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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 12:01 PM
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Another "what's it worth" inquiry

It's an '86 Camaro Z-28, Saphire blue, originally LG4 5 speed, 3.23 rear, fully loaded.

150,000+ miles, but none of original driveline/susp exists. Hardware consists of:
Fresh 350, cast crank, Hyereutectic pisons, Trickflow heads, Edelbrock performer RPM cam, intake, and carb, topped w/HO air cleaner.

Edelbrock headers, duel cat Ypipe, 3" cat back Flowmaster

Centerforce Stage II clutch, T-56 trans, Aluminum shaft, 3.73 Gov-Loc 10 bolt with 1LE disks and calipers.

Eibach Sportline springs, Poly Bushings through out, 1LE swaybars, and Koni shocks and struts.

Now about the condition.... The entire driveline was installed, and hardly ever used. The guy can't get it to pass emissions in MA. I live in UT and emissions isn't an issue, but I know I could fix that issue anyway. The car probably hasn't seen more than 500 miles since the engine, trans, rear. the trans came out of a '93, 1200 mile Camaro. The guy is a friend of mine, and I happen to know he is meticulous about everything. The body, original paint is both nearly flawless and gorgeous. When he used to drive the car, he used to wax it EVERY week, some times twice depending ion the weather. He is such a freak about cleanliness, he used to get under the car and POLISH THE MUFFLER!! That is the extent to which he goes to detail his stuff.

The only blemishes in the exterior are a 3" diameter spot were he waxed through the paint (!) on the drivers side roof, behind the T-top. The rear bumper the clear coat is flaking off the top surface, and the front bumper has about 6 "flex cracks" in the pain itself. That's it. Other than that the car is impecable. The plastic, the sheet metal, the paint, the rubber, the wheels, all of it looks like it could be sitting in the dealers show room. The interior is likewise flawless, with '96 Z-28 power seat (rear seats too), perfect carpet, dashpad, console, etc. It all looks brand new. It has a sick stereo (subs, amps, 8 speakers, etc). Basically this car is the F-body we all want. The only thing I can think of that it needs are subframe connectors, and LCA's and LCA relocating brackets. Then it would be "done".

He is the second owner, and the original owner was a middle aged woman that only drove it on "sunny Sunday's". That is why it was so beautiful when he bouhgt it, and he is festidious about keeping that (and all his stuff) in perfect condition.

So basically we have a Saphire blue, mint, '86 Z-28 with over 300 horese, a six speed, suspension, brakes, stereo, and it's loaded. One last thing, the A/C has been removed, but all the hardware comes with the car. So what's it worth?
Old Sep 7, 2003 | 12:19 PM
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well i didn't see a price in your post but by the sounds of it, if the price was under 3500 I think you pulled off a good steal.

Trickflow heads are super expensive just in themselves. Hell all the parts you listed are top of the line.

Good find, but how much did you pull out of the wallet for her?

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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 12:38 PM
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Haven't bought it yet

I haven't bought it yet, but I'm thinking very seriously about it. I was visiting back east the past week, and I hung out with the owner, my friend Mark. He was telling me about how it won't pass emmissions, and it's not that he cant' fix it, but that he just doesn't want to. "I'm just too old for a car like that now", he was saying. "It's too high schoolish now". Which I agree with, but it's also a damn fun and nice car. He just wants to sell it. He told me he wants $3500 for it. I told him I thought he was crazy, and that he should ask 5-6k for it. He is not interested and just want 3500 and someone can have it. I looked at the car again (while home), and it is just as beautiful and perfect as ever. I told him if he's going to sell it for 35, I'll buy it. he said if I show up with 35, it's mine.

Your right that all the compnents (except for the Edelbrock stuff), are top notch.

I don't currently have a pic for you, I'll email him and see if he has a pic he can email back.
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Old Sep 7, 2003 | 02:35 PM
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Re: Haven't bought it yet

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Your right that all the compnents (except for the Edelbrock stuff), are top notch.
Yeah you got that right, no fan of edelbrock here either.

E-check is a pain in the ***, my camaro will not pass either, it fails by a smidge. Nothing a lil tweaking of the carb, smaller jets and a lil retarding of the timing shouldn't fix but 3500 is what i would pay for that. 5k would be a lil risky in my book, anyway it seems like a good buy plus if the owner is your friend, i don't think he'd be out to jip you.

If you got the spare cash, i would for sure slap a green light on the buy.

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Mark just emailed me the pics this morning, so here they are.
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:22 AM
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:24 AM
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:25 AM
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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:28 AM
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This sucks

Thos pics were SO CLEAR, until I tried to shrink them w/ "PHOTOED" on my computer so they would fit within the 102kb size limit. Just editing the damn picture makes the pic then take up more kb, so you have to shrink it way more than you think you should in order to get it small enough. In the process, the PHOTOED screws up the clarity. Grrrr! They were super clear pics. Now they just give you a (very) rough idea, but the car is CLEAN. WIW?
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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hm... if he is asking 3500, I'd snag it up! sounds like a good price to me! Actualy, it sounds like a low price, for all the parts it has in it.

I think he could get 5-6 for it easy. snag it up while the price is low!

Oh, and maybe have a mechanic friend give it a look over, just to be safe (it's always a good idea).

Good luck!
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 01:46 PM
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I think he could get 5-6 for it easy. snag it up while the price is low!

Oh, and maybe have a mechanic friend give it a look over, just to be safe (it's always a good idea).

Good luck!
Just to clarify, I've been friends with the owner for about 10 years, so I've seen the car go from the stock LG4 to what it is today. Actually, I've helped him DO some of the mods. Actually, I SOLD him and helped him install the T-56, which used to be in MY car! LOL. So I know all about the car, I know why it won't pass emissions(wrong cam, carb tuning), and I KNOW it is mechanically in supurb condition.... everything is nearly brand new!

My idea is to buy it, get it emissions compliant (cam swap and tuning) and sell it for ~$6000. While it's for sale, drive it and enjoy every minute of it! I figure, if the guy won't sell it for more than 35, then his buddy (me) can try to make some money on the deal, and enjoy the car in the mean time, rather than some stranger. But it boils down to that I CAN'T loose money on the deal. I don't have that much money "kicking around". It would have to be profitable, so hence the question, what's it reasonably worth. I think 5k is reasonable, and for 6, I'd sit on it for a while. But to find a 17 year old car in this kind of ORIGINAL condition body wise, is pretty rare.
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 02:14 PM
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Ohh, I see now

I'd ask 6500, then, so you might get anywhere from 5,000 - 6,000 for it. Good deal! :-)
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 04:04 PM
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Definetly worth 3500$. If I came across that deal I would be driving it right now.
Old Sep 9, 2003 | 08:57 AM
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I don't think you would lose money on it. Worse case senario it may take you a while to unload it, and you may only make a grand on it; but it will sell. These cars always go like hot cakes for some reason.
Old Mar 5, 2004 | 12:53 PM
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that is one awesome looking car, 3500 is a steal. I'd gladly pay 6-7k for it, if it wasn't from a friend. Awesome car.

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Old Mar 5, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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Nice car... but PLEASE turn the air cleaner lid around the right way, LOL.
Old Mar 5, 2004 | 04:32 PM
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<b>The car probably hasn't seen more than 500 miles since the engine, trans, rear. the trans came out of a '93, 1200 mile Camaro. </b>

How do you fit a performer RPM cam and trickflow heads onto an Lt-1? Doesnt sound like a 4th gen motor to me.
Old Mar 5, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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LOL

That's because it's not.

It's a '94 block out of a Chevy 3500 (?) van, four bolt mains, and a one piece rear main seal. Most definitely NOT an LT1.

I know how you got that idea though...
Originally posted by Tom 400 CFI
The car probably hasn't seen more than 500 miles since the engine, trans, rear. the trans came out of a '93, 1200 mile Camaro.
It should read,
"...since the engine, trans and rear. The trans came out of a '93, 1200 mile Camaro."

You pincking up what I'm layin' down, now?

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There is a camaro on eBay right now with a nice rebuilt motor equal to what that car has + T56 and some ghost flames, and it's up in the 7k area now. I'll try to find the link.
Old Mar 5, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6161

Has a strange 12 bolt too but hell, it hit 8K and didn't hit sell because of the reserve.

I think $6000 would be a good deal.
Old Mar 6, 2004 | 12:27 AM
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3500 is ****** robbery. you should pick it up and hawk it as is. you'd get 6-7k for it from somebody right now.. no work needed.... so long as they don't care about emissions. why not keep it? I would.
Old Mar 6, 2004 | 10:34 AM
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why not keep it? I would.
Storage. I already have a Chevy truck, a Mastercraft tournament ski boat, two snowmobiles, and a dirt bike. All of which need garage space.

I might get that car this April, and have it through the spring and summer until it sells, the indoor storage isn't that important. It never rains here in UT.
Old Mar 6, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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cool. too bad you can't spare the storage for one more toy... if it was a T/A, I'd be up there with 3500 in hand... even if it meant I had to sell everything but my boxers and a jacket.
Old Mar 7, 2004 | 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by Tom 400 CFI
Storage. I already have a Chevy truck, a Mastercraft tournament ski boat, two snowmobiles, and a dirt bike. All of which need garage space.
Move to Florida... Here's how we do it down here. Park boat on side of house with cover, dirt bike in the shed with lawn mower, snowmobiles (what's that?), and you have plenty of room to park two vehicles in your two car garage. Unless, like me, you have extra car parts, tires, rims, and boat toys taking up half the space!
Old Apr 8, 2004 | 07:25 PM
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I agree, that car is a great find and you might as well be arrested if you only pay 3500 for it.

Email me the original pictures and I can resize them correctly for you.
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That car is immaculate

For $3500, you should be smacked if you don't buy it

Very clean car, and if the car is actually as clean as it is in those pics, you shouldn't have any trouble selling it for $6000.
Old Apr 13, 2004 | 02:46 AM
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wow... i got bent over on my car then... i paid $5000 for a 91 RS w/ 150k miles on it, 100% original except for the paint and tires/rims... it had 16" boyd polished alum rims on it and Z rated tires, everything else was stock ;-) no dings, scratches or anything seeing as how the paint was new... as of now, with the new crate motor, sound system and new little accesories, my car has a net worth (to me anyways) of $9000+ too bad i got hosed on the initial pricing
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