Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

To me it seems the buyer knew the shop/seller thats sold him the engine and got special treatment. Thats how I am seeing it. Basically sells 8-10 engines a month. Has pull with blueprint to get a new engine vs replacing head gasket. Kind of a conundrum here. Blueprint sends a motor to somone else with a simaler situation but denies this guy. This engine blows a head gasket and it looks like it was on a power adder. But I have to ask with that kind of detonation. Can we see pics of the spark plugs or piston tops of those adjoining cylinders? That will give some more insight. Heavy power adder detonation will break the rings lands and or skirts. More info and pics is needed.

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

Are the pistons cast or forged in this motor?

Originally Posted by red rock

Quote; The only time I have seen a gasket and head look like that was with a Horrible
Nitrous Tune or crappy boost tunes on them or beat on before the tune.

Quote; I have a buddys brother that broke one recently he pulled the motor and sent it back to blue print instead of taking it to a shop. they sent him another complete motor no issues no questions asked. His actually had blown a head gasket as well.

But jojo1590's motor was blown up by him and his tuner. So your buddies brother blew a head gasket and they replaced the whole motor?

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

To me it seems the buyer knew the shop/seller thats sold him the engine and got special treatment. Thats how I am seeing it. Basically sells 8-10 engines a month. Has pull with blueprint to get a new engine vs replacing head gasket. Kind of a conundrum here. Blueprint sends a motor to somone else with a simaler situation but denies this guy. This engine blows a head gasket and it looks like it was on a power adder. But I have to ask with that kind of detonation. Can we see pics of the spark plugs or piston tops of those adjoining cylinders? That will give some more insight. Heavy power adder detonation will break the rings lands and or skirts. More info and pics is needed.

Originally Posted by Gibbyzracing

Actually The buddy bought the engine and installed it his self and un installed it his self. He called blue print told them what it did the tech he spoke with told him to pull the plugs and antifreeze came out boom theres a issue. Then He said what do I do they told him to pull it crate it and send it back. Well I mean the OP said he asked if it was ok for the shop his car was at to do the work and then blue print said sure. So then at that point he was only getting parts not the whole engine.

Originally Posted by red rock

I understand your a Blueprint employee, and i also understand you trying to make this situation better from all angles, but what i don't understand is Blueprint gave jojo1590 the okay to have a shop tear it down and look at it and because of that Blueprint will only replace the malfunctioned parts. Then you have a guy who installed and took out his own engine and a Blueprint tech tells him to pull a plug and antifreeze comes out and Blueprint believes that guy, but then thinks jojo1590 must have had bad detonation because of a possible power adder to blow his gasket and head. It just doesn't sound good to me. If Blueprint can diagnose a motor over the phone with one guy, why can't they with another. And that's what a lot of the bad rap that Blueprint get's is inconsistency on how they handle some problems. It sounds like to me the 2 biggest sellers of these motors are price and warranty. But if some people get a run around on a issue, they tend to get soured real quick. As far as I'm concerned you probably have a good business, but customer service can make or break a business also.

Originally Posted by Gibbyzracing

Yes because at the end if I sell 200 motors and have 2 or 3 break that's not bad. And at the end of the day the warranty is through them. I work for a very well known mail order company and sell multiple Blue print engines a week. and all the ones I have known of a issue blue print has fixed. I have a buddys brother that broke one recently he pulled the motor and sent it back to blue print instead of taking it to a shop. they sent him another complete motor no issues no questions asked. His actually had blown a head gasket as well.

Originally Posted by -=Z28=-

How come no one else picked up on this. OP says he brought the car/engine to not one, or two, but three different shops, who ALL dynoed it, with out knowing it was only running on 6 cylinders?????? ( op says they thought it was running funny) What kind of shops are these? If my or any engine I'm working on is missing or only running x amount of cylinders, its pretty obvious.

When there is something wrong with an engine, you dont keep driving it or having it dynoed... esp 3 times... I'm surprised there isnt more damage...

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

The difference is Gibbzy sells 8-10 blueprint engines a month and the customer was a friend. He got special treatment. Thats about it. There is the difference.

Originally Posted by red rock

I understand your a Blueprint employee, and i also understand you trying to make this situation better from all angles, but what i don't understand is Blueprint gave jojo1590 the okay to have a shop tear it down and look at it and because of that Blueprint will only replace the malfunctioned parts. Then you have a guy who installed and took out his own engine and a Blueprint tech tells him to pull a plug and antifreeze comes out and Blueprint believes that guy, but then thinks jojo1590 must have had bad detonation because of a possible power adder to blow his gasket and head. It just doesn't sound good to me. If Blueprint can diagnose a motor over the phone with one guy, why can't they with another. And that's what a lot of the bad rap that Blueprint get's is inconsistency on how they handle some problems. It sounds like to me the 2 biggest sellers of these motors are price and warranty. But if some people get a run around on a issue, they tend to get soured real quick. As far as I'm concerned you probably have a good business, but customer service can make or break a business also.

Originally Posted by mikeceli

Did Blue Print Engine reps know the "broke" engine was from your "buddy"?

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

Blueprint didnt cover this blown headgasket but warrenties the full motor of a vendors friend. Easy to figure out.

Originally Posted by Gibbyzracing

Actually hard to figure out that He called them and did it all his self. He never got any special treatment period. He don't what his paper work told him to do when installing the complete carb to pan 383 he bought. It was he went about it the correct way. He called told them he had a issue and then the rep he spoke with got it all taken car of for him.

Originally Posted by Gibbyzracing

No sir... I don't work with any of the vendors that we carry. I am just a technical support guy in a large mail order company. I don't know anyone at any of the vendors we carry

Originally Posted by Gibbyzracing

No as I don't work for a small company or a independent company. I work for a Huge mail order company I personally sell 8/10 a month but I also didn't have any say in anything he come into the retail side of the company I work for and talked them. They gave him blue prints info and told him to call them since that is who handled the warranty. Its not like its a shop I work for Not one person at blue print knows who I am. I am literally a no body in this company... I couldn't get anyone to help like that if I tried.

Originally Posted by jojo1590

"Yes Im a internet expert. I deal with blue print daily and several people have issues because of issues but things happen."

If you sell 8-10 Blueprint engines a month and deal with them daily as you stated above, then how can not one person at Blueprint know who you are? If someone sold ~$30,000 of Blueprint's product per month and dealt with Blueprint daily, then Blueprint would know exactly who that sales person was.

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

How are your tech support if your selling 8-10 engines a month?

Here is what I dont understand. Almost all interactions Ive seen from people that work for big name companies in the car buisness usually stay neutral or out of a situation all together. Putting your imput or opinion on a subject may or may not put your employer in the spotlight good or bad. In this situation the planets are aligned to make your employer look bad. It makes it seem like employees of Jegs get special treatment for certain people. You do what you like. Your a grown man like me I assume. But when you work for a big company like Jegs and a situation comes up like this its better to sit on the sidelines or give general opinions on the matter. To take sides or show bias doesnt make the company you work for look good. Your hammering the guys tuner and him. If a customer bought a blueprint engine today and same situation came up and he called Jegs tech would this be the treatment he or she would be given? So one blown headgasket is not like the other? Blown headgasket is a blown headgasket, no difference. Only difference is one is your "buddy" and one is not.

Originally Posted by jojo1590

This is a warning to stay away from Blueprint engines. In summary, Blueprint Engines did not honor their labor commitment in their warranty. Blueprint engines did not communicate to me in a professional or timely manner; I had to reach out to them every time to get an update.

I purchased a Blueprint engines crate engine (BP35512CT1) from Summit racing in 2015. I went with Blueprint because of the warranty and the horsepower ratings (402hp). I had a professional shop do the entire installation, and made sure that all the installation and break-in procedures were followed. Furthermore, all maintenance procedures have been followed.

When I got the car dynoed by a reputable/esteemed local race shop, the wheel horsepower was much lower than I expected, around 250whp. So a few months later, I got it tuned by another reputable/esteemed race shop, and same thing, wheel horsepower was around 240. I took it to another reputable/esteemed race shop a few months later for a dyno tune, and once again, wheel horsepower was around 240. I had always attributed it to the 700r4 and IRS stealing all the power. I had called Blueprint engines to ask about the lower than expected horsepower and was told that it was because of a “loose converter.”

The last two shops that tuned the engine had both pointed out that engine wasn’t running quite right. I always attributed the rough idling to the cam specs, because AFR, timing, etc. was always on point. The last shop ran a compression test, and cylinders #6 and #8 had 0 compression. That explained the missing 80 horsepower from what I was originally expecting.

I called Blueprint engines to file a warranty claim, explain the situation, and authorize work on the car. Blueprint engines authorized the shop to do the work, so the shop took off the heads and saw a blown head gasket between 6 and 8, as well as two little grooves between the combustion chambers of 6 and 8. The block was undamaged, and the pistons and spark plugs were all in good shape, with no signs of melting or damage. The only damage was in the aluminum head between combustion chambers of cylinders 6 and 8. I did some searching and found that Blueprint Engines uses China head castings. Three separate mechanical engineers, and two separate mechanics told me that the damage was due to either a casting error or improper torque sequencing.

When I spoke with Ken, the warranty rep, on the phone, he explained that Blueprint Engines would ship a new head and a shipping label to return the damaged head back to Blueprint Engines. Ken said that Blueprint Engines would perform an inspection on the head to see what caused the damage.

After waiting with no word from Blueprint Engines for 2 weeks, I called Blueprint Engines and was told that the cylinder head was being built. Blueprint engines sent a new cylinder head 3 weeks after the old head had been removed. That surprised me because they are readily available at Jegs, Summit, etc., so the inventory should have been large enough to ship quickly. The old head was returned to Blueprint Engines. I paid the local shop up front for the labor, and I must give them the highest accolades for their professionalism and service; they were always prompt and great at communicating. I got all of my updates through the local shop, not Blueprint Engines. The local shop called me every step of the way and updated me on their progress, but I had to reach out to Blueprint Engines for any updates at all.

After waiting 3 more weeks after the installation and no word from Blueprint Engines, I called Blueprint Engines for an update. The customer service rep told me that the head had not been inspected, and took a message to have Ken call me back. Ken called me back a few hours later, saying that the part had been inspected. Ken repeatedly called me by the wrong name “Dave”, accused me of negligence, stated that Blueprint Engines will not pay for the labor, and that he hopes that the car was tuned right this time. He directly insulted me by calling me the wrong name while reading my reference file, and also insulted my installation mechanic and all three respectable dyno tuners by saying that it was not tuned correctly in the past. All procedures outlined by Blueprint Engines were followed from the start by ASE certified technicians.

I am disgusted by Blueprint Engines’ quality and service. I purchased their engine because of the warranty and “value”, unfortunately having disregarded others’ previous bad experiences with Blueprint Engines that I had read. I was without my only car for 6 weeks and am left with a bill of almost $1000 because Blueprint Engines did not stand up to their word and did not do the right thing. After this ordeal with Blueprint Engines, I have spent the same amount of money to get a GM crate motor, which would not have had the quality issues that I experienced. Please learn from my ordeal and stay away from Blueprint Engines.

Originally Posted by Dyno Don

The last one I dealt with ran alright but they sold him a L98 replacement engine
that came with TBI truck heads, a flat tappet cam on 110 LSA in a roller block.

That's not good.

Originally Posted by Arctic White 91 RS

My previous next door neighbor had swapped a Blueprint 383 into his 3rd gen Camaro. It held together. It survived a carb tuning fiasco when AutoZone sent the wrong carb. It ran for a year or so without an air filter. I always thought the car sounded rough but learned the owner didn't want to spend big bucks for a new Y pipe so the exhaust was sort off half cut out half y pipe and muffler. I talked with the mechanic that did the swap and he said the. Blueprint 383 engine was pretty good for the cost and he didn't have any issues with swap other than the wrong carb from AutoZone.

Originally Posted by 88 350 tpi formula

Im glad someone caught this as well.. these guys never noticed it had a misfire on two cylinders? LOL

OP keeps tossing ASE around like it means something.. ive been ASE master cert and L1 for many years , never once failed a test which is more than most guys can say and tell you the truth the tests are easy.. multiple choice tests. i deal with other techs all day at my job who try to tell me ase this and that.. I laugh and tell them to rub their patch on the car and maybe it will fix the issue they cant figure out.

I deal with techs who tell me they have been doing this for 30 years yet they cant figure out the simplest problems.

no one is perfect everyone makes mistakes so how do you know the first guy didnt pop the headgasket? lean too much timing it only takes once and its hurt. then you have the blow torch burning that head

Originally Posted by red rock

Yes, at least I read his post;

[When I got the car dynoed by a reputable/esteemed local race shop, the wheel horsepower was much lower than I expected, around 250whp. So a few months later, I got it tuned by another reputable/esteemed race shop, and same thing, wheel horsepower was around 240. I took it to another reputable/esteemed race shop a few months later for a dyno tune, and once again, wheel horsepower was around 240. I had always attributed it to the 700r4 and IRS stealing all the power. I had called Blueprint engines to ask about the lower than expected horsepower and was told that it was because of a “loose converter.”

The last two shops that tuned the engine had both pointed out that engine wasn’t running quite right. I always attributed the rough idling to the cam specs, because AFR, timing, etc. was always on point. The last shop ran a compression test, and cylinders #6 and #8 had 0 compression. That explained the missing 80 horsepower from what I was originally expecting]

You can also see, he called Blueprint and they said it "it was because of a loose converter". The damaged gasket could also been cause from it not being torqued to spec from Blueprint, a faulty casting in the head, a damaged and over looked gasket from install, The point is, unless you were there, or heard it run from the beginning, there is no way to diagnose it after the fact from the internet. We can only go by what has been said. And like you said "OP keeps tossing ASE around like it means something.. ive been ASE master cert and L1 for many years", so why should we believe you? It's a gasket and maybe a $200 head, I don't think that's the issue, It's the labor cost from the OP and the wait he had that was the problem.

Originally Posted by IROCZ1989

People will skip the local machine shop to get a "good deal" on a blueprint engine because it has a "warrenty" and stated hp ratings. The motors are put together as cheap as possible. Head are china garbage with cheap valves, studs,rockers and springs. Valves are junk too. Whole casting should be a doorstop. But you cant tell that to the ebay and bargain shoppers. In terms of motors you really do get what you pay for and you need to do your research. Warrenty dosesnt mean squat when you have to ship stuff back and forth and are at the mercy of bluprints final ruling. Buy american, spend your money local if you can and stop sending money to china.

Originally Posted by red rock

This is a bad comment to make after all your troubles and problems, and I truly feel bad for you, but, HP cost money. There are many threads on here and other forums about BP motors. I'm surprised that Summit or anyone even sells their products. Even a few bad ones out of a hundred is not a good percentage in my book.

Originally Posted by Justin Caskey

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Blueprint engine blocks are CAST AND MACHINED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. FACT.


QUIT SPREADING LIES


And you guys act like blueprint is the only company to deny a warranty. Lol. Hardly. It's obvious you guys are just the average public and not involved in the aftermarket automotive industry whatsoever. You don't have a clue.

Ask someone who does this for a living. Ask the machine shop that checked the block vs a brodix and found no differences. Don't trust the guy in a 89 camaro looking to replace his engine as cheap as possible and has a limited working knowledge of engines.

Seriously. This thread is so full of misinformation it's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Abubaca

...and here I thought I was having a bad weekend.....then this thread comes back to life. Where's that dead horse smiley? ...look guys I SWEAR it was an 86 L98 car. My uncles brother wouldn't lie. LOL...someone shoot me.



...see it's funny because.....oh heck, nevermind.