Just got them on and they feel good!!!. I can finally stop!!. the kit goes on great and besides a slight stud problem he really had no control over(He fixed it GREAT!!!) The install was straightforward and only took a couple hours. Great hard pedal and no to the floor feelings.

Thanks Ed

Chris

 

Where can i find out about these kits? and whats the retail on them? i was thinking about a baer front and rear kit does this perform better in your opinion?

 

Yeah that sounds great where can we get this and how much? Can you really slam on the brakes and have no fade?
Sean

 

My friend has a Baer kit and I wanna ride to compare. The pedal is always solid. You can contact him at Ebmiller88@aol.com.

Chris

 

I sent my MO for the kit yesterday...

How was installation? Pretty straight forward?

 

Yea....Pretty much a remove/replace kinda thing. Remove old brakes/spindle. Put on new brakes/spindles.


Chris

 

I thought so...just curious from someone who has done it...

Sweet

 

Im ordering Ed Millers c4 kit soon so I will have some feedback and plenty of pics to post, for $600 you can't beat this deal for dual piston caliper 12" rotors. Its the same as the baer sport kit, for a lot less. You even get $50 back when you send in your old spindles, so its only $550. More soon

 

I haven't got mine yet, just thought I'd show what they look like

installed


easy installation


clearance on 15" wheels

 

I checked out a setup of his this weekend at the Autofair. Great looking setup and a great guy!

 

includes the spindles, is it used or new, in addition Ill assume it fit under stock 16inch wheels?

 

Was it the setup on my car? I saw you, but did not have time to stop by and talk.

Yes. They are modified stock used spindles.

Chris

 

Sorry I missed you Chris, I wanted to see how everything went after the stud problems we had and see it on the car. Glad to know it worked out.

Nice to meet you too, Mark. I've been wanting to see your car for a long time and finally got to. I had fun and tried to make it back up on Sunday but just couldn't fit it in....damn. Oh well, next spring! I also got to meet Abubaca, Nate, and a few others. That damn show is getting HUGE!


Ed

 

Chris, I saw you roll by. I never made it up to the end where you guys were. Ed, brought a setup in his trunk. I wish I had gone up and seen yours .

Ed, Nice meeting you. Hope you get your car fixed quick .

Maybe you guys can head up to Rockingham on Nov 2 for the little get together we have going on.

 

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I can't wait for my setup

Also, the Spohn 13" setup looked like exactly what I wanted...until I saw the price

Ed can have a pretty neat niche market going on here

 

Also, just curious if I can use stock lug nuts with the setup or if I have to go to an open ended lug...the pic shows an open ended lug...

Thanks,

 

Ed let me know when you have one ready for me and I'll send you the money, thanks
Sean

 

My brake kit should be here in a couple days, the calipers are red and the pads are ebc greenstuff! I also am waiting on a 1le valve, J50 m/c, and a bumpsteer kit from scoggin. Here are more pics

 

Here are some pics of my c4 brakes, rebuilt rear calipers and the rest of my suspension. Its been raining here for a while so thats why you see rust in the pics. Ed was great to deal with, always goin out of his way to make you happy. Thanks Ed for all the help. He has instructions and everything with the kit. I haven't tried them yet because Im waiting on another 1le valve but they'll kick ***.

 

Yeah, the c4's feel real good. Its only been done for two days, but so far they feel a lot better than stock. I bled them with the phoenix injector and put a 1le prop. valve in. I'll have to try some more panic stops, I had em smokin the first one! I wish I had some back brakes that could hold my axles from spinning. Im putting on my bumpsteer kit soon so I'll have some info on that too. Dal at vanderveer (1le prop. valve) is great to deal with also going out of his way for the customer as well, thanks.

 

The baer bumpsteer tie rod ends work great. I have eibachs and definetly noticed a big difference in steering with all the spacers on! I got them from scoggin dickey and they sent me the right ones! Actually there was someone on the boards who received the kit for the newer camaros instead of the right one. I was told that it was because of a part number change and that it wouldn't happen to me and it didn't. Next to come is the alloy specialties strut mounts, they should be here next week. I'll put some pics up when I install them. Im sure these mounts will get rid of the vibrations on the highway!

 

here's that pic of the bumpsteer kit, like I said it helps a lot with springs.






And some more of the brakes

 

Looks nice with the red car. What's the deal with your back brakes? Why aren't they holding? They are the good PBR brakes so I curious as to why they aren't working for ya?

Ed

 

Well from what I've read, none of the rear pbr's stop the wheels from turning while the car is jacked up and put in gear. Mine are freshly rebuilt and won't hold the rotors from turning with the wheels off, I had to put the emergencies on just to stop them all the way. Now with the cars weight on them and the fronts locked, they hold the car. I've read that in order to get them to stop an adjustable prop. valve is needed. I thought that the 1le valve would work, but It doesn't. Oh well the c4's are great and everything is in perfect working order. Ed you did a rear end swap and got the pbr's right? Did you try jacking up the rear and taking the wheels off then putting it in gear and stopping? I guess the right amount of pressure back there would help a lot, I might just have to get that adjustable valve.

 

That's why I was asking. Yes, I swapped from an '88 disc rear to an '89 PBR disc rear, rebuilt the calipers, and mine work great. They will stop the rear when the car is off the ground. It just sounded wied to me, especially that you rebuilt them too.


Ed

 

well I can't exactly remember now if I had the 1le valve in when I tested so I will try again but the line pressure and the rotor thickness are the only things I can think of that would cause the slipping, more later
Sean

 

Well I just tested the iroc and the rear brakes will stop and hold the rear tires good. So the 1le prop. valve and probably the rebuild is what is needed to fix pbr rear brakes! I have done some full braking with the c4's and these brakes are great! I can slam on the brakes and stop quick and solidly now and the brakes do not fade! I highly recomend upgrading the stock brakes, Its really worth the money for safety!

 

so whats the diff between these n the 1le's

 

for the 1le's I've read that you have to change the brake lines, with the c4's I reused my steel lines. They are both dual piston calipers so the main difference is the price. You must use the 1le proportion valve with both unless you already have one. The c4's are $550 and I think the 1le kit is close to $1000. Performance wise Im sure they are the same, I know the c4's are 12" rotors and I think the 1le's are too. Im probably forgeting some things but the price is the main difference. I would add c4's to any camaro, they should've had these brakes from the factory. I definetly would change the prop. valve to 1le or mod your old one with 4 wheel discs to get the rear calipers to actually stop the wheels from turning

 

Here's the specs for all the major kits out there, with the exception of Spohn's new Wilwood kit, posted by Luke in the "98+ CAMARO “LS1” Brakes; Bigger & Better" thread:

STOCK BRAKES:
Rotor Size: 10.5 inches
Rotor Thickness: about 1

C4 NON-HD 12-INCH BRAKES:
Rotor size: 12 inches
Rotor Thickness: 0.81 inches
-Caliper specs
Piston size: 1.5 inch outer diameter

C4 HD 13-INCH BRAKES:
Rotor Size: 13 inches
Rotor Thickness: 1.1 inches

1LE BRAKES:
Rotor Size: 12 inches
Rotor Thickness: 1.1 inches
-Caliper specs
Piston size: 1.5 inch outer diameter

98+ CAMARO BRAKES “LS1”:
Rotor Size: 12 inches
Rotor Thickness: 1.25 inches
-Caliper specs
Piston size: 1.75 inch outer diameter

C5 BRAKES:
Rotor size: 12.75 inches
Rotor thickness: 1.25 inches
-Caliper specs
Piston size: Somewhere close to 1.75 inch outer diameter

 

Here are the alloy specialties strut mounts and I repainted my jamex stb brackets. The mounts are great! solved my front end shake on highway.

 

hmm really cause mine starts to shake around 80 and i changed just about everything

 

Spdfrk, you still running a stock steel driveshaft? I had a vibration around 80 MPH also...switched to a 4th gen LS1 aluminum shaft and it went bye-bye.


Ed

 

Ed, I must say you have done a lot of work!!

What about this c4 HD kit? who makes that? I think ill worry about improving my front brakes after i find a rear end that had disks. This is all very good info and Im glad a lot of people are happy with the prodcuct.

 

yeah, get an aluminum driveshaft also, that helped me as well. I still have a slight vibration but it is the motor. I have 133,000 on the stock motor so once I rebuild it, it will be smooth. the strut mounts got rid of the front end vibration I had and the aluminum drive shaft got rid of that vibration, so it all adds up sometimes.

Here is a pic of my 4th gen drive shaft

 

yeh i still got the stock steel one i do need an aluminum 1.

 

The HD brakes won't work. If you recall the C4 upgrade uses rear C4 rotors due to the difference in rotor hat offsets. The 13" HD rotors would use front rotors, even thicker than the Non-HD rotors, and push the inner rotor face even closer to the spindle, and taking even more clearance away from that area, and you have to have it there in order to fit the caliper carrier in between the rotor and the bracket.

Unless someone knows something I don't, 13" HDs won't work for this upgrade.


Spdfrk, keep you eyes open for deals...I got my alum D/S for $70 SHIPPED.


Ed

 

"I swapped from an '88 disc rear to an '89 PBR disc rear, rebuilt the calipers", if you dont mind me asking what is the 89 pbr rear? explain please?

 

The '88 and older rears have the iron Moraine calipers with the screw type emergency brake operator that is prone to freezing up over the years. Unless you rebuild them, they won't work right. The '89 and up disc rears have the PBR caliper-equipped brakes and also move up to a 12" rear rotor. Here's a shot of the two side by side, taken during my swap....

Actually, just look here:

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tar...tos.yahoo.com/

Let me know if you have any more questions.


Ed

 

88TPI406GTA:

Adam, are you running the stock GTA mesh wheels with your C4s? I had a question on fitment: Any problems?

Thanks..Ed

 

Sorry Ed...I still haven't bolted the kit on yet...too many other things going on...but I will post a response when I do...

 

Ok, thanks. I'm gonna see if I can borrow one from Roy or a local guy and fit it up and see how it works with both the C4 and LS1 brakes.


Ed

 

Let us know what happens Ed. I hope things work out.

 

ed, i dont' remeber if dan and i tried to fit the C4's with GTA wheels....

but they do fit under the stock 15"

 

Has anyone tried the C4 brakes under the GTA crosslace wheels yet? Any fitment issues?

 

Ditto what "The Doc" asked and will the lug caps still fit?

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...ighlight=studs

Ed

 

Pic:

 

Thinking im heading this way on a frt brake upgrade very shortly :-) cheap and reliable and easy to find parts, the best part lol

But, how about some people who use this setup clue us in as to how its working .. I would imagine its way better than the stock 10.5's

Please help me out and post your experiences so far

LAter and thanks
Jeremy

 

That wheel looks to be a rear GTA wheel. Would the fronts need to be swapped for the rears for adequate clearance? I'm looking at performing this upgrade on my Formula after the first of the year and would like to avoid any surprises,especially since I run fronts at all four corners.