wellington

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montr...6-090911200e96



it would be pretty cool if these actual get sold and work.

87_Z28_350

That would kick ***.

wellington

imagine the performance gains from this too. pumping pure hydrogen and oxygen into the intake would be like running
nos at all times.

more hp and more mpg?

this guys is gonna be rich.

imagine a 50hp boost and 35mpg in a v8!!!!!

and little four bangers will be getting 45-50mpg!!!!

i allways said hybrids were stupid,now they are obsolete.
that sure didnt take long.

jandl22

That sounds like an idea that we all need, and we all have been waiting for, for a long time. Imagine no more darn emissions testing, great MPG and more horses for my 4 banger. But you know the government will find a way to combat this great product. Gas @ $15 a gallon etc. Let’s hope this product works as they say, and is affordable. I will definitely invest in one.

wellington

yeah,big oil will be pissed if this guy has his way.

everyone who owns a car will buy one if they are under $2000.


this would be the first mod anyone would do with a car,people without one would be laughed at as being dinosaurs.

he also has big money corprate backers who see the new fuel mileage market,and they intend to cash in.

JDF-Z28

Kind of expensive if it will work. That would have made a 2002 Camaro SS cost 40K new. Ouch.

jandl22

I bet if these work they could be massed produced for a couple of bux's, sold for a reasonable price like maybe a couple hundred or less and the guy would still make a killing. It stated that he is more interested in the credits than the money on the product. Let's hope.

Nixon1

Let's just hope big money doesn't get rights to the technology and f---- us all...

werks

I am a mechanical engineer with a concentration in automotive powertrain. I have to say that this has story has a lot of holes in it to say the least. I dont want to go through everything but I am very sceptical. Here are some of the points that i thought of while reading it.
(1) "Most internal combustion engines operate at about 35 per cent efficiency. This means that only 35 per cent of the fuel is fully burned. The rest either turns to carbon corroding the engine or goes out the exhaust pipe as greenhouse gases."

1: Yes most IC engines are approximately 35% effecient but this DOES NOT mean that the COMBUSTION is 35% eff. or that only 35% of the fuel is burned.
2. Carbon does not corrode engines
3. According to this statment 65% of fuel is turned into carbon or Greenhouse gases. This is entirely not true.
4. This statement says nothing about the energy content of the fuel

(2) "It also means less engine maintenance and oil changes."

1. Why? If anything it will be more maintainance. Hydrogen is extremely difficult to store and transport ie. fuel lines and gas tanks. Granted William's design "creates" the hydrogen near the engine so storage isnt much of an issue but the fuel lines leading from the unit and the resulting connectors will require regular inspections and maintainance. Not to mention that hydrogen is EXTREMELY explosive and a small leak would be very dangerous. Ford has done a lot of research on H2 powered vehicles and as company policy, absolutley will not store them inside or even in a parking garage.

(3) "The only thing the vehicle owner has to do is refill the unit with distilled water once every 80 hours of engine use."

1. Why is this listed as an hourly rate and not fuel mileage per a particular vehicle/engine? This could not be consistant over an entire vehicle range.
2. A unit the size of a DVD player would not hold the required amount of water needed to produce enough H2 to power an engine for a Quarter mile run let alone enough for 80hrs.
3. Chemically breaking down molecules into base elements or smaller molecules is called cracking. The amount of enrgy required to crack H2 from H2O out weighs the performance benefits of this solution. This energy is supplied via the altenator in william's concept. How good do you thing your gas milage would be if you installed a huge Heavy Duty altenator and used all of it available power 100% of the time? what happens when your rad fan kicks in with your car idling? it damn near dies because it is pulling about 20 amps from a 80 amp alt. Imagine a 160 amp alt constantly pulling agaist your engine.

These are only a few issues related to this article. I do not know the specifics of his design but based on the info given, this akin to 80 mpg carb.

84 1LE

iTrader: (9)

Its happened before.This is an article from HotRod(june 84).Smokey developed this system for that fiero in the pic.It uses hot coolant from the engine to better atomize the fuel mixture by heating it.(or in this case vaporizing up to 440 deg).It work so well that the little 151c.i. iron duke produced 250hp & 230ft lbs(for a 350c.i. this is equal to 630hp @ 5200rpm,according to smokey).With 50+ miles to the gallon still.It did this WITHOUT the aid of the cumputer,sensors,cat & still was 50 state emission legal.It ran 0-60 in 6 sec too.This system used the heat from the coolant so well it DIDNT even need the fan & used a smaller rad,otherwise you could over cool the eng!Well getting back to the statement above.Smokey had applied for patent & was marketing this as a retrofit for the iron duke(with other engines to follow).Crane cams was working with smokey on this kit.It was to be released in a year or so.Last i read though was that G.M. BOUGHT the rights to this system back in 1988.They probably shelved it becuase fuel injection was the big thing then & all the $$ spent on R&D.

84 1LE

iTrader: (9)

Draven

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did they delete it?

merc3065

Still interested in reading a better designed hydrogen system?

United Nuclear

They have however had problems where the hydrogen has saturated the block and other components and is causing engine parts to become overly brittle.

The system works, but it destroys the metal and the exhaust system after a short while.

They may have to redesign the materials used for the engine or how the hydrogen combustion works?

Who knows, still very interesting that they have a C5 running on 4 hydrogen fuel cells.

r90camarors

The united Nuclear page is very interesting. It would be awesome to see a product like that hit the masses. But unfortuantly it probably never will, at least not on that level. Why, because certain people in high places would never allow it to materialize. Nothing is free. Especially fuel. Unfortuantly our economy is largly based on that. And being able to produce free fuel via solar powered genorators would crush it.
I can see it now.... a tax based on the milage you drive each year, or outragious registration fees. Why didn't they follow up with the iron duke project? It sounds like they already had a solid running prototype with the fiero. R&D would deffinetely fall with in the budjet as well.
Look at it like this: It's been 20 years since the article. 20 years of numerous new engine designs, fuel injections, and vehicle developement. Ans still no one has topped the power to gas milage ratio of the iron duke project in respects to petroleum based or even hybrid vehicles. Now ask yourself why they haven't delivered that technology from 20 years ago.

Phatfiddler

iTrader: (8)

Heres the Hot Vapor engine Smokey developed. It has never been successfully been copied by anyone! Thats why it isnt on our cars. He left critical parts out of the patent papers so companies cant look at it and just wait 5 years to duplicate it. Here is how it works though...this was a diagram that hung in Smokeys office for some years, but I could only find it in Swedish, but it's easy to figure out the plumbing.
BTW, he died not too long ago, so good luck getting any info from him....

tilstad

Actually the patents for the hot vapor engine has gone out, and nobody has bothered to renew them. If you look at the HV closely, you can see that the "homogenizer" is really functioning as a turbo, and that the heating of the inlet and gas has a questionable effect, at best.

Now one problem wuth that engine was that the internals would not have worked with stock parts at those temperatures. Most belive that smokey solved that with ceramic coatings.

Although I was a beliver of the HV in my younger days, I have come to the conclusion, after growing older and getting more mechanically educated, that the hot vapor engine is not anything else than some voodo mambo jambo bull, camuflaging the fact that it's really the "homogenizer" aka turbo, thats making all the power difference.

Panteradiablo

looks to me like 1:A (in the pic) is nothing more than a water-to-air based inter-cooling system for the turbo-charged engine....and anyway,why would anyone want to force hot air in an engine? cooler air is more dense and has a higher Oxygen content,that equals more HP/Torque and better MPG...hot air has an adverse affect....my 2 copperz

omnipotentgoku

iTrader: (1)

Does anyone have any additional info on that hydro module.. the link originally posted is dead. Im just interested in its claims.

swerve-driver

I thought that stuff was really flammable.

Like so:

Sisco

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/...rplans_doc.htm