Vicious 88 GTA

I was at a light and I see this Black Mustang GT pull up next to me, it is a 5.0 with exhaust...He revs and I see all this dust come from underneath it and I thought, whoop t do, he has Flowmaster mufflers with dumps.....So I power brake a little and then let the brake go, come to a stop.when I let off the gas too and then drop it into 3rd (D) and getting ready for the light and I notice his was automatic, one because when he reved he moved his arm forwrd and two, because it was horribly slow off the line....light changed and he got about 1/2 a car on me at the start because I feathered the throttle and then I mashed it and burnt the tires past him and hit second and kept pulling...well I look in my mirror real quick and he turned off! I got the next light and he got behind me to turn left and I took the turn slow enough for him to get next to me and he didn't even try anything!! So I guess that is a withdrawl win for me....AARON

25THRSS

why would being slow off the line mean he was automatic? An automatic car will outlaunch a manual majority of the time

383backinblack

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"houston we have identified possible ignornace, and are coming in for a closer look, please advise"

pssssshhhhhtttt.

25THRSS

I'm not ignorant, its very true, all u have to do is put my 2000 automatic z28 up against another 6 speed ls1 car and i'll get him off the line every single time, automatics are soooooo much better off the line than a manual car. From a roll its a different story, but off the line i'll take an auto any time

383backinblack

dude, your insane....

no offense, but thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. apparently you dont spend alot of time at the track
the m6 z28s are considerably faster than the auto

ESPECIALLY off the line.

in general with almost all cars, a manual can outlaunch an auto anyday.

i launch my car at 6000rpm....you cant do that, unless you have a 6000rpm stall converter

of course this is all assuming the person in the stick car can drive....i will wreck pretty much anything automatic off the tree with my 5 speed. but i can drive. the only exception is something really fast with a high stall converter and a transbrake.....not real streetable equipment

25THRSS

lmao, holy crap, i thought u knew something about cars, u can "launch" ure car at 6 grand if thats what u call it, but all u'll do is spin, why dont u go over to ls1.com or ls1tech.com and read the top 100 fastest cars, every single one will be an auto, and also, where did u hear that the 6 speed cars were considerably faster than an auto????? uhhhhh thats just plain not true

25THRSS

seriously man, thats the most absurd thing ive heard in quite a long time, its a pretty well nown fact that for drag racing an auto is the way to go

383backinblack

no actually i dont have any wheelspin problems at all,

i make peak power at 6k so thats where we try to launch the car.

its equipped with south side machine lift bars to provide the needed traction, and hotchkis trailing arms and panhard rod. the rear is also equipped with a powertrax locker.

read my sig, we arent talking about a stock TBI 305 here buddy.

i heard that the 6 speed cars were faster by watching them win races at New england drag way my friend. dont believe everything you read on the internet.

they are lighter, and they dont have to use 30hp to drive the transmission.

someone please teach this kid something about cars

oh ya, launch is the proper term for that...welcome to the world of drag racing my friend.

wow

383backinblack

this is absolutely correct......

for a bracket racer, not a street car that sees track duty on the weekend.

Tom84L69

A stock new Z28 will be faster with a 6 speed than with an auto, that's just fact( assuming the 6 speed driver can shift right). Same for any factory car. Why would a Viper and Z06 only come with 6 speeds if autos were faster?

Another thing, first gear in a 5 or 6 speed car is usually a higher numerical gear ratio than a 4 speed auto. This will multiply torque more and cause faster acceleration when driven right. My first gear in my T5 is 2.95, what is a TH350 first gear?

25THRSS

i just went to ls1.com and counted out of the 100 top fastest ls1 cars on that board 81 were autos, and i dont have to believe everything i read on the internet, i have an auto ls1 that happens to run 12's with minimal mods and i know for a fact that i can outlaunch a 6 speed car. Get ure head out of ure *** and realize that just because you have a "big bad" 5 speed doesnt mean its better. like a said before autos are better for drag racing period, now for road racing stick is better, but i'm a drag racer and autos are better

25THRSS

huh, a 5 or 6 speed has a better first gear for acceleration? uhh an auto has a 3.08 first gear as compared to a 6 speed 2 . something

25THRSS

the zo6 was built as a road race car, thats why it has a 6 speed.

383backinblack

i would venture a guess that if you tried to outlaunch me with an auto youd be inserting your head in your ***, cause it would get ugly.

if you can drive a manual well, you will out launch a similarly prepared auto car ALL THE TIME.

we arent talking about pro stock here pal.

if you have a high stall converter and a transbrake then the playing field is more level. But with a car that has great traction and a manual your just out of luck

25THRSS

and i'm gonna venture that even with drag radials ude still spin at 6,000 rpm, what the hell, besides the fact that if u tried to do that in a stock rear end youd shatter that thing all to hell

383backinblack

In the case of street cars,

manual transmissions always have an advantage over autos that do not have a transbrake or a high stall converter,

without that equipment on an auto, it is IMPOSSIBLE to launch your car at a very high RPM, which leads to the best possible 60' times.

please explain to me how you can launch your automatic at your peak torque without a stall converter and a transbrake?

25THRSS

i dont launch my auto at peak torque, and i wouldnt want to either because my car is a daily driver and launching at peak torque would just make me spin, hell i have to feather her as it is now, and as far as streetability goes, how are drag slicks streetable?

383backinblack

jesus, can you people read? read the signature.

the rear is not stock, the tires did not spin......which eventually led to a broken axle. so now a 12 bolt is going in its place.

but the 10 bolt help up for quite some time. Heres the rear suspension setup responsible for that

Tom84L69

Do you read acceleration times in magazines? I'm not talking about modded drag cars, I'm talking about stock. They put a 6 speed in a Z06 because it accelerates better and because road racers need manuals. I don't consider LS1.com to be credible, those guys have too many mods for baseline numbers. Any drag racer who is serious about consistency will run an auto, I'll give you that.

Consistency and quickness are very different indeed.

25THRSS

383backinblack, why dont you go over to ls1.com or ls1tech.com and ask which is better and who can outlaunch who, auto or six speed, then this little discussion will be over

383backinblack

M/T ET streets arent too bad, but they arent great either.

its easy, you just take them off and put the other tires back on when your done racing, takes about 5 minutes.

Tom84L69

Good race anyway!!!!

25THRSS

but then when theyre off u cant launch at 6,000 rpm anymore, lmao

383backinblack

because this is a 3rd gen site to start with, my car is a 3rd gen,
and im not even talking about that,

im talking about cars in general not ls1's. my best friend drives a 98 SS m6 and he kicks the **** out of the auto cars up at the track. the stock m6 kills the auto. read the magazine tests. or just go to the track and see for yourself

and the guy that made the consistency comment, exactly and thats what bracket racing is all about

383backinblack

why would i want to?

i thought you were a drag racer, so you should know all about slicks, but you dont seem to like them very much

the first gear in my tremec is 3.27, 2nd is 1.98.

once i get the 12 bolt with the 4.10s i will actually launch the car in second gear to better my 60'

3.27 is too low and requires shifting before the 60' mark. gonna brake some drive shafts doing this though hehe

25THRSS

i'm not a bench racer, i have one and i dont get the **** kicked out of me by 6 speeds, seriously i dunno where u get ure info from, but ure friend is not stock, because stock for stock an auto versus a 6 speed will be very close, with the 6 speed coming out on top with a good driver, where u get beating the **** out of i have no clue, but once the mods start coming on i would much rather have an auto. 6 speeds are more efficient because there is less slippage in the drive train, but i can guarantee u that an auto is better off the line. from a roll a 6 speed has an advantage, but from a stop the auto has an advantage, whichever u value more go for, myself i value from a stop more

383backinblack

you have no advantage over someone with a good manual thats knows how to drive, cause you dont have a transbrake or a stall converter.

25THRSS

i dont have the money to keep replacing my rear end or my tranny either, thats another factor to consider, 6 speeds are brutal on the rear

25THRSS

lol, just another person who reads magazines and automatically assumes that whichever is faster in the magazine will always be faster, if u read what i said you would know i said once the mods come, right now i have K&N fipk, granatelli mass air flow sensor, PPC long tube headers with y pipe and high flow cats, borla exhaust with no plate, and hypertech power programmer which enables me to program my shift points as well, i run 12's, with a torque converter which comes next i am hoping for much better times and i'm sorry but i'll launch the **** out of a 6 speed, u cant argue that, as well as from a roll because i can be in my power band way before he can so get off ure high horse and come back to reality

Tom84L69

Now you have started a new argument, glad you agree that a stock 6 speed is faster than a stock auto... goodnight

25THRSS

the days of the manual transmission are over buddy, todays autos are much more efficient than ever before and like ive said all along can launch the **** out of most manuals

Tom84L69

buddy i have driven more different cars and had more experience to know that a stock stick is faster...i'm using mag times to prove a point.

25THRSS

lol, how many people on this board are stock, hahahaha, dumb *** bench racers **** me off

383backinblack

exactly

and you wont hole-shot me either. my final pass of the season i snapped an axle, that should give you an idea of how hard the car launches. sucks the eyes into the back of your skull

25THRSS

is this the same magazine that said a z06 could only run a 13.0?

Inwo

Guys, take this discussion to the Drag Race board. This is too convoluted for the street racing board and doesn't really have much to do with the topic... I wasn't going to lock it with hopes of it coming back on topic but it hasn't so...