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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 10:21 AM
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Torque Arms

Is there anything to be gained in switching from the stock stamped steel Torque Arm that mounts to the tranny tail shaft, to an after market one that is shorter than the stock arm and is made from 1.25" x .095" 4130 chrome moly tubing and mounts to a cross member thats welded between the sub frame conecters.

The car dead hooks with zero tire spin.
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 11:39 AM
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yes there is something to be gained but if your car hooks and doesn't spin i wouldn't worry too much about fixing something that isn't broke
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 01:42 PM
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EDE, What would the gains be?
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 02:24 PM
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well the gains would be in the shortening of the torque arm, but you are cutting 1.3 60's might allow you to launch from a little higher RPM. the shorter torque arm should be better for weight transfer to the rear.

i assume you are talking about one of the BMR torque arms?
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 04:23 PM
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Also it's nice (with aftermarket torque arm) to be able to adjust your pinion angle.
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 05:07 PM
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the shorter torque arm should be better for weight transfer to the rear.
Why do I need more weight transfer, The car deed hooks with 0 tire spin

Also it's nice (with aftermarket torque arm) to be able to adjust your pinion angle.
Again Ill ask, why do I need to adjust my pinion angle if the car deed hooks?

Sorry for all the questions, Im just trying to figure out why I need to spend anywhere between $250 and $675 for one of these arms?
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 05:10 PM
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if you are happy with your car now, don't upgrade.

with 1.3x 60's, you are doing something right as it is. like i said, more weight transfer usualy = more traction, if you are launching at 2200rpm, maybe you could instead launch at 2600, that might make your car, that much faster in the 1/4.

i am not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for?
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 05:42 PM
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Every time I tell someone im useing the stock torque arm, they tell me I need to upgrade to an aftermarket one. Im just trying to find out why it is I need to do this? What will I gain from this other than a lighter wallet?
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 05:59 PM
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you could possibly gain more traction.
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Old Nov 28, 2003 | 06:19 PM
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If you are hooking, which is pretty obvious by your short time, just leave it alone. Some people may be thinking you NEED an aftermarket torque arm because it would be stronger than the flimsy stamped steel piece. But you seem to be doing just fine. If it were me, I wouldn't touch it...
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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 11:47 AM
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J E G S their torque arm is more like a ladder bar very solid and it made my original t/a 5.7 5spd hook on goodyear gscs and we all know these tires suck for drag racing,psi@20....
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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 11:49 AM
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i really like the idea of this bar cause it does not hook up to the tranny,man that has got to distort the tailshaft on hard launches crappy idea gm had but it worked,now the TTA set up was much better,try finding that though
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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 12:59 PM
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The Spohn Torq arm works in a similar way. They mount it to the crossmember where it should have been in the first place.

But, as the guy said above, he is confused as to what good it will do him since he is already hooking very well...
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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 07:07 PM
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Cause I"ve seen the stock stamped steel one twist over the tranny.. lol

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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 09:49 PM
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Did this to my 9 in. while my flimsy stamped steel piece is still in one piece.

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Old Nov 29, 2003 | 09:52 PM
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It is a Ford part what else do ya expect? The Gm part over powered it and made it break

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Old Nov 30, 2003 | 10:36 AM
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OK, Ill let you guys off the hook. The reason I started this topic was to show you that 95% of the peeps on this board do not need to fix something thats not broke. The stock flimsy stamped steel piece works and it works very well as has been proved with testing it for over 7 years without breaking one. Spend your money else where. Tires, Springs, Shocks.

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Old Nov 30, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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Well, I can see getting an adjustable Torq arm if you are hunting for better traction, or if you, like me, changed to a transmission that was not ever offered in a 3rd Gen. I bought the Spohn Torq arm and crossmember. It is better to secure it to the frame rather than the tail housing of a transmission...

But I agree completely with you, if there is no problem with the part and, in your case, you are getting great traction, don't beat a dead horse...
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 12:06 PM
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man I was starting to wonder, I mean

you didnt want to waste 250-600 for a TA, but you have10- 20k plus in mods to get it in the 10s. Personally if I had your car running 10s the LAST thing I would have is a stock TA

quite playing with us Oh nice vids cars are kinda of cool too.
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Old Dec 2, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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The point is : The torque Arm is not the fix all for the traction problems that most of the peeps think it is.

but you have10- 20k plus in mods to get it in the 10s.
Maybe 10k total including paint and wheels
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by 10.90streetcar
OK, Ill let you guys off the hook. The reason I started this topic was to show you that 95% of the peeps on this board do not need to fix something thats not broke. The stock flimsy stamped steel piece works and it works very well as has been proved with testing it for over 7 years without breaking one. Spend your money else where. Tires, Springs, Shocks.

I agree. I've seen guys go plenty fast with stock arms. Only I would upgrade if you've done LCA brackets, LCAs, SFCs, springs, shocks, gears, and panhard centering. Then if you've got bucks to burn, get a Spohn arm. Another reason to upgrade might be if you're installing a trans like the t56. Spohns arms don't stress the trans case and are a bolt in. Probably worth the cost compared to getting one custom made.
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