i figure most of u will just say "search" to this, and screw you if u say that, but i am looking for headers. I need help, i have a 300 dollar price range and they dont have the be shiny or chrome. I have a 91 305 with single cat, i need a y pipe, i cant use the stock crap. I cant weld, and cant really afford to have somone else weld so im wondering if i can bolt this all on. I will also be getting a 3 inch cat and have the 3 inch flowmaster, its just not installed yet. What do you recommend? i need to be able to install it myself, so i guess they need to be shorties....and i need 3 inch y pipe.

thanks to whoever doesnt say search cause the search gives bogus *** results

 

help....

 

Used set of SLP's 1 5/8" would fit your budget. Edelcrops will just rust-away.

 

If you cant find a used set you should save another 200 and get a good set. If you buy a cheap set you will kick yourself later. Also from what you have said you dont want to have to fab to much to make it work go with hooker or slp.

 

Hedman shorties and y pipe fits you price and description.

 

what size is the hedman y pipe? (part number 500-17470?)

 

Hey, maybe you can locate some Edelbrock shortys in the classifieds, or E-Bay. I have a "Y", the only thing is its from a 92 FB, and it is a dual cat set up. The cats were hollowed out, but it was welded up for the Edelbrock headers. I ran this setup several years ago. If you want it I can give it to you for free. Just pay the shipping though.

 

well how long does it take to install headers? what do i have to remove? what are the torque specs? What gaskets do i need? How heavy will the old ones be?

 

Installing headers isn't that bad but it is time consuming. For a first timer you are going to need time and a box of band aids. There are numerous threads about installing headers so a quick search will yeild you the results you are looking for. Some kits come with all the gaskets and such that you need. Mac and the hooker 2055's are ones that come to mind. SLP's are great but you will either have to buy thier install kit or buy separate parts on the side (bolts, gaskets etc). $300 doesn't take you very far when shopping for new headers. $400 is as cheap as you want to spend on a new set. There are cheaper sets like flowtechs, dynomax, summit, and pacesetter but I would avoid them like the plague. They won't last, will leak, and may cause you to go insane. I would look for a used set of hookers, macs, or SLP's or save up another $100.

 

ok, i think im gonna go with hooker headers. There are two types, super comp headers and competition headers. There is a considerable price difference, which should i go with and why? How do i know if it comes with y-pipe and what about ground clearance...will it be an issue? Keep in mind i have a 91 and the part #'s are different for 8something-1990 and 1991-92.

thanks a lot so far guys

 

Since its your first header install... wear GLOVES! I had a pair of welding gloves and it went MUCH easier. Not as many busted knuckles and my hands weren't stained brown for a week.

 

Go with the Super-Comps, the Hooker 2055s. They are probably the best shorty headers out there for 3rd gens.

 

and why not the "competition" headers? will the discolor? flow worse?

and another thing, i was talking so someone a while ago who put headers on a 3rd gen camaro and he said he had to loosen the motor mounts and rock the engine to one side for both manifolds....

i just looked in my engine and the AC compressor thing is going to make this really a b*tch...do i need to remove the AC and heater junk?

 

The Competition headers are pretty much equal to the Super-comps in most areas, except for the y-pipe. The y-pipe has to be bought separately with the Comps and it narrows down to 2 1/2", which you don't want. The Super-Comps already come with the y-pipe and is just overall a better design. It also has the emissions hook-ups, as well.

I couldn't really tell you what will or won't need to be removed. It all depends on the design of the headers. I know you don't want to hear it , but a search will yield some good step-by-steps in the past of header installs with the Hooker 2055s (Super-Comps).

 

and will the hookers rust? are the coated?

 

They shouldn't rust as long as there is some kind of paint or coating on them. They don't come stock with ceramic coating (the paint they put on them will just burn off in about 5 minutes), but Hooker offers a coating on them if you want. Places like Jet-Hot also offer coated 2055s. If you want your headers to last (who doesn't? ), get them ceramic coated.

 

well how much does that add to the price

damn headers

 

Hedman shorties and Y-pipe should fit the bill nicely for you. They are good headers and Y-pipe too, I like mine alot. You'll wait to do they up with some real header paint though.

 

Anywhere from $100 to $200, depending on who coats the headers.

 

All headers will rust over time unless they are made from a certian grade of stainless (the grade escapes me at this time) or if they are coated (certain paints and ceramic coatings). Even SLP headers will rust unless coated.

 

so who else coats headers besides jet hot, u think there will be anyone in my area so i dont have to deal with shipping?

 

It is rare to find a mom and pop shop that does quality exhaust ceramic coating. I recently found one near to where I live but it is very rare. ACS was a site sponser but I am pretty sure people are leery of using them for certian past problems. You can't go wrong with Jet-hot. You get what you pay for when it comes to any facet of headers.

 

i just saw on their website u can order new headers already coated from them...will i end up spending more if i do it that way?

 

eh.. coating..schmoating.. my hookers still have their factory black paint on them.. and have yet to show any bad signs.. i've had them on for almost 3 years now..

 

can u get on AOL for a bit?

 

You will pay less because you will only have to pay shipping charges once. Plus I belive they give TGO members a discount.

 

how hard is it to scrach coated headers??? i put my hedman long tubes in today and scrached the hell out of em, i plan on buying some better ones when i build a motor but i dont want to coat them and then scrach the hell out of em in instalation.

 

ok, how about edelbrock "coated" headers: http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...earchType=Make

how do i know if it has a 3 inch y pipe? Will these rust?

anybody used these headers?

 

The Edelbrock TES y-pipe connects to a 3" inlet cat, but the pipe before that is less than 3". Just like everybody else.

Except Hooker. Hooker 2055 is the only y-pipe that maintains 3" after the two sides come together.

(If you enter your application information into the Summit link you posted, you'll only come up with TPI dual-cat applications or the TBI application. If you have the TPI single-cat, you've got the smaller 2-1/4" cat, not the 3" cat.)

 

i am putting on a 3 inch cat and 3 inch flowmaster kit

edit: sorry about the link above, i tried to post a link of the edelbrock headers...guess it didnt work

 

ok, how about these: http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp in case that link does work (summit seems to be gay w/ links) the part number is edl-68723. Summit says its only for 86-90 cars....why? Will these rust?

 

somone help me please, the car is undrivable and i need to get it done ASAP pleeease

 

The Ti-Tech stuff is fairly new. I haven't heard any reports on it one way or the other.

Those are the proper headers for a 3" cat.

 

ok, i just bought a 3inch cat for my single cat car. It is 16" long and has air tube. Hopefully the y pipe will bolt right up to it

 

The y-pipe should be a slip fit and work with the # you posted. Just did some digging on summit's site, and looks like edelbrock no longer offer regular painted steel headers. After doing 3 sets on 3 different 3rd gens, I know why. RUST RUST RUST. The y-pipe literally fell off one of them (rusted away to nothing). I too know nothing about this coating, but it's got to be better than just plain steel. Also looked and found #68722 that is ceramic coated, but looks like the y-pipe is just painted. It's an extra $50 but might last longer. Eastwood sells some high stainless steel high temp coating you can paint on (#10364Z). Might want to coat the y-pipe with that if it's painted.

 

thanks for the advice, maybe i will be the first person on 3go to get these headers...sux to be the lab rat. If i make some more money i might go with h00kers....

thx so far

 

i think im going to get the Ti-Tech coated edelbrocks. Im calling summit monday. I hope these work out

 

Have you tried pacesetters. I know many of the guys on the board talk **** about them, but if they are installed right, they yield some serious numbers. Plus they would be in your price range.
THat was exactly my price range almost a year ago. So I ordered them from Jcwhitney and got them in great packaging. The whole delivery of them was done in outmost professionalism.
The intallation was a bitch, and due to not having all the freakin' tools I had to take it to a shop. DONT TAKE IT TO A SHOP unless you trust them. They will butcher your headers. Mine was installed wrong, and a 7/16 bolt was put in a place of a 3/8 which was just enough to get stripped. It was to close to the header pipe on the pass. To make the long story short. If you get the pacesetters for 305tpi they would be great up to 450-500 hp. Unless you plan on making more than you would be fine.
If you plan on getting them, make sure you get a good gasket and not necesseraly use the one that comes with the headers. I found that mr.gasket ultraseal gaskets (20bucks) will do the trick much better than the stock ones.
Good luck on whatever you decide on.

P.S. It would be a good idea to remove the AC crap before you put in pass side. Turst me, unless you wanna bleed!

 

I had my pacesetters on a daily driver for about a year now, and they still have black paint on them, and the y-pipe looks strong. It looks like the piping was pretty thick and heavy. Just make sure you install them right. I cant stress that enough.

 

well i dont really need a lot of power and flow from the headers. I just wanna get the exhaust done and im fine spending 4-500 bucks on it. I dont plan on really making much power with this car...i really like the look of headers and since i have 3 inch pipe sitting at home i figure i better just do it all now.

 

ok, today i am ordering EDL-68723. They are the ti-tech coated headers and y pipe by edelbrock. They are made for 86-90 cars i think because those cars had stock 3 inch y pipe (my car is a 91 with 2.5 inch stock but i have 3 inch cat im putting on). Im not sure if these will fit, the only other headers for 89-92 are for TBI cars and have 2.25 colector. I hope these headers will work, if anyone has any objections, plz tell me now!

http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp

and another thing, what gaskets should i get and what spark plug boots do i need? anything else i will need?

 

you're not going to like what they do to the primary tubes at the collectors... they squish the tubes to make them fit the collector good ol edelcrap.. if it doesnt fit FORCE IT and call it a day...

 

see picture... now these are not the exact ones that fit your car.. non the less they represent the same thing what they do to the headers you are going to buy... take a good look at the primary tubes where it meets the collectors... notice they get flat.. yeah.. they squish the damn pipes together to "make them" fit... what a horrible quality

ahahhahaa notice how they even point out "mandrel bent for unrestricted flow." uh right.. too bad it WAS mandrel bent until they squished the damn primary tubes together..

 

forgot to mention.. they even squish the damn Y pipe down near that collector as well....

why would anyone want these Pieces of crap?

 

picture of hookers.. again they are close enough to the 2055's.. notice the primary's at the bottom.. they way they should be..

cant get a good picture of the Y pipe they have.. but its 100% better than edelbrocks..

 

cause i dont give a sh*t about performance, i just want to get my exhaust done relatively cheap without having to fork over bunch of money for coating and what not.

 

you're worried about coating? Edelbrocks coating at that..

well.. you're right.. it will be "cheap".. dont cry when it starts coming off like that other guy on here had problems with a few months ago..

good luck man

wait... you "dont give a "sh*t about performance" yet you're putting on a part that is designed for performance??? that doesnt make sense.. if you dont care about performance.. why worry about headers? then again... why worry about a coated set of headers???

im confused.. and my head hurts


do what you will man..

 

right now there is no exhaust on the car and i dont want the stock manifolds. The Ti Tech coating is very durable and will never rust. There is a warranty on it also. Ive never put headers on a car and need to practice. Some day down the road when i have a beater car i will get into performance. When that happens i plan on doing a 350 swap and i can put good headers on the new motor before i put it in. These headers cant hurt...its like extra credit, it helps if u do it, but wont hurt...

 

hey at least these arent flowtech or summit headers....you'll be happy even with performance i know i was when i took my car to the track and went from 15.4 to 14.9

 

i guess my point is... why buy headers twice.. he's planning on eventually going to a bigger engine.. no point in wasting money with having to buy 1 set now.. and 1 set in the future.. well all know prices go up.. not down..