91rsowner4life

well i have been reading the recent thread titled "The Last Thirdgen Made -Would you pay $50,000" and it got me thinking who has the first thirdgen? is it in a GM warehouse? or does a camaro collector have it in his garage? or was it sold to the public and is it in the big salvage yeard in the sky? man it would be cool if it was still around and could get some pics of it with that last 1992 z28. so does anyone know where the first thirdgen is?

nick418

Dude u read my mind! I was thinking this the other day when i was reading about the last 3rd gen ever made.. I was asking myself what would be worth more.. The 1st 3rd gen built or the last one? Where is the 1st 3rd gen anyways? Prob in the junkyard...

MNformula350

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More than likely they are still owned by Pontiac/Chevrolet, and kept squirreled away somewhere.

kretos

i'd put money on that.

Greg99LS1

I'd call Guldstrand Engineering and ask Dick what happened to that car (a gold Z28)....it's doubtful he still has it, but he might know what later became of the car.

transam84

are you saying the first 3rd gen built is a gold Z28? how did you find this out ??

Greg99LS1

Yes, it was in a hot Rod magazine article back in the July 1982 issue about a "suspension shootout" between Dick Guldstrand's gold Z28 and Herb Adams' Trans Am vs a Mustang and Mercury Capri....

The magazine had staged a shootout a year earlier, in June 1981 with 2nd Gen Camaros, but this one was with the new 3rd Gens plus the Ford & Mercury.

One thing I do remember clearly after 23 years, is that Guldstrand's Z28 was the very first one made.

The handling was the HUGE thing in '82 (since you couldn't do much under the hood), so I guess the guys at Chevrolet wanted to see just how much cornering capability that Guldstrand (an old road racer) could wring out of the new 3rd Gen platform....

91rsowner4life

well i just e-mailed him lets see what he has to say. i can not weight to see what he has to say.

Greg99LS1

That ought to be interesting......

I also did some research and found out what issues of Hot Rod that I'd seen those articles in, and updated my previous message.

91rsowner4life

cool that helps a little bit. would you be able to scan and post the magazine article?

Greg99LS1

I don't actually have the issue anymore.....but I found which one the article was from at:

http://usedmagazines.com/titles/HotRod/1982/

I might order that.....it would cool to read an article from when I was 20!

Tongi

I think first T-A's are distroyed by universal studios..

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=254671

82knightrider

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yup

91rsowner4life

yea i did i search and found that i was woundering if that was the same one you where talking about.

Tongi so are you saying the firs thirdgen ever mad is a firebird? or are you just talking about the first TA's?

82knightrider

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Hes talkin bout the 1st TA's

aaron7

iTrader: (7)

When was it made? Probably Sept/Oct 81 right?

91rsowner4life

well i took a look at my copy of "camaro the third generation" and it says there where 89 pilot camaros bilt by hand to see how they need to be perduced. full scale production of the 1982 camaro began at Van Nyus on Oct. 12, 1981 and Norwood exactly two weeks later on the 26th. it also says the first cars off the assembly line ment various GM divisions for durability testing, emissions certification, photography by Chevrolet sales staff and Cambell-Ewald advertiseing agency and for export to over seas divishion to modfy for local markets.

man i have not looked at this book for a fue months and i for got how much i loved this book!

DanTheMan_smlk

woah woah woah...where did you get this book??? I want one

3rdgenparts

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I was lucky to get Vin #'s for the first '82 Firebird S/E and Trans Am.If I remember correctly the S/E was last registered in the L.A area 4 years ago and the last 82 T/A built was in New Jersey somewhere.


On a separate note Here in Oklahoma City last year,I saw a blue base Non-WS6 82 Trans Am at a auto shop.I talked to the owner,But it wasn't for sale To bad cause the car had the lowest Vin I have seen it ended in 500602.


I'll have to dig up the reports

<<Dave

91rsowner4life

well i never heard back form Dick Guldstrand. i e-mailed the e-mail address on the web site any one got any other ideas?

pennylessz28

More than likely the first thirdgen is trash. As GM usually scraps the mules.

Sometimes them keep them, rarely. Although the first one off the assembly line probably is owned by an GM exc or collector, or in a junk yard.

Smack

this might be a little off topic but does anyone have any pics of the third gen concepts cars?

DanTheMan_smlk

they probably didnt make a concept vehicle. Its more common to make a concept for a brand new car name than one thats already out

Firebreed

or crushed

kanuck

Here's a Firebird or T/A Concept. Note the 2nd gen wheels and ?mirrors? Headlight covers are a little different too.

DanTheMan_smlk

what kind of concept is that....

Firebreed

i likey

DanTheMan_smlk

nasty

Smack

It has the 2nd gen turbo wheels and the second gen mirrors the mirrors look out of place on that body style. Also FYI, the 2nd gen Trans Am prototype had a formula ram air hood instead of the shaker hood. Just a little Trans Am trivia for you.

David M

I had previously posted an answer to this on another thread "The last thirdgen". Guilstrands gold Z28 has to be one of the following VIN's
LG4 (305 carb) 1G1AP87HXCL100001
LU5 (305 CFI) 1G1AP8770CL100001
I can't remember what engine the car had from the article.
Carfax both VIN's and see what comes up!

David

91rsowner4life

i did the free search to see if they had any records of the car and both vin#'s do not have any records. i wounder why theres no records to be found?

RichSoucie

it has to be cause they were never registered just keep adding 1 number to the vin and see what you come up with

Asdfga3

Can't do that. Check digit will come out wrong.

90TA

You will also need to try each engine code.

The 3rd Pontiac was a 2.8 Firebird, scrapped almost 10 years ago with 115K on it.
1G2AS8712CL500003

Anyone got an explaination for these?

1G2AS871XCN500061
1G2AS8729CN500061
1G2AS8724CL500061

Both factories used the same sequence numbers. That we know. But one factory using the same sequence number on 2 different cars. Carfax confirms each one. This is just one example; there are many others.

Asdfga3

Assuming that they started at xxxxx1, you could reverse-calculate the check digit for each engine code. Then run all three VINs against CarFAX to see if you get a hit.

Of course this would require someone with much more spare time than I.

90TA

It would be a lot of fun on a Pontiac F-Bodies VIN. You would also need to figure each of the 3 model codes (AS,AX,AW) with each engine code. You could calculate 10 VIN's for each sequence number, but only one would be legit and may not even have any record on Carfax.

91rsowner4life

how did you find out it was the 3rd firebird made?
also is that the earlest vin number anyone has seen on an 1982 firebird.

whats the earliest 1982 vin number for camaro?

BruceEmbry

High all,
I have quick question.
The last 6 digits of my 82 Firebird's Vin is 504386. Does this mean that there are 4385 Third Gens made before mine including both Camero and Firebirds? Or does it mean that they are 4385 Third-Gen Firebirds made before mine?

The ship ment date to the dealer is 12-23-81.

90TA

Only that approximately 4385 Firebird line models were made before yours from that particular assembly plant. Yours being Norwood. What is the build week code on your cowl plate (numbers between the "C" and "FS87" on the top line).

90TA

By 500003 being the sequence number, and since Van Nuys started production before Norwood, would make it the 3rd Third Gen made.

BruceEmbry

My car was built at Van Nuys. From my build sheet(I have recovered two of them), the build date is listed as 12-21. The complete vin number is 1G2AS87H2CL504386......

I think that we need to start an third-gen registry to track all of the cars that are in existance.

90TA

Oops. Sorry about that. I was looking at the VIN ending 04385 (Norwood Firebird, Van Nuys Trans Am), instead of 04386 (Firebirds at both plants). Your Norwood counterpart was a 2.8.

Ouch. Your car was built on a Monday. Does your cowl plate say "C 12D"?

BruceEmbry

Ya I know that my car was built on Monday. But since the entire power tran except for the ring and pinon is all new now, it doesn't matter any more. Anyway the cowl plate says "C 12C". What does that mean. Does "C" means that they started the car the week before and finished on Monday. Now I know why there was some problems with the car when it was new.

Where did that Norwood 2.8 car end up at. If its Harrisonburg Va, then thats the V6 car I test drove, before I test drive my car in early Jan 1982.

How do you know all about the different cars!

dcd2236

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being a knight rider fan. the first 2 firebirds off the assembly line went to glen larson and his bunch when knight rider first went to production. pontiac was so anxious to get this new thirdgen model to market, what better way to market it then letting the first ones be in a hit tv series.

1991L98G92

I remeber going to Universal Studios years back when Backdraft was the new exhibit. They had Kitt there. You could sit in and talk to it. Someone somewhere with a radio would answer you. But anyway, the thing I noticed most was the driver seat was rebolted all the way back to the rear seat. Probably due to the height of David Hassellhof. I thought back and don't remember seeing anyone sitting behind him???? Has anyone else been there and seen the car?