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Old 05-14-2013, 09:14 AM   #1
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700r4 toggle switch lockup

Seems to be a million options on the market for wiring up your 700r4 to lockup after removing the computer. Been doing some research on this and need a clear answer here:

The pigtail on the outside of the case has three wires. I read somewhere you can take this pigtail, and ground one of the wires, and the other one you wire to a 12v fused switch. Then you flip the switch on when you want lockup in 4th. Then the third wire Im not sure, I guess you leave it alone?

My question being is this accurate information? I realize a lot of people would opt for the kit and have it be done with, but this could buy me some time...Right now Im doing a lot of all around driving, so wiring it as mentioned above and only switching on lockup in 4th will be fine to keep my tranny from burning up? I know its gonna be a pain to rely on a switch, braking could stall the motor, etc, but like I said I just need to buy some time.

By the way its an 87 700r4
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

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Seems to be a million options on the market for wiring up your 700r4 to lockup after removing the computer. Been doing some research on this and need a clear answer here:

The pigtail on the outside of the case has three wires. I read somewhere you can take this pigtail, and ground one of the wires, and the other one you wire to a 12v fused switch. Then you flip the switch on when you want lockup in 4th. Then the third wire Im not sure, I guess you leave it alone?

My question being is this accurate information? I realize a lot of people would opt for the kit and have it be done with, but this could buy me some time...Right now Im doing a lot of all around driving, so wiring it as mentioned above and only switching on lockup in 4th will be fine to keep my tranny from burning up? I know its gonna be a pain to rely on a switch, braking could stall the motor, etc, but like I said I just need to buy some time.

By the way its an 87 700r4
Depends on your setup. If it's Normally Open or Normally Closed that will affect your wiring. Lockup Switch is fine for limited use, but I wouldn't want to have to deal with constantly for street use. I even ran in non-lockup for awhile. Just too mushy feeling for street use IMO.

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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Thanks for the info. I researched my options most of the day. What I came out with was fairly simple. Wire 12v + wire (constant power with key on) to a toggle switch, then wire the other lead from the switch to terminal A on the pigtail outside of the case. The other two wires on the trans. case pigtail get spliced together. I used a lighted switch, so the third terminal on the switch goes to ground.

Yes i need to rely on manually switching the trans in and out of lockup, but this configuration does work. I have a tci kit sitting on the kitchen table but it seems too complicated for me to wire correctly.

So as i stand, i can lock my converter up in 2nd 3rd and overdrive. Still have one remaining question however... For in town driving I don't seem to have the need to lock up the converter. On the highway it is definitely beneficial when im in overdrive. Is this basically the just of it? In otherwords, will I be doing any damage operating my lockup switch in this manner? (using it only on the highway in OD) From my understanding lockup is only needed in overdrive on distance drives to keep the trans. from getting into high operating temps. Seeking insight/comments please
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

If you already have a kit bought I would just take it to the local transmission shop if they are decent and pay to put it in. Even if it costs $60-$100 it would be far better than a toggle setup. Safer and less of a chance of messing up a transmission from forgetting to unlock the converter.

Depending on your converter you might not notice the lockup in town. Mine was 2400 RPM spec'd on the normal 350 so it is already flashing higher now. Slipping to close to 3000 RPM as I go through town (3.23 gears) was pretty noticeable. Now it will lockup even around 30 MPH.

I don't know which 4th gear pressure switch you have, but if you wire A to power all the time you will bypass your brake switch. Which can be dangerous if you happen to have to jab the brakes while you're under lockup.

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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Cool man. So I only need lockup on the highway?

Intown around here consists of like first gear, 5 mph, stop and go..Maybe in the woods when Im doing a constant 40 in third with noone infront of me Ill hit the switch and it wont feel like its lugging too low.

Just worried about damaging the trans. The car runs really cool anyways, everywhere. Only time it hits 220 is in a drive through. 150-160 everywhere else (ol' trusty gm temp gauge) And I should throw in...The only time I have ever felt excessive 'slipping' is on the highway, doing about 70, with no lockup. This is also the only time Im ever at a constant speed in a constant gear.

So my understanding goes, with my high rear end gears, town im driving it, etc etc, that the lockup is really only needed on the highway. If the computer was hooked up and everything was functioning as it were from the factory, I dont think the lockup would even be kicking in at all with the town driving im doing and trying to explain. Could someone please touch on this? Lockup would only be crucial at a constant speed in a constant gear and not kicking in little or at all if you are constantly changing gears, rpms, and speeds, and lots of times in first gear anyway.

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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Yes to all the above.

I ran mine without lockup for at least 6-7 years with no ill effects; I basically do no extended 4th gear cruising. Then threw in a toggle for a year or so, which I rarely remembered to use. Then formalised it with an automatic circuit, which is lucky if it engages for more than 2 minutes total during my typical 45-60 min commutes.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

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Been doing some researchWhat I came out with was fairly simple.
Wire 12v + wire (constant power with key on) to a toggle switch, then wire to terminal A on the outside of the case.
The other two wires on the trans case pigtail get spliced together

braking could stall the motor,
You already have all the supply wiring needed in place.
The stock fused 12 V supply to the trans plug ,through the brake switch that will disconnect the lockup when your foot is on the brake as in the stock setup .

All you do is connect the tan / blk wire from the trans plug (that used to go to the computer ) to ground through your switch.
Do not connect the 3rd blue wire to anything
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Thanks for the input guys. Ive been going on some open-road test cruises and Im finding the lockup to be beneficial in 2nd and 3rd. It has a lot of extra low end pull with the lockup on. So some questions have surfaced Id like to have resolved:

Say this were a factory setup that hadn't been altered with from the factory..

1. Does lockup ever come on in 2nd and 3rd or only OD?
2. Does lockup stay on during gear changes (up and down) or does it shut off
3. Does lockup come on during WOT or does it shut off (if you were in lockup and went to WOT would it stay on or shut off)


Hopefully someone can answer these questions. Thanks in advance.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

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Thanks for the input guys. Ive been going on some open-road test cruises and Im finding the lockup to be beneficial in 2nd and 3rd. It has a lot of extra low end pull with the lockup on. So some questions have surfaced Id like to have resolved:

Say this were a factory setup that hadn't been altered with from the factory..

1. Does lockup ever come on in 2nd and 3rd or only OD?
2. Does lockup stay on during gear changes (up and down) or does it shut off
3. Does lockup come on during WOT or does it shut off (if you were in lockup and went to WOT would it stay on or shut off)


Hopefully someone can answer these questions. Thanks in advance.
1.) I'm not for sure but I was thinking it was around 35 mph to 40 mph. So it could happen in 3rd at light throttle.

2.) I would think it would unlock during gear changes to allow slip like a normal manual clutch does.

3.) It should unlock under throttle, braking, and etc.

The reason you don't want it to lockup fully under heavy throttle or WOT is the fact most converters aren't made with a clutchpack to support it due to the added stress. There are some like the vigilante that offer a multiple disk clutch upgrade to allow for it but that's a few hundred extra option.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Ok. The TCI kit, for instance, gives directions on how to install their kit, and also how to hook up a switch as an optional. They say for "towing, etc" which made me think of the Tow/haul button on a pickup. Am I on the right path here?

If you were at the strip, would you run button off the entire way down or at any point would you turn the lockup on, or vise versa? Comments please
How would factory lockup react to WOT at dead stop through all four gears. Would it stay off the entire time?
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Button off. You might see a potential gain on high end but doubt it would be very noticeable.
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How would factory lockup react to WOT at dead stop through all four gears.
Would it stay off the entire time?
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If you were at the strip, would you at any point turn the lockup on,
I know at least one racer who engages the lockup as soon as he engages 2nd gear and claims consistently better ET's from the reduced convertor slippage
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He has a aftermarket high stall racing convertor ( that slips more than a stock convertor ) with HD lockup clutch in it

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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Mine is on a toggle swtich. Some say it is a pain but with my cam pulling so low vacuum I need to lock it some how and this is the only way. A lot of times if I am just cruising I will leave it locked so when it goes into 4th gear it immediately locks the converter. Keep in mind when it goes into 4th I am not beating on it with it locking automatically.

BTW I only have 4th gear lockup in my tranny.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

To add a little more about the question of factory lockup in 3rd, yeah, at light throttle they do lock up in 3rd. Mine still has the factory lockup function and I feel it lock up a lot of times when I'm cruising nice and easy around 35-40 mph.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

I have mine on a toggle switch, for some reason it doesn't want to lock up on it's own some times. ('7730 ecm, $A1 code with all factory lockup settings).

My converter stalls around 4500, it's handy in town to be able to lock it up whenever. At the track I don't though, tried it but ran slower.
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

I'm just curious...
What's the purpose of this lock up kit? The factory 3rd and 4th lock up is not enough?
Is it for running faster?
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

The majority of us are doing our own lockups due to it no longer being done by the ecm (carb swap).
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

[quote=fireturd350;5567942]The majority of us are doing our own lockups due to it no longer being done by the ecm (carb swap).[/QUOTE

Now I've got the point. Thank you
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

Hey brother,

am there with you. I just lost 3 and 4 on my 700. Did a good job stock for 13 years after I put a zz4 in front. I do have a toggle switch that shuts down the TCC in the first three. Overdrive always overrides the switch so I have TCC in overdrive. But since I rarely post,,,, when available funds come my way,,,how are those vigilante converters doing on this board?
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Re: 700r4 toggle switch lockup

90 IROC TPI with mods running low 13's. I engage lockup in second at the strip and pickup a tenth thru the quarter. Also daily driving, I pickup about 2 mpg with lockup.
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