Are they ? or ?

 

one more...

 

Thats quite an interesting bird u have there. I have thought about fixed headlights before with many different styles. I actually don't know if I like it or not.

 

i dont know, i like how the grills look and all the rivits in the front on the gfx. it looks kinda like a race car. But im not sure about the lights or the ram air. The ram air is too far back . But if you like it , thats all that counts.

 

how'd you do that? do you have any side view pictures to see waht they look like from the side? looks like a good solution to my crappy headlights too!

 

also... are there pits in front of the lights.. i don't want any pools forming behind my bumper....

 

Well, that's interesting, I would like to see some better pics to see how it was done. I would say that they will exert a lot of aerodynamic drag on the car. In the 1/4 mile having the headlights up can cost 2 1/10's and 4 mph. I tried to figure a way to put in permanent headlights so that it maintaned the current lines of the car with the headlights down to get better aerodynamics, but I wasn't successful.

 

nope, i think it looks bad...

 

 

My thoughts exactly. The only thing I like about Firebirds/TAs better than camaros is the hidden head lights. No offense, but you've screwed that one!

 

no offense but i dont care for the headlights, they look cheap, the hood looks cheap, and the mesh stuff looks cheap. to each his own.

 

alright, how about this idea.... instead of having the headlights recessed, move them up to the front bumper, and extend the covers that cover the top (perhaps even use the oem headlight tops)... give a really really good look... tell me what you think...

 

Not sure about the headlights, I'd like to see some daytime pictures. I really like the mesh grills you have on the front. I don't like the rivets, and especially the scoop.

 

The last pic there is what I call the "high bird". Looks like the car either doesnt care or is too high to care... hehehehe

 

alright, how about this idea.... instead of having the headlights recessed, move them up to the front bumper, and extend the covers that cover the top (perhaps even use the oem headlight tops)... give a really really good look... tell me what you think...

I was thinking the same thing, in order to still have good lighting you'd need a light about 2" high and 8" long. Jc whitney sells a driving/fog/parking light combo that fits the bill, I just don't know if it would be bright enough. I also have a pair of driving lights behind the mess grills, so that would help out.

I'm not that picky about weight, taking those motors out wouldn't really be a noticable improvement. I was surprised at how much they weigh though.

 

can you send me the link to the jc whitney site where the headlights are... i'm seriously thinking of doing this. the "high bird" look is really starting to stick with me lol

 

quite gay!

 

 

To each their own...

Your car, your money and your emotions that get hurt when people laugh at that thing...

 

I don't like it, but it's interesting.

 

"Coming up next on horrifyingly bad ******* mobiles, redraif!"

I think you need more rivets, and more things tacked on. More spoilers maybe?

Dope

Edit: keeping up my 1 post per year tradition

 

wow....

 

No offense but your car got beaten... no raped with the ugly stick when that idea came along... sorry dude

 

that was very well put, while not being mean.

 

sorry but i do not like any of it.....at all

once again, i am not trying to be a dick

 

Copied directly from the board rules...

"We are not advocating that you not voice your opinion about someone else's appearance decisions. However, there is a difference between saying "I don't care for that." and "That looks like ****!" If you feel that the second method of voicing your opinion is valid, please learn some tact. Your parents might not have taught you any manners, but you sure had better learn them if you want to continue to be a member of this message board. If you absolutely can not respond with polite negative criticism, then simply do not reply at all."

Get it together guys

 

That was the approach I was going for

 

Excuse me but saying parents aren't teaching something to someone is kinda lame. I was taught to call it how you see it, it's a pile of crap then say it's a pile of crap. If it's a nice machine say it's a nice machine, it's really not a hard concept to understand. But just like everything nowadays people have to sugarcoat stuff in order not to "offend" people. If someone posts something asking for opinions or posts something that is just lame and rediculous what do you expect people to do? If it's a retarded idea then say it's retarded.

Ok, that is all

 

Lose the rims and get back to me on the rules (That's a joke BTW )

As for the blue bird, Not only is it a firebird, but he managed to include another manner of fowl with the addition of a chicken-wire grill. He could go for the trifecta if he got some big-pimpin ostritch skin seats!

 

Looks as though the headlamp assembly was simply taken out and the lamps were just set in place of the assemblies.

It's kind of like a worse, no-buck variation of this already bad fixed lamp setup... http://www.geocities.com/jptaylor2/FIREBIRD.html

 

Nope, don't care much for it.

 

That bolt on ram air looks sweet !
i mean i dont like all the rivets and nut
emulators or something !
but that looks like is on the car!
nice !!
where ya get that bolt on ram air?

 

Hmm:

Open to suggestions?
Use 4th gen size headlights for Camaros, they will look like they belong in that space and work better too.

Use the lids, and maybe have them pop open slightly when the lights are on (like on some Sunbirds)

Paint everything behind your mesh grilles black, so it doesnt show through. Maybe try painting the mesh black also.

I don't care for the bolt on hood scoops. I would have gone with a boneyard Power bulge hood (pretty easy to find)

Be creative, have fun, and build what YOU want.

Good luck
Troy
So Cal

 

Can't say I like the design of the recessed head lamps. They don't fit overall with the car itself.

The link that dead bird posted is a good attempt, but the yellow backing looks nasty on a black car. Also, having the lexan covers extend to the edge of the bumper is a bad idea.

Of all the fixed head light options I've seen I think I like Redraif's setup the most. Deadbirds "lazy eye" flip up lamps look good too.

 

TGO double standard right there! You cant tell someone the mod they did looks like crap, you have to sugar coat everything but a MOD can say "YOUR PARENTS MIGHT NOT HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANY MANNERS" <~~ uncalled for, more incalled for then someone flaming on someones car if you ask me.

BTW the car? NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!! man NOOOOOOOO!!

 

oh not another one with that hood thing, the light dont look @all.

 

In case you didn't read Josh's post, it was copied from the rules. He wasn't saying anything about how your parents raised you.

I am all for being totally honest with people and not having to sugarcoat things because thats the way life is. However, as big bad moderators, it is our job to enforce the rules which we may not have even made. Pretty much, the rule is have some tact when you voice your opinion on someone's car. Just saying "daaayum bro! yo' ride be lookin MAD WHACK!" won't get as much respect from most people than just saying "Sorry, its not my taste" or offering suggestive criticism by saying what it is you don't like.

With that aside, its not my taste but its also not my car

 

Even worse then. My fault for not reading the very top part about it being copied from tgo rules. If you want people on this board to act in a mature manner then the rules should be written in a mature maner also. Not like it matters though. the rules are pretty flexable and even though i havnt been a member for all that long i have already noticed you have to be a major jackass to be banned from this site.

Also the comment someone made about "would you say that to the persons face about their car" Does make sence.


Back to the car. I think the headlites would look alot better if you left the stock headlite door on it and made custom lites kinda like the redraif car has. Also the hood would look 100x's better if you smoothed the scoop with the hood using fiberglass and bondo. No way should you ever need all those rivetts. But hey if your happy with it i guess thats all that matters.

 

I still want to know where he got all those rivets from...looks like he yanked them from an Isuzu box truck side panel

Also if you're set on keeping the ram-air scoops move them down a bit, they sit up WAY to high on the hood.

 

well.... first of all....
i don't believe the original post was asking for opinions on his whole car.... i'm pretty sure he wanted ideas for fixed headlights on a firebird!!

 

I don't think fixed lights look right at all on the birds.

What is it with all these stick on ram air deals lateley? save up the cash and do it right, jeez.

all you moderators are *****.

 

I see you have the same hood scoop as me.

 

Thanks for the input, I'd rather hear honest answers. It is the internet afterall. To say I'm an idiot for doing something, well maybe it's true, just try and keep it about the cars,please. Alot of people have been asking WHY?! I did this...

After digging through a junkyard under 3feet of snow to get a relay harness and then spending 20.00 for a new headlight relay only to have the headlight motor smoke after 20minutes, I'm sick of dealing with the lights. They never worked properly out of the 8 years I have owned the car, I think I could have replaced the motor and had good flip up's for another 4 years. Then I'd be right back at it again-fixing something else, gears, relays, wiring, switch, etc.

The lights won't be staying like this forever, the scoop IS staying. I will mold it onto the hood with bondo or some epoxy. Any suggestions for the lights? I would like to see pic's of redraif's setup or any others.

Dingley- The Jc whitney light is called "cat's eye" If you can't find it on their site, I can find the part # next time I have a catalog handy.

The brand new sunfire headlights really look nice, '03 or 04 style? I will have to take some pic's and measure them, if someone could photoshop them onto the car for me, that would be excellent.

 

i hear where you're coming from.. my headlights have not worked sinced i've owned the car. everynight i go out , pop the hood, and turn the dial on the headlight motor to put them up. i'm just of doing that. i can't stand the look of the firebird with the headlights up. so, fixed headlights are a very very good solution to this problem. like 1983FBody, i've been trying to brainstorm ideas..... the sunfire idea has crossed my mind before. i don't think the dimensions are right, but i would love to see what it would look like...

 

Trans Am's look good already... I like the stock look better, like that JoshP (I think) the red one in the sig pic a few posts up...

 

Problem is the stock ones stop working eventually and people are left with either lites up all the time or one up one down or you gotta turn the **** all the time to make them come up. I like the REDRAIF head lite idea becuase the lites on the firebirds are a bit big to begin with.

I wont be modding mine anytime soon as Everything related to them is new except the switch inside the car.

 

For everyone's info about the ram air hood scoop mine and his are not cheapo junk lund tape on you mold theese on yourself I have mine done and it saves 500 bucks plus the shipping cost of a junk aftermarket piece you have to mold and fix in order to look good so if I pay that kinda money for something it best paint itself win shows on its own and put itself on my car.
Why would anyone pay 500 bucks for the hood they have to pay 1000 bucks or more to get finished right and painted?
All I done was go after the look of the ram air which loosk nice.
and from personal experience if you don't liek the ram air hood period you don't liek the scoops however alot of ppl who have seen the ascd ra-2's they like the one I have better then it.
I've had ppl comment on my threads about it and only say I don't liek it and they'l say they do not like the rama ir hood to begin w/ and ones who do like it think its better then the ram air hoods themselves.
If you move them forward they do not look or work right at all . Once you build them out in the back so they look decent they have no rise to them they wil be flat on the hood and it basically just looks plane aweful. If you were to take and open the hood and look you can see were they'd stop and all and it lines up perfectly to were it would mount right on the end of the throttle body or around the air cleaner on top of the carb and would be more effecient ram air being closer to the intake instead of way up front and travel so far back to go into the motor.
If ascd made theese hoods this way to begin w/ I think 9 out of 10 of you guys wouldn't say anything about them you'd love em just the same. Or if the factory made them this way.

Now w/ that said I do agree they have flaws but hey for less then 150 you can have em and they do look nice and definately 1000000000 times better then sticking on some lund ones.
I think they needed to be a bit longer for our cars but until mine I only seen the sports car design ones as did everyone else. The back also doesn't fit quite right but you can adjust it and make it nice I did and it's very nice.

 

Ummmm... Perhaps I'm missing something, but wouldn't the very best solution to this problem be to fix your headlight motors?? Its the little nylon bushings in them that always fail (and are designed to fail first).. They cost like 10 bucks for a complete set and aren't that hard to put in.. Butchering the front of the car instead of fixing the problem isn't the best solution.

 

i like them it shows some one is tring to be diff and not fallow ever one elts, good job man

 

that would be nice.. but the motors i have work perfectly fine... when power is run thru them, they work in both directions. so its not that.... its got to be the relays because the switch ahs already been replaced. the previous owner spliced every wire on the front end... so i'm kind of in a jam...