Is anyone else here interested in possibly collaborating on making a complete and error free(as possible) hac like exists for the anht?

Have the sunbird docs and p4 turbodocs at diy_efi for guidance so a lot of stuff has been brought out already.. Just be nice too add it all to TC and also u guys using Mangus' stuff as well..

Been playing around and im not an expert by any means but have people who can help me when i get in a jam and i figure if we get some other folks working as well we could do it fairly easily...

Maybe even the heavy hitters here would lend us their 2 cents and point us in the right direction when we get in a jam or catch some of our own screwups.

This would also alleviate another situation which we all know about but cant do much about at this time :-)

thanks
Jeremy

 

Guess you missed the memo.

I've already posted source code that assembles at several locations.

Just as an update, after spending wayyyyyy to much time on it, I've cleaned up the original .asm file, and it now assembles without any errors.

And

AND.

I had the GN running on a .bin file that was generated from the latest Source Code, this morning.

All the calibration locations have been redefined with labels, and it assembles into a 32K lenght file now. So there's all the room in the world for patches, and jumping to subroutines, etc. etc..

It's really looking good, in a few more days/week, I hope to have labeled the commands in the code area. Then it's just a matter of defining the routines.

Rather then having 18 almost done versions floating around, I'm holding off on posting anything new, until it's done, and I can PD a final copy of it.

There's some stuff I want to work out, so that I can release it with enough notes, so that folks can use it with a Distributor, or DIS. Time energy permitting, I'm including tuning notes in the .asm document, so that it's a rather complete "system", rather then just a .asm..

 

ahhhh,

so u r going to let us poor slovenly folk get a peak at it :-)

sweetness'
thanks
Jeremy

 

This guy is absolutely amazing!
-- Joe

 

If it's OK with everyone else I'll do an ECU file for the $58 mask.

RBob.

 

What happened to the one that Funstick did?

-- Joe

 

That would be *most* excellent. Doing so would put to rest, once and for all, *any* question of validity and legality of distribution of a $58 ECU file.

Please, please do this! If you need *anything* from me, let me know.

And to answer anesthes' question, I wonder the same thing. I'm guessing "Mechanic" has been relentless in giving Funstick ISP troubles, and that was probably enough of a deterrant for him to post the file.

 

A mate of mine likes to remind me that "the truth struggles to free itself." Very poetic .

Mechanic no doubt thinks he's snowed Funstick's ISP, and that his threats through his lawyer are protecting "his" intellectual property. What a joke. How depressing it is to see the sticky at the top of this board warning against posting public domained truth about the $58 binaries.

Then we get Grumpy's hac, Rbob's ECU and Mangus' editor. An avalanche of snow on the snower! Neat. All it needs is Craig Moates adapting his scanner and Mechanic will have witnessed the complete obsolescence of "his" business. And no one in this community had to hire a lawyer! Neater still.

As has been observed before, you guys rock! More freed truth

John

 

Hey, I'm getting ready to convert my test mule from 165 to 749, so I'm all jacked up! Some stuff that may be helpful is under the hacks section of www.moates.net/fileman .

 

I spent a LOOOONG time working on my $58 bin getting it driveable. For some people, a stock sy-ty bin worked fine. for me, I had to extensively modify both closed and open throttle ve, and reduce AE big time for the blower.

I'll be curious to see if you have the same K/S issue I'm having. I think the knock code in $58 don't work.

-- Joe

 

I'm seeing it too.
I can manipulate the displayed numbers with tweaking the code, just not sure at the moment what the actual problem is.

I get a different count if I unplug the sensor, do you?. Have to restart the engine for the number to change.

 

Hrmm. Didnt try unplugging it. I will though.

I'm surprised Saturn hasn't experienced this issue. At one point I even used his bin, and got the same problem.

There doesnt seem to be a pattern of what it displays, that I have noticed. I'd like to hear more feedback from your research.

-- Joe

 

What does the k/s error look like?

Thanks

Ed

 

Hehe... Yes I've seen it too... But.. I figured it had more to do with the Eatons than being an actual issue. Ask Grumpy how loud it is..

I am getting big counts, and on/off 4* retard. By on/off, means I either have it or not. BW

 

The Kock Count displays a huge number, but with no actual knock retard being shown.

 

Does the knock count change when you see knock?.

 

Craazy thought here but. Any chance that the software scanners are all mistakenly monitoring the wrong thing?

Perhaps I should try the snap-on scanner later..

-- Joe

 

I have seen it. Very large numbers an no knock retard. I was in the process of pulling off the belt and removing my MSD to see if it helped.

ED89

 

I use Datamaster. Does the error show up on freescan?


ED89

 

I get a burst of counts at startup.. ~1500
no retard.

run... no retard of additional counts.

Get small burst of counts ~200 and retard.. counts hold, retard decays.

rinse, repeat. BW

 

I see it with both Tuner pro and Freescan. Big burst of counts at startup, no retard. Counts hold, get small burst, retard. Counts hold, retard decays.

Counts hold, next small burst of counts, retard. Rinse, repeat. BW

 

Datamaster, and Tunerpro. Tons of knock counts.

PRetty much teh same as Saturn. About 1300 or so on crank to fire. Then random counts.

I dont really get any retard that I noticed though.

-- Joe

 

I was going to say something silly but........ BW

 

It is easy to get counts on startup and shutdown. I see it every time.

With a running engine there are then several qualifiers that need to be met before actual retard will occur, even with counts.

Another item to consider is the attack rate. It may not be high enough to actually retard the timing even with counts. BTST (been there, seen that).

On the $58 mask there is also an option bit to bypass the knock retard logic.

Then RPM & CTS qualifiers to do burst knock as opposed to regular knock. All-in-all enough to drive one crazy. . .

RBob.

 

ECU file question: is there any off-the-wall parameters that I should add? Have all the run-of-the-mill stuff, 130+ entries already.

For anyone that is already using the $58 mask, is there anything that is required in an ECU that wouldn't normally be there?

RBob.

 

Did you add *everything* from programmer ? I know the TC tdf is fairly incomplete. If you wanna start editing things like decel enleanment, dfco parims, etc forget about using TC..

If we do infact resolve the knock issue with $58, be it a weird parim when in v8, or whatnot, this shoudl be added to the '749 stickys.

-- Joe

 

About the only thing I would like to change is swap the ALDL byte the WB patch uses (battery volts) to a different ALDL output like airflow or egr which don't seem to display anything relevent. BW

 

Wow!

Am i glad i opened my big mouth :-)

lol Cept im gonna have to take all this and turn it into TC stuff so i can figure it all out :-)

this will be great!

later
Jeremy

 

anesthes: I have taken a complete clean room approach. Everything in this ECU is what I have placed there myself from my own source code. There is nothing from anywhere else.

It sounds like the DFCO parameters would be an advantage. I'll add those as I did skip over them. I do have about 50% of the DE stuff in there. I'll add some more.

SATURN5: can you give me a pointer to the RAM location that the WB patch uses? I'll put in the alternate locations for the ALDL output. I'd just like to place the RAM address in the title for the entry (to help out the user).

RBob.

 

Tuner Pro shows the Battery Voltage as byte 24 in the ALDL stream.

I'd like to replace the EGR output at byte 43 with the AFR of the WB.

I can modify the ECU file easily enuf, I am just unsure on how to modify the WB patch to change the output from the Battery to the EGR. thanks, BW

 

F159 is the address that references it in the ALDL code.
So at that address, replace L00A5 with the address of your stored wb_02 value.

Then change EA14 to reference L0051 so your battery volts display again.

-- Joe

 

Thanks, I'll give it a shot later this weekend.. I gotta finish my cousin's Acura (replacing the rear suspension bushings) and Teardown/rebuild ~25 feet of privacy fence for my inlaws.. All of a sudden lilfe's gotten busy... lol BW

 

Which WB patch are you using? I checked Mike's site thinking that it would be there, but there isn't one for the $58 mask.

As for the ECU file I have 151 entries in it and am trying to get it uploaded to Craigs site. Hoping for some feed back on it.

Currently I have not added any of the wastegate parameters. I'll get to those this weekend. Then whatever else folks would like.

I think most will be happy with it. . .

RBob.

 

It's Dig's patch from the SyTy world.

The following is a list of addresses and what to change the contents to in order for the DIY WB sensors to work. This Hack that Dig made actually displays the TRUE air to fuel ratio in the appropriate field in Datamaster or Diacom. This ONLY works with the DIY design WB contollers using the L1H1 WB sensors. Also note that you cannot put the ecm into “test” mode anymore as this code writes over that area. You don’t need to put it into test mode anyway if you are using Promgrammer(thanks Bill) and Datamaster or Diacom anyway. This assumes a starting address of 000000 Hex.

000152:20
0007C2:01,A0
0007DC:01,84
0014C6:86,50,BD,FB,39
003B39:bd,f4,b3,36,37,4f,bd
003B40:f4,b3,b7,01,a0,fe,01,a0,f6,c1,52,bd,f5,99,fd,01
003B50:a0,f6,01,a0,c0,46,24,01,5f,c1,46,25,02,c6,46,ce
003B60:fb,70,3a,a6,00,b7,01,84,33,32,39,01,01,01,01,01
003B70:64,65,65,66,66,67,67,68,68,69,6A,6A,6B,6C,6C,6D
003B80:6D,6E,6F,70,71,71,72,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,78,79
003B90:7A,7B,7B,7C,7D,7E,7F,80,81,82,82,83,84,85,86,87
003BA0:89,8A,8B,8C,8D,8E,8F,90,92,93,95,97,98,9B,9D,9F
003BB0:A2,A5,A7,AA,AD,B0,B3,B9

Dig was explicit about the use of this code. It is NOT to be used for any purpose of monetary gain whatsoever. This code does NOT make the stock ecm use the Vout of the controller to actually CORRECT the A/F ratio. It merely displays the readings in appropriate reference point in the ALDL serial data. VERY important for tuning.

from: http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/chipping/wb.htm

BW

 

That is what I was looking for. I'll reverse engineer it to find out what/how to change the ALDL location to suit and add it to the ECU.

I may even put together an S19 fle so that one doesn't have to do all of that error-prone hex editing.

Thanks,

RBob.

P.S. Anyone know why I can't get an upload to Craigs site w/Netscrap? I have a killer ECU. . . (TIA)

 

The preliminary $58 ECU file I developed is available on Craigs site. Please note that I did not do the wastegate parameters yet. These will be forth-coming, just got a little worn out and left that block for later.

Now, on the bright side, there are 151 entries which cover a lot of the $58 calibration tables.

Take a gander and let me know if there is anything else that I should include. Or if anything doesn't look right. Don't be concerned if some scaling fators do not match what you are used too. This file has been developed with out any input from any other definition files.

The 58rr_v10.ecu file may be found here:

http://www.moates.net/files/58rr_v10.ecu

It is also in the Binary Editor Definitions area. However I have had trouble downloading that particular file.

Note that the '_v10' portion of the filename is the version. This will be updated as required.

Thanks to BW for helping in getting the 58ECU file onto Craigs site.

RBob.

 

Works just fine on the 60 MASK stuff!.
Atta long glance looks fine.

Maybe run the new patch thur an assemblier, and I'll include it in the 60 Source Code?.

 

Looking really good there Rbob :-)

I appreciate it

Now im going to have to call u back so i can turn it into something more understandable for myself lol..

hmmmmm lol going to be fun using TC's Editor to make all the fun stuff that i want work

later
Jeremy

 

I'm confused. Dig's WB patch outputs the WB AFR on the Commanded AFR byte of the ALDL stream (byte 55). The raw WB ADC value is on the desired EGR% byte (byte 42).

Did you change the patch locations or are using a different patch?

RBob.

 

I already reversed it, it may save some time:

===========================================
*
* Really C152
*
000152:20 ; Change to filter coeff
*
* ALDL stream values
*
0007C2:01,A0 ; Change BaseEGR to WideBand A/D
0007DC:01,84 ; Change DesiredAFR to WideBand AFR
*
* Code patch,real physical addr D4C6
*
0014C6:86,50, LDAA #$50 ; Select TPS input
BD,FB,39 JSR FB39 ; Go run WB code
*
* Real physical addr FB39
*
003B39:bd,f4,b3 JSR F4B3 ; Go run A/D for new TPS
36 PSHA ; Save TPS result on stack
37 PSHB ; Save ACC B on stack
4f CLRA ; Select WB input (51k to ground)
bd,F4,B3 JSR F4B3 ; Go run A/D routine
b7,01,a0 STAA WideBandValue ; Raw WB result (Kills filter!)
fe,01,a0 LDX WideBandValue ;
f6,c1,52 LDAB C152 ; filter coeff at '0152'
bd,f5,99 JSR DoLowPassFilter ; go filter
fd,01,a0 STD WideBandValue ;
f6,01,a0 LDAB WideBandValue ;
c0,46 SUBB #$46 ; Subtract table offset
24,01, BCC Addr1 ; Skip if over min

5f, CLRB ; Min table value

Addr1 c1,46 CMPB #$46 ; Check for table max
25,02 BCS Addr2 ;

c6,46 LDAB #$46 ; Load table max (if needed)

Addr2 ce,fb,70 LDX #$FB70 ; WideBandTable address

3a, ABX ; Add adjusted A/D result

a6,00, LDAA 00,X ; Get table value

b7,01,84 STAA WideBandALDL ; Store for ALDL data stream

33 PULB ; Pull off saved ACC B
32 PULA ; Pull off saved ACC A (TPS)
39 RTS ; Return
*
* Take up space
*
01 NOP ; No op
01 NOP ;
01 NOP ;
01 NOP ;
01 NOP ;
*
*
* Really FB70
*
003B70:64,65,65,66,66,67,67,68,68,69,6A,6A,6B,6C,6C,6D
003B80:6D,6E,6F,70,71,71,72,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,78,79
003B90:7A,7B,7B,7C,7D,7E,7F,80,81,82,82,83,84,85,86,87
003BA0:89,8A,8B,8C,8D,8E,8F,90,92,93,95,97,98,9B,9D,9F
003BB0:A2,A5,A7,AA,AD,B0,B3,B9
==============================================


It is esssentially the same code I posted to GMECM about three years ago. The filter routine doesn't work though...

Scot

 

Yes, and he is saving two bytes in the stack area. . . I was wondering if that is why he was overwriting the MSB of the old filtered value. It may be getting wiped else where as the code runs.

RBob.

 

OMG

Wait till u folks see Grumpy's final version of things!

Its almost a plug in play version of source code meets assembly meets Word. It does indeed exist and I am sure the final version will even be neater than the glimpse that I now have currently..

And a gut feeling tells me this is something he has been pushing here for quite awhile(open code, etc). This appears to be a step in that direction as well and I would have to assume leading towards the patch and play method assembling what u need to run your car and only using the pieces beneficial to your application..

The rest will to wait until he releases a final version so stay tuned and hope that he helps us all out.

That Scotsea up there as in 6 spd Imp SS ,Scott? Hi if its you:-)

Later
Jeremy

 

Nope... No changes.. But I "may" be incorrect. I thought it swapped with the battery volts. At least that is what I read.. about a year ago.. oppss.. BW

 

There is a slightly modified version of Dig's '749 WB patch on Craig's site. In the Misc Files area called DIG_WB00.TXT & DIG_WB00.ZIP (only need the zip, the text is included with it).

I eliminated the filter portion as it isn't required. The DIY-WB is filtered along with the MAP2 ECM input having a low pass filter on it.

The patch is setup with an S19 file along with the S19_PAT utility. This patch utility makes it one command line to apply the WB patch to the $58 bin of your choice.

RBob.

 

The latest $58 ECU file has been uploaded to moate's site. It is named: 58RR_V11.ECU

It has 174 individual menu entries that cover much of the calibration data. I have included 6 ALDL locations in order to move the output of Dig's WB patch to any of 3 EGR, airflow, BatV, or the commanded AFR locations.

With the exception of requests I have no plans to add or change anything else.

Have fun,

RBob.

 

THX this will be VERY useful this summer!:hail:

/N.

 

RBob - I am wondering if you could add the constant of the Optical VSS vs the Magnetic VSS, and the Road Speed Constant?

Thanks!
Douglas

 

I'll add the road constant, along with the IP divider term.

The Optical vs Mag, if it is the option bit to select one or the other it is under the Option Flags 3 entry as MGVSS.

If anyone else has any requests, I'm all ears. . .

RBob.

 

You know. It would really be nice if we started a list of members who are running $58, then we can bounce ideas off each other.

-- Joe

 

Not using $58 code yet but will this summer so count me in!

/N.