84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

i was on ebay and i noticed that someone was selling instructions on how to make your door open up instead of out.. anyone konw of a website that can tell me how to do this?

85SportCoupeto89RS

I dont want to imagine how much fabrication it would take to get the doors to work like that.

Kj Rockz

That really not very possible in our cars.

At least, not for some major money.



Are doors are way tooo heavy....

91ZLS1

Correct me if i am wrong, but it would cost about 7000-12000 dollars to have this done, and A LOT OF FAB work. I have looked into this for over a year and it can't be done without major work and hella money and i have money to spend but this was out of my league. I am in no means bragging about money, just informing you on this subject. If you do find a way or some how directions, lemme know ASAP. I called numerous places and they offer the "Gull Wing" style door(like lambo) for the 4th gens but not ours. Our doors are too straight up and down towards the rear of the door, lambo's are slanted from the top of door towards the front of the car to the bottom, if you understand what i mean. In order for it to work on our cars, the door has to come out about 8inches and then up otherwise the door will hit the car. I am trying to explain this the best way i can without pictures. You would also need a swivel bar that runs from door to door and it would cross your feet. Our doors also weigh quite a bit. I could go on and on about the FLAWS but I will just enlighten you with the basics. If someone has done this, then that is quite an accomplishment, and I give them TONS of credit:hail: . thanks
Kyle

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

why are our doors so heavy anyways?? just cause they are so long or what? maybe ill just make my own door. outta fiberglass or something.

85SportCoupeto89RS

Its way to hard to do to a thirdgen. Thirdgen doors compared to other 80's doors are lighter but still too heavy to go gull style. Think what would happen if you were t boned with the gull doors and if they were fiber glass? Your chances fo survival is minimal in that instance. Fabing up a new frame for the door is nessacary and will need to be strong enough to support the whole door and not warp and add too much weight. You will need to have at least two door strickers and latches, then you will need to make a hinge that can withstand the strains this will have on body flex, wear and tear. How and where to mount the brackets for the hinge, I highly doubt the roof of a 3rd gen can handle this without warping something. So in retrospect it would be eaiser and safer to keep your car as it is.

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

maybe ill just take the damn door off.

theSteve

i dont really think the weight is a problem.

k1styling's evo2 kit has doors that swing up and out.. the outer panels are different, but i'm pretty sure the door itself isn't modified. from the pictures i've seen, theres 2 small struts at the bottom that guide them up and out.

the problem lies in the up&out hinge. its complicated, and k1styling wont let anyone near it.

plus theres a small sliding panel (that moves with the door) over the hinge that kinda overlaps the fender piece.. looks kinda like crap if you really look at it.

but i'm still gonna do it eventually.

FyreLance

Yeah, unfortunately the creators of that EVO kit aren't willing to release just what is needed to convert the doors...it's all or nothing.

bubbakutz

haha, cool a thirdgen jeep

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

that would look weird having no doors and the t tops off. or having the roof down if you own a convertible.

92Transam

The K1 doors that go up like that are not the stock doors i asked them once about it, a long long time ago.

omnipotentgoku

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Weight is not an issue, their are plenty of pneumatic lifts that can lift 400 pounds or more. Not only that, found a guy locally who claims he can do it for about 1200. Im not holding my breath on it, but shiyet, im willing to give it a try. One question though.. what ferrari every had scissor doors ???? (referring to the title)

92Transam

Im pretty sure he means Lambo ( I hope lol)

theSteve

this mod is just like any other mod. its possible. if someone really wants to do it, they will.

3rdGenBlackBird

I'm not sure why everyone is saying it's so hard. To me, the only problem would be it taking up space. Depending on how you mount the actuators or hydraulics you'd have to give up room either right in front of your face or right in front of your feet, as well as right behind the seats and you wouldn't be able to put your seat very far back. (Although, the first part isn't needed if you lighten up the door a lot.) You'd definately have to give up your backseat. But maybe some of you are thinking about completely different ways of doing this than I am. (I've never actually seen how the lambo doors work, or even seen them work.)

Weight and door position aren't problems at all. I'd say parking (or, getting in and out) in a garage would be much more of a problem than the stuff you guys are mentioning. I'd guess that you could set this up pretty well for under $2000. (Probably even less than $1000.)

91ZLS1

In order for something like this to work, the door would have to come out about 8in first and then up due to the style of our door and our window setup. I've looked into this for over a year.
Here is a pic explaning why it won't work just lifting the door up. The green illustrates the problem area's, and the red is where the door would have to be seamed to open at. Unless of course you push the door out 8in first. Second, room is a factor, your going to have to put a swiveling rod that runs from your door past your feet through the center council. This is going to push and rotate the door out and up, now second, you need to refab the latch system for the door to open and close along with the opeing latch. Third, you'll need ONE hell of a ram to lift the door open, and it would have to be balanced enough to be able to shut the door easily as well as open. Fourth, the door is going to have to be beefed up to hold the pressure from the ram without warping or bending/breaking the door. Yes, i would say it can be done, BUT it will cost a PRETTY PENNY, 2000, isn't going to get you anyware. I'll also attach an image of a mustang guy that did it and it cost him 12,000 for the custom setup, his door pops out 8in and then up also. He also did it himself to save labor. I hope this helps in your decision. I am no means trying to fignt, just laying some fact for you to think about.

91ZLS1

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Jim85IROC

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I never really had much of a problem with doors that operated in a conventional manner.

91ZLS1

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iansane

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^^^Gotta love daddies money...

I'd have to see the end result but I bet it'd look pretty killer on a vert like that cobra. That's alotta money however.

bubbakutz

if my doors opened like that i would probably walk into it or hit my head on it.....

theSteve

of course theres no problem with it.

theres also no problem with plain-color paint jobs, but people use pearl and candy to make it look flashier.

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

ferrari lambo, same **** different pile. you know what i meant


well i thought this would be something i could do myself but i guess not. thanks for the info. mayb eill just take my door off and put those race car net things that nascar uses in the window

omnipotentgoku

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The doors on that stang are on boxes that extend out almost a foot before the door begins to lift. before th

92Transam

That mustang was a 5,000 dollar job
all electric, first the doors pop out then swing up.

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

well maybe i won the lottery and im going to build a camaro to top all camaros on EARTH!

92Transam

Here is a photoshop I had done for me, and I found a place that sells a hindge kit for 648 bucks that will allow you to do this to your car.

92Transam

The kit on a fiero

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

can you get a pic of the type of hinge they have on that fiero?

92Transam

and

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

also, why would anyone do that to a fiero?

92Transam

last one, they sell you the hindges and struts and you have to either install it your self or at a shop and its going to be custom work the hindges and everything need to be cut and fited to your car.

92Transam

here is the kit

92Transam

and

91ZLS1

Just to clarify things----

trans_am_ta_84

ok.. kinda lame question.. but.. how would you get out of something like this

bubbakutz

haha, like i said before up there

91ZLS1

That was straight out of the magazine "MUSCLE MUSTANGS AND FAST FORDS" here is the one of the page articles. The guy owns this fab..company himself and hit cost him 10,000 to do this through his own company. That just shows you how much this could cost. If those hinges work from that feiro, that would be awesome and please post some pics as i would like to see the setup also. 5000 or 12000, is still a lot of money either way. I hope this helps, thanks.

91ZLS1

I prob..should show the article page, sorry.

theSteve

found a pic to back my earlier post up. here ya go

JimmyG-91Z

This Ferrari does

And unless you could get the doors to swing up and out like this Ferrari Enzo here, and the other cars that come with swing up doors I think it looks kinda dumb and cheap, like that mustang, dumb and cheap

Jim85IROC

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That's true, but if pearl and candy cost as much as those doors, and added all of that unnecessary weight, I wouldn't use it. I realize that everybody has a different opinion of what's cool, or what's "cutting edge", but I guess I just don't like the theatrics associated with such a goofy setup. Pearls and candys can make a big statement without all of the showmanship associated with something like those doors, or a giant spoiler, or aftermarket ground effects, or full-size decals, or neon, etc. Although it's real easy to go overboard with pearl and candy too.

But hey... that's why I drive a Camaro and not a Lamborghini. No, wait, that was because the lamborghini is $200k.

Jekyll & Hyde

It won't cost much to do.

www.k1-styling.sk/

Look at the evolution II kit. That is an 82-92 f-body that has the doors just like that. They come out a little bit more, but you get the idea. Look at the pictures in their site too.

I think that I am going to purchase the other car that they make...the ATTACK!!!

92Transam

yes but his job was 5,000 I know Ive seen his site, I don't have it bookmarked anymore but it was 5 for him and if you want the job its about 5,000 to 10,000 depending on what kind of car you want it done to.

jawzforlife1

So is anybody accually going to do this if it cost $5,000 - $10,000. Or are you all just living in a dream world.

92Transam

Its less if you do the work your self. With that hindge kit for 648 I could get someone to help me fab it up for cheap.

Dirty Rob

I had a Toyota with gull-wing doors. It was cool at the dealership. It should have stayed there. Nothing like getting hit in the head by your door when youve got an armload of groceries. Not worth it at all in my opinion.

3rdGenBlackBird

I was thinking of a different thing I guess. I was thinking of gull wing doors. (Or not, I guess I don't know what each of those door setups are called.)

I happened to see something on mtv yesterday about stars and their cars, and of course, each person had a lambo so I realized I was thinking of the wrong setup. (Also, I hate those rappers that call their damn cars "whips.")

Now I understand the whole thing about the doors moving outwards 8" or whatever before lifting. I still don't see how this could possibly cost 10 grand though. (Doing it yourself, that is.)

I still think it could be done for around 2,000 (more with those brackets) and a LOT of planning. And that way would take up a lot of space up front, but I guess none in the back seat. Also, the doors would almost certainly have to be lightened. I'd think that 5,000 would be the most it would cost if you did this yourself.

84Z28_5.7ltr_V8

i think im living a dream world, until i find a camaro at a junk yard, buy it, and try different things on that door. not my own.