robertg

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1873827686

Ok, if someone buys this car, take it home, runs it enough to keep everything lubricated, and such..... in 10 years, where do you see the monetary value of this car?

Willie

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Speculating on a car's future value is.... speculating. No one knows what any collectible will be worth in the future. If we did, we'd all invest in the stock market, right? The only way to determine worth is to look at the market to see what a similar vehicle (in this case) sold for in the recent past. But as a baseline, NADA is well respected in terms of valuing a collectible. You can use their figure and adjust for super low mileage cars.

I saw the car at the Super Chevy Show in Tucson On 11-17-02. It's a very original car with all documentation. He took second place in the 1982-1992 Camaro stock class. What I don't understand is Doug, the owner, just bought the car in California. I can only speculate that he bought it for dirt cheap and wants to turn it around to make a healthy profit. Why else would one sell an all-original, super low mileage 1LE? Hopefully, he sees this post and explains why he's selling...

Here's a pic I took of it>>>

MdFormula350

very nice!!!

Benny

Buy it now!!! $24,000!!! WOW thats a lot of money, but it isn't everyday you see a 1LE with only 4000+ miles. Lots of owners now think there 3rd gen is worth a lot of money since the demise of the Camaro, there was a '92 RS over here , nothing special, 305 TBI, clean but the guy is asking $8000!!!!, and he just might get it. I have never seen a car like that in person, must have been awesome, very nice. Willie, how did that car look in person.

robertg

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yeah, i wasn't too sure on that willie, just wanted to see if there were any idea.

think he'll get 24k out of it?

Willie

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In all honesty, I don't know how much it will sell for. If I were to buy it, I would research low mileage 1LE's that have changed hands in the last six months to see what the market is for these cars. I cannot speculate without research. The classic car market does fluctuate and just because it's worth, say 20k today does not mean it will be worth as much, say one year from now. As they say, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

It's basically in new car condition. It still has the original Goodyear Gatorbacks too. If you compare its condition to my '87 Z convertible, my car is in better shape. I don't say this to degrade the 1LE. I say this because my car has been restored (although only slightly). Any restored car that is of show quality will be in much better condition than a "new" factory car. Would I trade my car for this one. The answer is simple. No way. In fact, I would not trade mine for a new Z06. It's all about supply and demand. I was offered 30k for my convertible last year and turned it down.

Willie

robertg

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that's amazing.

part of why i want to start grabbing cars when i'm in a better financial position. lock them in the barn, and work on them one by one.

i don't see myself paying $24 k for that car, maybe in a few years when i'm older.

BikertrashDude

very nice car
but $24K would he get it, yea maybe...a collector with a lot of money.
it's a "perfect"original car, and a rare one too.
I would pay that amount of money, if I was making say high 6 figures.
biker

robertg

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yeah, exactly.

when i'm older, have a house that's paid off, and whatnot, i'll consider spending the cash for something like that.

Benny

If you look hard enough I bet you can find one for a lot less, he sure as hell didn't spend 24K on it, he probable got it for 14K or something and trying to make a quick 10K on it, can't blame him for trying I guess. I would rather buy one like I did and not be afraid to drive it. I want to drive and show my car it ain't a Picasso.

92GTA

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VERY nice. Not worth more than $18K IMO though in today's market. Maybe in the future, nut not today.

Kandied91z

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nice radio in there...............

BlueByU

The car still has the radio. So the radio delete means it only gets "AM" and has no rear speakers or what?

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/dougbj...c=bc%26.view=t

Kandied91z

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no real 1-le's had no radio......just a plate in is's place.

it was either installed by the dealer......or the owner did it. either way it shouldn't be there.

92GTA

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Just to let you know, some Firebird 1LE's did come with radios, A/C, and power accessories from the factory. I'd think that Camaro's could be had this way since it wouldn't make sense that just Firebird could be gotten that way....

Benny

Depending on your dealer they could have installed A/C and radios in 1LE cars if the customer so desired, I saw a 1LE with the dealer installed A/C and it looked like a real hack job. But the factory would only ship them with A/C and radio delete and left it up to the dealer. This goes for Camaros, I do not know about Firebirds.

Kandied91z

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well as it's been established through out america any car can have anything from the dealer. gm doesn't recognize it as an original gm product and typically doesn't back these options

so if it's a 1-le and it has a radio it isn't meant to. what the dealers do is up to their discretion and the reason there are so many mysterious optioned vehicles throughout the world.

92GTA

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You are maybe correct with Camaro's but NOT Firebirds. Some Firebird 1LE's DID get a radio and A/C "Factory" straight from the GM assembly line installed by the men and women at the GM plant in Van Nuys. I have build sheets to prove it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start an argument, I just want to make sure to clarify to your remark so that people know that it does not apply to the Firebird.....

Kandied91z

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very understandable.........i just didn't throw that tadbit in since the title of the thread and overall subject was a Z28.

92GTA

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No problem, that is also very understandable

Later....

92 heritage z28

looks like first bidder was a non bidder, now up for auction again!better buy it now!

Joel

Short of including A/C or being a convertible, Z/28 1LE’s could be ordered with almost any option. I ordered my 1992 1LE with the standard AM/FM radio, upgraded interior and the heritage appearance package. I was there when it came off the transporter, and the radio was factory installed. The dealer really didn’t even know what I was ordering, he just started with base code FZAB and kept including the options I requested. The only real requirement was to order G92 without C60 A/C.

nicksL98

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joel is correct. I have seen, firsthand, a 6K mile original 92 Z28 1LE with heritage package, black /red stipes,blk/gry int w/ hiback buckets, LB9/5spd, AND am/fm radio. VERY nice car.

I'll post pictures if you dont believe me on this one either Kandied91Z (remebers you in the "other" heritage debate)

Kandied91z

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i'm not going to try to get into it with any of you as i know that things can be produced and pictures don't do a single thing justice.

GM from the factory (not the dealer) meant for an 1-le z28 to be a bare bones stripped vehicle with only the necessary parts for performance. if you opted for all the others then that's great. it's a z28 with out ac and the few other upgrades.

so many options are mixed up throughout the bunch who's to say what is and isn't. if the heads of the division say it wasn't meant to have a radio then so be it. more power to you to have one.

Willie

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I talked to the owner in person last week. And yes, he is selling to make a quick profit. I did not ask what he paid for it. Apparently, he's done this with other "collectibles" in the past to make a tidy sum.

Reading about this stereo "topic" reminds me of a 1988 1LE that was for sale a while back. FYI, only FOUR were produced. I have a copy of the build sheet for this car and it shows fog lamps!! Being the absolute first 1LE's produced, maybe this one slipped by with fog lamps without anyone noticing??? I don't know for sure.

Willie

nicksL98

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You say this red car pictured or the black one i saw is not a real 1LE since it has a radio?

Just like the heads of the division say t-tops werent meant for L98 equipped Formulas and TA's in 91-92, even though there a numerous examples out there, 13 of them in my sightings.

and dont use Scott Settlemier(sp) as a credited source. He came on the team in 1996 ( 4 yrs after the last thirdgen was made) and couldnt give you even HALF as much details about thirdgen history as some of the reputable people on here like Willie or Drew.

any way you cut it the car IS a 1LE.

Matt_91RSTPI

Anyone know if you could get a '91 1LE with the single-piston front brakes and aluminum rear drums?

I thought all 1LE's and '92 B4C's came with the 12" rotor, 2-piston PBR front brakes and single-piston aluminum PBR rear.

However, a guy brought out his black '91Z to a meeting for a club I belong to and said it was a 1LE. I didn't get a chance to check the options sticker, but it had no power options, no A/C, 305, 5-speed, hardtop, but standard front brakes and aluminum rear drums. He also has an aftermarket CD player installed.

-Matt

Kandied91z

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why didn't you read my replies before trying to fly off the handle?

never has it ever been said that pontiacs couldn't or shouldn't have t-tops with the L98. it was a chevy decision, why is the topic always brought up?

as far as what you have to say about scott, that's your own deal. believe what you like; i like to refer to him simply because he is up there and i have had many run in occasions with him verifying info on these cars that most haven't been able to do.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the 1-le option was to include deleted a/c, radio, foglights, etc. while adding a few other strictly performance touches.

if someone wanted to add a radio.......which has happened (read some of my replies before jumping the gun) then more power to them. personally i think the 1-le option is over rated for this reason. to many options that weren't suppose to be allowed were allowed making a 1-le basically a z28 with a few things added here and there.

if you want to get upset over it go for it; you sure seem to enjoy quoting me.

Benny

Matt91RSTPI: I believe the only way the 1LE came was with what you mentioned. This guy you are talking about sounds like he has a 1LE but the brake picture doesn't jive unless a previous owner got rid of the front 12" rotors and dual piston calibers (WHY!!) All 1LE cars came with the bigger brakes in front and the standard 12" (89-92) style in the rear. I own a 1992 B4C/1LE and it came with all that, some late 1991's have it also.

nicksL98

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Matt- i would say the guys car is not a 1LE. the biggest part of 1LE is the PBR front brakes. I thought i got lucky when i stubled across a car similar to the one you described. I called the lady and she told me it was a white 91 Z28, 305 tpi/5 spd, hardtop, no power or A/c. i was all giddy until i went to look at it and didnt see dual cats, 4 whl disc(or 1LE) and it did have a/c but it was aftermarket with a Sanden compressor. Figures.

B4C cars got the big disc brakes standard starting in late 91 model run and all 1992 B4C's had them.

Kandied:lala:

92 heritage z28

i emailed the dude, asking for a pic of rpo codes showing 1le, and have not heard back, so debate still stands, one, chevy could and would build anything anyone with money wanted, and second alot of weird things have happened with the camaros . first, second, third, or fourth gen, whatever.
no need to fuel the fire, just another part of the mystery that makes chevy, camaro, and the legacy of 1le, an interesting issue to document!

Matt_91RSTPI

Thanks nick and Benny, that's pretty much what I thought. If the guy brings it out again I'll have a look at the RPO sticker.

-Matt

RedFirebird

Thats a pretty penny for a '91 Z28. With that money i could probably find a ZR1. And those cars are usually low mileage by default. Which would you rather own? Seriously, i can't see spending that kind of money on that car. Sure, the 1le package was a performance package but i mean the only real thing you got out of it was the big front brakes, as you could get the rest of that stuff with a regular z28. Other than that, the 1le was pretty much in the same boat performace-wise with the high-end non-1le models. This isn't a ZL1 or something folks. The 1Le package is rare, but they didn't seperate themselves from the, so to speak. And thirdgens are far from classics, most of them don't command that much money. There are a lot of rare option packages, but there comes a point where i'm looking function rather than collectibility. That car does have low miles, but i still think thats too much. I know i'll get flamed but thats just my opinion.

Scania

Too bad its fro sale over there , too much trouble getting it home to me otherwise i would buy it.

Willie

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I received the following e-mail from Nick Seybold. I decided to reprint it here because it has valuable information:

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I saw your info on the lo mile 1LE car on TGO. ....a similar one was sold out of the Harrah's casino collection last October at Hershey, Pennsylvania. All I remember was it was red, LB9 / 5-spd and had around THREE HUNDRED MILES. It sold for $13,250.
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Jason E

Now THAT was a deal...

As for the value of 1LEs, there is no doubt they carry a hefty value and pricetag for those willing to pay for them.

But Willie brings up a key point...a car is only worth what a person is willing to pay for it. Personally, if 2 like model, like year third gens were sitting next to each other, with the same mileage, I would be far happier with the loaded IROC or Z with t-tops, PW, PL, all the toys, then I would the 1LE. 1LEs have a very unique history, and definitely hold a more special place in the Camaro history than a run-of-the-mill, loaded IROC...

But I personally wouldn't pay any more for it. When I do buy my next third gen, its going to be a super low mileage original that I will drive 2-3k miles a year, and enjoy. For these purposes, for me, a loaded IROC is more valuable than a 1LE because I will enjoy it more. I like goodies, and I like a car representative of what was popular in its heyday. And there are far more loaded cars than stripped ones...and for me, the creature comforts are just part of the fun!!

To each their own...but to me, the car is worth not a dime over $16k...

philoldsmobile

Just to update, the car sold for $20 000.

Thirdgen prices are definatly on the rise, as they are over here as well.

I payed £2000 - $3000 for my 86 s/c in sept 2001.

The same dealer i bought it from offerd me £2500 - $3750 in the middle of this year, just to get it on his lot (i turned it down)

Educated estimates from a friend of mine who worked for an American car dealer in london for 6 years, is around £3250 - £3500 - $4875 - $5250

to gain $2250 in 1 year while putting 16 000 miles on the car (now 106 000) isn't bad!



(working on a rough conversion of $1.50 per £)