As my wife and I were walking through the mall last night, I wanted to check in to the nearest bookstore to browse the web development books and possibly some car magazines. On the first magazine rack, what do I see? A magazine with a '02 SS Camaro VS. a '03 Cobra. I thought to myself hmmm....this doesn't seem right...normally they put cars up against each other that are the same year. Then it goes to say something along the lines of "The last ponycar shootout...who will win?" I was like WHAT??? Shouldn't that be vs. a '02 Cobra? Sure enough, I check the name of the magazine...it's our friends over at Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Magazine. They also "forgot" to mention it was a '02 SS by saying "The all new '03 Cobra Vs. the SS Camaro". HA!!!! They couldn't beat the SS in the same year, so they had to wait when the fbody was gone before they could win. Face it, Ford! You are racing a ghost! You lost and we won. By the way, even though they kept saying dumb things about the SS all the way through the article, they still went ahead and said the Cobra ran a 12.8 @ 108 (I think?) and the SS ran a 13.2 @ 107 (I think?). Either way, it was only a 4/10ths second and 1 mph difference. And to think Ford needed to put on a supercharger on their top performer to get to this!

 

I read that mag at work last nite. Seems a little unfair to me, but either way, both cars seem to be awesome. The mag got a 12.70 out of the Cobra and a 13.23 out of the SS. They said the times could have been better but they were facing head winds of 25mph.

 

Evan Smoth was the driver, he's also the same guy that does the driving for GM high performance. This guy gets cars to run what nobody else can. He's the guy who ran a 12.9 in an Z/28 while testing it against a bullitt. MM&FF reported the time and had nothing bad to say about the car in either article.

The '02 vs '03 thing doesn't get to me. The '03 CObra is technically a mid '02 car...but labelled an '03.

I thought they could have gotten better times out of both cars.

Can't wait til they start modding a '03 CObra (which they hinted they would be soon)

 

Well, 4 valves per cylinder doesn't really make up for a full liter less displacement, I guess. Unless you strap a blower on it!

I don't think Ford had much choice, if they wanted to seriously compete for Horsepower versus the LS-1. That motor is so good right out of the box it's scary- pushrods and all.

Remember the 80s when 5.0 Mustangs would regularly stomp IROCs and T/As? I guess Ford got sick of having FBodies kicking sand in the face of the Mustang for the next full decade.

 

So basically Ford wins, because the Camaro is gone. The 03 Mustang verse the 03 Camaro, who would win. The fact that there was no 02 Mustang Cobra means the 03 verse 02 is fair. If you look at the dunos you will see. 317 for the GM, and 381 for the Stang, wow what a difference!!! But for 35,000, the closest thing is a C5 which is slower, only seats two, and still costs 5,000 more! So for all the making fun of the car it is one of the best bang for bucks on the market today with all the 2003 models, not the discontinued 2002s!

 

As I've said previously:

 

I think we all win because racing is fun.

 

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

 

Mustangs ****en suck and so do ricers, I will take any POS MOUSESTANG ON IN MY 92 Z28

 

Any day of the week that you want to line 'em up for an *** whooping, just let me know :nono:

 

I'll run ya, Nic!

 

LMMFAO!!! Why would I even waste my time on a ****en Rustang? THIS IS A CAMARO BOARD, ***

 

Wow, I sense a lot hate here. I think we oughta ease off Nic, 5.0, and 5L5. They don't post flames, even when provoked (hmm, where have they been provoked), and they give us valuble information about Mustangs, which is one of the cars we run against all the time. That makes them cool in my book, why should there only be Camaros on this board? Why do we need to exclude everyone else? I know we've had this argument in other posts, but I'm chipping in my .02. They didn't say anything to hurt anyone else, leave 'em alone.

 

You're right...it would be a waste of time for us to run. We already know what the outcome would be anyway :nono:

 

Hmmm...I'm not sure how a mustang would ever beat an IROC that is a second faster

 

I know Nic's LX would beat my Iroc, that's why if I run against him, he's connecting a tow rope to my car first.

 

HHHMMMM

 

In 02 the Camaro was faster, there was no plans to make the car any faster than it had to be to be faster than M*****gs of the same model year which is a reason why they stayed with the same engine and nearly the same HP and TQ instead of going all out for the Anniversary. (besides them not wanting to spend more money or do more work on the this Gen) The other car is an 03 and thats all there is to it, it just came out, there shouldn't have been a comparison.

 

I am glad they did the comparison, it shows how slow the new cobra really is.

Cobra = 106 mph
Camaro= 106 mph

Supercharger+Heat = Slow

The N/A old pushrod camaro pulls damn near *** hard as the mustang with all the fancy crap and a supercharger on it. What a beater.


nick

 

Cmon now, we're all domestic lovers here... can't we get along?

We must eliminate the import threat...
the Honda Insight is running 18.1 @ 75 in the 1/4.


Man, I've gotta lay off the caffeine.

 

I hate ricers a helluva lot more then Mustangs, Especially the ones where their mommy and daddy buy them their cars.
Nick I'm sorry dude, In my mind, Camaro's are the best, I

 

You forgot to mention that the C5 will out handle the Mustang any day of the week and has a lot of standard options that the Mustang doesn't. That's why it costs $5k more.

 

I am a camaro owner, but an american v8 is an american v8.
Ultimately, that's what we are all about, I hope....I know that describes me, I've owned ford, chevy(and GM),and currently own a 97 dodge truck. I just love the sound of american v8's
Rudy

 

What standard options.

IRS, both standard.
Leather, both standard.
CD, both standard.
6-speed, both standard.

You give me a list of standard options and we will see.

I know the Vette outhandles it but the Mustang out handles the Camaro and seats 4 unlike the Vette. The insurance is less, but the appeal of the Vette is higher. I think bang for buck, you can't beat the Cobra, supercharger or not.

 

Geez people, I own a Camaro and Stang now, get over it, they're both great cars in their own ways.

 

Yeah I think people need to stop whinning like b**ches about whos better or not. Just cause you have a brand loyalty doesn't mean you should hate all others. I love Chevy but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate a nice Mustang when I see one. Now ricers thats a different story

 

SVT Cobra standard equip:
leather-wrapped steering wheel; Composite hood and trunk; leather boots for the shift and parking brake levers; tilt steering wheel; power windows, mirrors, door locks and trunk release; the SecuriLock passive anti-theft system; remote keyless entry; speed (cruise) control; and a MACH 460 audio system with AM/FM stereo and an in-dash, six-disc CD player; and 8 way driver/4 way pass. power leather seats, air conditioning, traction control, stainless steel exhaust, fog lamps, cup holders, floor mats, variable speed wipers, 16city 25hwy

Corvette standard equip:
Active handling system, Composite body, Traction control, Dual electric remote-control heated sport mirrors, Air conditioning, Floor mats, Rear-window defogger, Cruise control, Low tire pressure warning system, cup holders, variable speed wipers, Active Remote Keyless Entry System, PASS-Key theft-deterrent system with horn alarm, Power door locks , stainless steel exhaust, 6 way power seats, 19 city, 28 hwy

They're very close, I did miss a few standard equipment options for the Vette. The Corvette does only have a few things over the Cobra in standard equip.

The reason the Vette has two seats is because it's a 'sports car'. The reason the Mustang has 4 is because it's a 'pony car'. They're not even in the same category. Now if Ford actually made a SVT Thunderbird.....

They're both definitely easy on your wallet when it comes to performance. I am definitely amazed that Ford could pull off such a low sticker price.

 

I agree. All muscle cars are great in their respective classes. And this is a THIRD GEN F-BODY Board, not just a Camaro, or just a Firebird/Trans Am board. Let's all appreciate the domestics and not hate the foreigners. Even though their mommies DO buy their cars for them, and just because they have fart mufflers doesn't make them fast! I have a stock! 305 TBI and I beat some ricers. And my car is slow!....well for me.....for the time being. I appreciate any American car that is well maintained and/or fast! Anyway, that's just me........anyone else???

Thanks for lettin' me ramble.......

 

I won't talking about you...

 

hey to all u mustang guys backin the new cobra... no one else saw it with there own eyes... if u read the article they did there sh%t down in my back yard.... i saw both cars...... the camaro did as well as the camaro and the cobra has a lot more done to it already.... IRS, SC, Bigger brakes... so ford basicly found the only way to beat on the camaro... by kicking it when it was down..... hell if the camaro was still in production..... all us GM guys know the f-bodies would be upgraded to come and kick that heavy POS... hell u could strap on a SC a ls1... and then lets take it to the track.... I read that stupid article in MM&FF... I got so mad at that stupid mag..... they were like.."it took $10,000 to take the z/28 to the 35th SS model..." yea well it took 15,000 to take a GT to a Cobra....

 

Man enough with the us vs. the Stangs. Everytime someone post an article with a Mustang in it flame wars start. Mustangs are just another domestic performance car out there. The cars I don't like are imports. The way things are going now of days we need as many domestic performance vehicles as possible. Stop bickering among the ranks and face the real enemy Camaros are fast Mustangs are fast and there is always going to be a faster one on each side.

 

Truer words have never been spoken!

 

*sighs*..... why are there SOOo many closeminded f-body owners? Yea I share your pain about the discontinuation, but ya gotta learn to open your mind outside your thirdgen. Take Women for instance. Would you (if given the chance) only fuc women of your nationality?! If you answer yes, you are missing out... examples: Kim Cattrel, Hale Berry, Anna Kornikova, Salma hayek, Alyssa Milano, Tayra Banks, Lucy Lui, Tera Patrick, etc.etc. See what I mean? OPEN YOUR MIND!!! So what if their car doesnt have a bowtie or bird on their cars? I bet that the ppl who mod their own cars have busted knuckles/grease in the fingernails/swear at their cars JUST LIKE YOU!!! er US!!!
I like this phrase I saw...."Bring what'cha want..just make sure you bring enough!!" As for mustangs, IMO, I like the foxbody cobra (black) the best.

 

lol...I think this is hilarious!!! I only started this thread because of how rediculous it was for MM & FF to post such trash.... "The last showdown: 2003 Cobra VS 2002 SS" ????? This is BS and everyone knows it. If they wanted a "last showdown", they should have matched it year for year. Guess why they didn't...because the SS would have S L A U G H T E R E D the Cobra. But you know something? Maybe you are right...maybe it is okay for the 03' Cobra to take on the '02 SS. I mean, afterall it is only a supercharger they bolted on (mainly) to make the '03 Cobra different from the '02 Cobra, right? If that is the case, why don't we go ahead and slap on a 'charger on the '02 SS? OOOOHHHHhhh...that's right! I remember why they don't....because the SS would run close to a second faster that the Cobra. I'm not trying to rip on any mustang owners out there - one of my best friends owns an older Cobra and I love it. I just hate seeing these stupid ford publications that print misleading crap like this. I went over to my wife's folks house and saw a mustang magazine over there and they were saying something along the lines of "with the mustang being the dominant muscle car of the 80's and 90's...." I was like WHAAA???? You be the judge on that one!

 

The mustang certaintly does not out handle the camaro, not even the cobra does. Did you read MM&FF's article?
the cobra beat the camaro by a whopping 3 tenths in laptimes despite camaros 60hp disadvantage!
camaros have always handled just as well, often better than the cobra.

the best 1/4mile times for both cars netted them the same mph, which I found odd. the cobra did pull a 109 earlier though.

I don't understand what the big fuss is about, it's common sense that magazines and everyone else would want to bench race the last the camaros against ford's new monster cobra. Get a life ppl!!

Even the ford magazine said the SS is an awesome car.
just because the cobra has a blower and 60more hp does not mean the camaro is trash.

At least ford didn't wuss out and make the mustang a V6 only sport compact...

 

Hehe.

 

89iroczz4, the motor is NOT the Cobra motor with a supercharger bolted on. The block is different, the internals are different along with many other factors. They did not take a Cobra motor with 320hp and bolt on a blower. They took a motor with probably 200 something hp and bolted on a blower. If GM put a blower on a Camaro it would destroy the car in 30,000 miles, because the motor was not built for boost. You better believe GM would redo the LS1 to take the blower, and it would not start off at 325 hp, it would be very detuned!

 

Actually if you put a blower on a regular camaro engine it would not blow it in 30,000. There are plenty of people running around with supercherged camaros with plenty of miles. It all depnds on how much boost you are pushing.

 

This may be true, but what are the chances on GM providing a warranty on that setup?

Mark A Shields - Did you polish your wheels recently?

 

From what I read, they did take the Cobra motor, used dished pistons and Manley H-beam connecting rods. I'm sure the Cobra motor could take the 8lbs.

 

I polished them around March/April. Just got new center caps for them.

But I did just lose a louver going down the road, so I took the other off, need to get new ones, they're $90 though.

 

It has a different block, Manley H-beam rods, and ARP fasteners. It has dished forged pistons like the Lightning, and a 90mm Mass air meter. All of these are not found on the regular Cobra. Also not on the Cobra is the 8.5 compression ratio. The cams are regrounf, and the heads have been changed a little, and the intake is obviousley different. The car has a curb weight of over 3700 lbs. If you factored all these things into an LS1 you would be surprised by the outcome.

If you put a supercharger on an LS1, GM would not give you a 3year/36,000 mile warrenty, you better believe that.

 

Weelllll, as for the supercharged LS1, check out the latest GMHTP and you will see the yellow vette with a supercharger, stock block, crank, pistons, cam, and heads. It is a Lingerfelter design that comes with a 3 YEAR 30,000 mile warranty. F.Y.I it ran a 11.56 at 127. 490 horses!

 

look at the pic that mark posted holy crap, i dont know which car is faster......but i know one thing for sure his camaro looks hella better than that mustang!!!! HELLA BETTER!!!! hands down Nuff Said

 

The IROC would destroy my 4 cyl 5spd, but if it were a distance race on 1 tank of gas no contest. I've gotten 220 miles on a 1/2 tank in the Stang, 180 miles to a whole tank in the IROC.

 

 

And for $35,000

NOPE!!!

 

I own both wanna go fast there is no better than a mustang.
Wanna take a corner then go for the bird. Want reliability mustang wins out there.
cheap parts, parts availability again mustang. pic up any catolog and see for yourself. Can you say youve owned both? not just driven there is a difference i currently own both. I can says i like the looks of the bird better and will be trading my 92 in for a newer one. As for the cobra if i had the 38,500. i'd by one my boss did and it runs like no other. and it it can take a bend due to the irs. stop to thanks to the 13" bair front brakes. Wanna race?

 

I didn't see anything about price in this quote that I was responding to. Besides that, who cares which is better, in a few years they will be just like our thirdgens and fox bodies. Something new will come along and make these seem like slugs.

 

then you made this reply

then there are these


92Z huh, then why would you drive your moms van if your big bad 2.8 breaks down


you hate mustangs and think they arent **** for racing but then the new aerostar is an asskicker lol