Camaros4_life

Do black outs on the head lights and tail lights effect the brightness of them? If so then wouldn't it be unsafe to be driving at night with the black outs on your head lights. And wouldn't it make it hard for other drivers to distiguesh your tail lights from your brake lights? And are they easy to steal, I have heard that they are easy to install, making them very easy taget for thiefs, it that the case? And who is the best companes to buy them from? I heard GTO is good who els. Thanks for reading this and hopfully you set me strait on a few things. Thank alot again.

Drew

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"Do black outs on the head lights and tail lights effect the brightness of them?"
Yes.

"If so then wouldn't it be unsafe to be driving at night with the black outs on your head lights."
Yes.

"Wouldn't it make it hard for other drivers to distiguesh your tail lights from your brake lights?"
Yes.

"Are they easy to steal, I have heard that they are easy to install, making them very easy taget for thiefs, it that the case?"
Yes, takes about 60 seconds to steal a set. They might break in the process but hey they're free right.

"Who is the best companes to buy them from? I heard GTO is good who else?"
They're all basically the same.


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SAEspinz80

sorry drew but i would definately have to disagree with you.

first things first, the company is GTS, not GTO and you can find thier website at www.gtstyling.com. they are the most reputable company for blackouts.

second, i have the GTS blackouts installed on the back of my black '90 bird and they look sweet. of course during the day when your breaklights are off, you can't see them. however, when you do hit your breaks they shine right through, it may sound wierd, but they do....and are very easy to see. and at night, you can't even tell you have blackouts on your tail lights....they shine very bright.

so i would definately have to say no, to your first three questions.

and last are they easy to steal? a friend of mine had his on his comaro and yes, they got rippied off....but believe me its not as easy as i thought. first you need to make sure you prep the surface so the tape sticks...then the blackouts stick to your car with a heavy-duty velcro, but MUCH stronger then velcro. taking them off a few days after i but them on was definately a pain. also the firebird set is a three piece set really limiting where you can get your fingers to get them off in the first place.

just some info for you....also realize they are supposed to be for show use only and my be illeagel in your state (a la GTS). but i have never been pulled over for them, and neither have 98% of the other members on this board....

just some info for ya....lata

jason86/2.8

I had the headlight covers on my camaro and one of them blew off while I was driving down the interstate. That really pissed me off too, $40+ down the crapper!

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Josh 91RS

for 6 bucks you can get translucent black spray and spray your tails. Then cover them with a clearcoat. They look better then blackouts, are way way way cheaper, and cant be stolen

Chris Etemadi

Where can you get the translucent spray at.

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SAEspinz80

sorry Josh91, i still think black outs look better....especially on a black car! but then it comes down to personal preference...to each his own....my .02

Drew

iTrader: (58)

I stand by my original reply. I had a set of GTS covers on my 83 and almost got shot because a cop couldn't see my taillights thru them on a well lit city street. The fact is they're tinted. If you tint your windows does the sun still shine thru just as bright? Neither do your taillights. As for risk of theft, you make your car a target the minute you put them on. I had a friend that kept himself fed by selling stolen tailight covers for a year. He had every piece of tinted black plastic tacky add on available in the trunk of his car.
I know people will overlook the truth and use these anyway, I did. I liked the way they looked on the car, but they were definitely a risk and it did get me in trouble.

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oldblueZ

you can get the spray from summit( http://www.summitracing.com ). it is made by ventshade. it is in the same section as the blackouts.

Later,
Jesse

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Fastcamaro87

i asked this same question before in a similar post and got no answers,
is the blackout spray illegal ? i am particularly wondering about Pittsburgh , PA, and if no one knows, has anyyone been pulled over for the blackout spray?

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AcSeb

I had blackouts on my RS for a while. The funny thing is that you ask if they get stolen easily. The way I got them is I had my cousing rip them off of a Z28 at a carlot that was for sale. I guess it's ghetto but he wanted to do it. So I let him. They shine through very easily at night, but on sunny days you cant see when the brake lights come on as easily. I think I'm going to sell them and get that spray though, it sounds a little bit more legal

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Josh 91RS

I have the spray...I dont believe theyre legal...but ive never been hassled about it before. I have clearcoat over the black spray as well, so they look really good and look more stock then the plastic blackouts. At night you cant even tell theyre blacked out. And in the day time unless you know what a camaro's stock lights look like you wouldnt really be able to tell either cause they still have the original shape, and look without the plastic over them.

yellowiroc

all you little queers that rip taillight covers off, I'd love a piece of you. I've had 3 pairs stolen by cheap little punks like yourselves that are gonna get an **** beating. The last pair that was stolen had my plate number engraved on the inside...when I find you... I'm gonna beat the living **** out of you. cheap little ****** are dead.

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MikeDwhoROCZImports

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What you guys should think about, more so than being pulled over because of them, is the liability that comes with them. If you're driving down the street, someone is riding your A$$, and then you have to hit your brakes for some legitamite reason, you're screwed. If the person hits you, all they have to say is that they couldn't see your brake lights clearly and you're responsable for any damage to your car, their car, and subject to being sued by them for any injury's they may have gotten. It doesn't matter if they were riding you so close that it looked like you were towing them.
I agree blacked out lights look nice (espically the painted ones), but they're just not worth it in my opinion.

Josh 91RS

I tend to disagree with the previous statement. I have the spray on mine, and let me tell you, you can definitely see my brake lights through it, even in the daytime, birhgt as before...the only thing that might be a problem is you cant really see the tails on in the daytime. Plus 95% of the time person in back is responsible no matter what the circumstance. As long as you truly can see through them dont worry about it, if someone tries to get away with it step on your brakes and show the cops you can see it just fine.

sheet outta luck

in Birmingham, they are legal as long as you can see the light shining thru them from at least 300 yards away i believe. Cops around here dont give a crap whether you have them on or not, its those Clears they love seeing people have on their vehicles.

Black Beauty

THEY SHINE THROUGH FINE. DAY OR NIGHT. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAVE A CENTER HIGH MOUNT STOP LIGHT. THE BLACKOUTS LOOK CLEANER AND CRISPER THEN THE SPRAY. ALSO U DONT NEED TO USE SPECIAL PAINT. ANY SPRAY TOUCH UP PAINT....BLACK....WILL WORK. JUST USE ONE LIGHT COAT. I DID IT TO MY HIGH MOUNT LIGHT...IN THE SPOILER. HAVENT BEEN STOLEN SO FAR....THANK GOD. BUT ONE IS BROKEN....SOMEONE HIT IT WHILE PARKED....A$$HOLE. WHATEVERS.....WHINING BOUT LIABILITY AND COPS N SUCH.

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Josh 91RS

Personally i think the spray looks cleaner and cripser then the blackouts...Looks like mine came that way stock instead of a piece of plastic stuck to the back. Especially with the clear coat on them. But hey its all in your own taste.

Fastcamaro87

ok one more question about the spray, the reason i heard that blackouts are illegal as well as clear lenses is the fact that all brake lights have a reflector in them , so when your riding down the street at night, u can see parked cars, because the brake lights light up, or reflect your headlights. with blackouts yes u can see the lights when u hit the pedal, but not when there are headlights shining on them when they are turned off. my question being, does the spray block the reflector 2?or does it reflect light ? thanks.

AmorgetRS

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Actually, it still reflects very nicely. Yes, dimmer, but it still reflects. I have my side markers sprayed very dark to match my black paint, using that Night Shade spray stuff, and they reflect very well when my car is off. My back reflectors are covered in window tint, which looks about the same, just different styled, more like a plastic black out and it reflects just the same.

mcaninch_rj

Attn Fastcamaro87

Since I live and work in Pittsburgh, I asked your question to one of the women I work with (her husband is a State Trooper) and got an answer for you. The answer is "Depends on the Trooper" If you haven't done anything else to arouse attention you should be OK but if you are Hot ******* or appear to be the spoiled rich kid in the nice car some cops will give you trouble. His advice. If you think that you may be crossing the line you probably are and if you are walking the line don't draw attention to yourself. Like everyone else some cops like F bodies, some like trucks and some like the rest ...

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Attn Fastcamaro87 again

i also live in pittsburgh and am currently in the police academy and will say that technically, yes, that would be illegal, reason being altering your vehical, not orignal equiptment violation-inspection, and being a safety hazzard as well on the road. however, in my experiance driving around with my red under car neon lights on, you shouldn't have a problem in the actual city, but ******** cops in the suburbs may give you trouble along with troopers. stay away from the south hills area. lol

bad camaro RS

ive had em for 2 yrs now only 1 cop gave me problem but his book says as long as they can be seen for 500 feet its legal heres a pic




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i have taillight blackouts and ive never had a problem with them at all. headlight blackouts i did have a problem with , i lost on the an interstate doin about 80 mph. ive never been hasled by cops here about them at all and i can t count how many times ive been pulled over( witch is not a good thing i might add)

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mycarsucks

Couldnt you simply put in brighter lights? wouldnt that solve it?

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graebz28

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That's what I did. The 2057 light bulbs I heard are supposed to be brighter than the 1057 bulbs. I just put those in.

I took the time to drill out a holes and bolt them down on mine to prevent theft. They still can get them, but the will definately break. As long as the theif can not reuse them, that's fine with me.

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Kandied91z

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some of you guys amaze me how can you ask a question about a product that is labeled as a "blackout-cover", just makes me laugh. of course it's gonna dim your lights; especially in the day. and yes they will get stolen, unless your one of those people that drill holes in the car just to mount $40 plastic items, and then the theif might just break them to **** you off; then what?

why are they illegal? cause people can't see your tailights, not to say guys like us can't, just the majority of older people and women; who in most cases expect to see a "bright" light.

They look cool, don't get me wrong; just don't get upset when some 16 year old girl rearends you and complains that she couldn't see and there's nothing you can do about it. but if that isn't a concern, and it doesn't bother u that someone will possibly rearend you then i say go for it...after all it looks cool and the import guys believe it adds 10 extra horses...