camaronewbie

For anyone interested, the jerk at custombrakelights.com wouldn't know a brake light from a headlight, and to make matters worse, is the biggest jerk I've ever had the pleasure of communicating with.

I sent him an emailletting him know that his page for 3rd gen products shows brake light mods for sale for 1991 and 1992 Camaro's that WILL NOT WORK. He's showing products for verts that have the third brakelight in the rear spoiler. Hardtops and T-tops as WE all at TGO know very well have the third brake light on the back glass, at the top, in the middle, and on the INSIDE of the car.

I simply pointed this out to him, trying to be nice and give him the correct info so that he wouldn't have an embarrassing time with a PO'd customer in the future because his site states that his product will fit a 1991 or 1992 Camaro. He was such a jerk in his responding email - insisting he was right, and I was wrong, and insinuating that there was "an obvious reason he is in this business and I am not". He went to the point of sending me to eBay links of a 1991 and 1992 Camaro to "show me up" - but in the end HE was wrong - because these links were to verts that of course have the third brake light in the rear spoiler. BUT - his web page doesn't specify that these will only work in verts, it states for ALL Camaros 1987 - 1992.

The fact that he just didn't respond and say "thanks for the heads up - I'll look into it" or better yet not respond at all, and keep his 'tude to himself, was very surprising! No matter what you think - you never blatently state that the customer is wrong (even when they are), and you never go to the extent he did to attempt to 'rub it in' - as in his case, since he was in fact wrong - it really made him look like a dumb jerk.

So - heads up all - deal with this "business" with FULL KNOWLEDGE of what YOU need, and ignore the ignorant jerk that runs this side show! I know I wouldn't buy anything off such an A$$ if my life depended on it!

84 1LE

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There are 3rd gen camaros that have the 3rd brake light on the spoiler, that are not convertibles.He might be off on the years though.

custombl

Hey, it's custombrakelights. com,

Your buddy that posted this stupid thing is back peddling.
This bozo emailed me saying, and I quote from his email "There is no such thing as a 91 or 92 Camaro with the brake light on the spoiler" I replied back to him with 2 item numbers from ebay WITH brake lights on the spoiler just to prove him wrong b/c that is the kind of person I am. I did say, that's why I am in the biz selling these products and he is not.

Then he replied with some lame email with this:
OK you dumb *** jerk.

In the first place - I was simply telling you for YOUR sake - I could give a green god damned if you ever know the difference between the years or not - I just thought you might want to know, so that in the future you didn't have customers complaining at your ignorant self for selling them something that won't work!

In the second place - of course both of your examples have the thrid brake light in the spoiler - they are convertibles! How many convertibles were made as compared to hard top and T-tops in 1991 and 1992? There were WAY less convertibles! Which means, your larger customer base for your product IS hardtop and T-top owners - so you have more chance of shipping them useless product and pissing off a customer than not.

TAKE A LOOK AT 1991 and 1992 hardtops and T-tops - then you can eat CROW!

LIKE I SAID - the info was for your sake, and not mine!

And yes - the reason YOU are in this business and not myself is obvious - any DUMBASS can start a business selling the wrong parts!

EVEN if I was wrong, which I'm NOT - simply being the *** that you are you just lost business! Some customer service - I wouldn't buy anything from you if my life depended on it - and I'll make sure that a post about you being a complete jerk shows up on TGO.

HAVE A NICE DAY - DUMBASS!



Then he sent me an email saying he posted something on here.
So I signed up an account just to make him look like more of an idiot.

Anyways, thanks to everyone for your ongoing purchases.
And just like my posting saying 87-92 Camaro's and I'm sticking by what I put. If you need glasses to view that your brake light is in your back window then obviously you wouldn't buy my product with the brake light on the trunk.

Take care and good luck with your ongoing promotion of making me look bad when you are a complete IDIOT.

gilgalad1138

Uh, Camaronewbie... you do realize that '86 (and correct me on this, it could have been '87) was the only year for the glass mounted third light? This is because that was the first year for the government mandated high mount stop light. After that they were mounted under the spoiler.

TraviZ

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91-92 did have it in the hatch glass and 87-90 were in the spoiler (im refering to all non verts of coarse)

TraviZ

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the 91 and 92 models are relocated back to the hatch glass probably because of the newly introduced high-rise spoiler.

TraviZ

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1991


1992

camaronewbie

TravisZ pics are correct. I'm not a genius by any means, but I CAN SEE MY OWN CAR!

Being right or wrong is not the issue at hand. I'm happy to be wrong, if it means anyone with a 3rd Gen gets what the info need to satisfy their goals. The issue is the terrible response from someone that is supposedly "attempting" to get business. In this economy, I'd never imagined that anyone would be ignorant enough to flame a potential customer in a personalized email. As stated, I was merely trying to help the jerk out - I could have called him an idiot in the initial email, but I didn't - it was an FYI so he didn't have a problem with customers, because actually I thought some of his products had potential (even though $15 at the local sign shop to custom cut vinyl lettering will accomplish the same result) .

Well, I received another email from this jerk - and here's what he thinks of our cars:

"Go away - you're retarded.
And get a new car. Something in this century. LOSER"

As if he hasn't our choice in cars enough.

Personally - given the choice - if I were offered ANYTHING in the 2010 line for free, or have to pay someone to keep my 3rd Gen F-body - I'd have to beg borrow steal if that's what it took to keep my 3rd Gen!

88TransAmFreak

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I think it's been proven by the pictures above that the 91-92 Camaro has the brake light in the upper hatch glass......not on the spoiler so you are wrong in your assumptions.

What you can do as a businessman is suck up your pride and either make the listing 100% correct by stating 87-89 or putting a disclaimer saying "because of the differences in years please make sure your car has a spoiler mounted brake light"

Because if anyone has ever done any business on eBay knows to never assume anything when dealing with a customer...does it make them an idiot, No it doesn't...it makes them trusting. I would have just assumed that it was a "stock" photo to show what the decal looks like and if your ad says it will fit 87-92 Camaro then it better fit ALL 87-92 Camaros.
If I owned a 92 Camaro and ordered that decal and it didn't fit the glass mounted high brake light.....you would be getting a chargeback from my credit card company. It doesn't matter anyways because I don't own a Camaro nor am I into putting gaudy things on my car.

Anyone can set up a webpage and buy a decal cutter.....it doesn't make you a smart businessman....research your cars and make sure your information is correct before making it public.
This is a pretty high trafficked F-body site….you may have made a mistake so I wouldn’t be thanking anyone just yet. No one wants to deal with an A-hole…..regardless what the customer said to them…a good business man should be better than that.

custombl

86 Camaro on the top of the outside glass - correct
87-92 Camaro Convertibles ON THE SPOILER
91-92 Camaro Hardtops on the top of the glass inside

Bottom line and you are WRONG that you said they never made a 91-92 Camaro with a brake light on the spoiler. Which I proved you WRONG and it looks like everyone else is too.

I wasn't trying to get your business. You came to me. I don't need your business. I get plenty of business. And if you think I am being a jerk for saying that then too bad. Yes, I have a bad attitude specially to someone who is trying to make me look bad.

P.S.... You've already generated 6 new sales for me just posting this. Thanks for posting this although you meant to do the opposite.

custombl

You are correct but he was talking about the next years model. 87-92

custombl

Correctamondo

custombl

[quote=88TransAmFreak;4231435]I think it's been proven by the pictures above that the 91-92 Camaro has the brake light in the upper hatch glass......not on the spoiler so you are wrong in your assumptions.

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For one... I never said it didn't have a brake light in the back glass. What I said is that 87-92 Camaros have a brake light on the spoiler which I sell a product for.

custombl

You are just making yourself look really dumb. If you saw my ebay listings it clearly says MAKE SURE YOUR BRAKE LIGHT LOOKS THE SAME... so if that isn't a disclaimer for you that you might be just as stupid as your buddy who posted this.

Oh, 7 sales now. Thanks AGAIN

CaliChevyLover

custombrakelights.com is the sh*t. got a custom made one for only $15 for my 86 (outside top hatch) last year in june. has held on tight even on the ridged surface of the lense. and this is on a daily driver thats always parked outside

a year and a half b4 that i bought a premade one for my dad's equinox for christmas. still in perfect shape also.

one hella satisfied customer here

custombl

I appreciate that. Thanks for the support

Jay

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Just to add a little correction on the 87s.. not ALL 87 Camaros had a rear spoiler So the ones without a rear spoiler also had the third brake light mounted on the top of the glass.

deadbird

The point that is being overlooked, is the convertibles had a spoiler mounted brake light in 91-92. So, the listing it ->technically<- correct.

I'm not defending either side here as I don't really care.

The 6th grade mentality from both parties isn't helping anything here though.

This isn't YouTube.

88TransAmFreak

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Actually, I was initially referring to your website and I have a masters degree so I'm pretty educated. I'm also educated enough to know that if you state something on your website, you better hold truth to that. Without a disclaimer of some sort to protect yourself or you will be held accountable for whatever is posted. If it says it will fit 87-92 Camaro then it better fit every one of them made during those years.

Because if someone with a 1992 Camaro purchased one and it didn't fit his glass mounted third brake light spoiler when you said it fits 1987-1992, then you would be held accountable for fraud or misleading the customer. Anybody that's taken a business law class will tell you that.

And your welcome for the increased business

Brennan

right now you both look like morons, your publicly arguing about a $15 sticker and it seems to me your both kinda right, so whats the fighting for?

ffemtm70

custombl

Me too. If anyone has anything important to say that actually involves me and not the loser who posted this thread you can contact me at info@custombrakelights.com

Later

89RS_82Z

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CBL has proven to be a good company with a good product, if you are to stupid not to know what 3rd brake light is on your car then you dont need to be even buyin a cover for it, i think the pics explain what the product is 100%

CaliChevyLover

but i have to agree...even tho im impressed by the product the owner of a company should ALWAYS talk more professional than the person bashin them

The Project

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From my 89 IROC.

Good product, goes on perfectly. Had no problem ordering off the website. Item arived intact and as ordered. Two thumbs up!!

irocman79

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just went to the custom third brake light website and it has a picture of a spoiler with a third brake light in it. So if i was buying this product i would assume that it would be for a camaro with the brake light in the spoiler. And just to stat that i think as a rule when you are purchasing any type of aftermarket item for your car no matter what it says you should double check with you car and make sure it works. Thats what i do i haven't had any problems with what i have purchased from anybody any where. Its sad to say but you can't trust any one any more everybodys out to make a buck

slow305rs

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First pic on the Camaro page shows a window mounted brake light (from an 86).