88ragtop

Hey guys,
check out page 69 in the Sept. 2009 Hot Rod Magazine. It's 2010 camaro bolt-on front and rear facia. This will probably never be done but it sure looks awesome.

formula forever

what does that have to do with third gen's

Brennan

is it a kit for our cars that look like a 2010?

UDAMON

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yeah. well a sketch of one anyways. check it out, pretty interesting.

Manic Z

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I'm hoping this never happens.
It would ruin the timeless design of the thirdgen.
It's like putting thirdgen pieces on a 69.
Blasphemy.

usamuscle892

seems kinda like wasted effort. i was at Walmart last night and saw a 2010 black/white heritage (i guess thats what they are called, it looked like them) stripes and it seems as though the design efforts were already centered around first/third gen lines. it definitely has a second gen @ss on it. and the best part is...i don't see fourth gen anywhere. but yeah, why is someone already wanting to butcher the looks of the 2010. Jesus, give GM a break, the whole reason they quit production is due to design block.

89junkyardgta

My brother is a design guy and took a look at those sketches. He said in order to pull it off, the nose would have to be shorter than stock to get the correct proportions, and that the guy cheated on the rear because he used a convertible, which has the flat decklid that is similar to a first gen lid. I would guess you would have to use a modified hatch/trunk glass to make it look correct on a hardtop/t-top car. His opinion was the drawing was cool, but it would probably look quite a bit different in real life. Personally, as far as third gen body kits go, real or simulated, its still one of the better ones I've seen. But its true, they have their own style from their own era, and it really IS what makes them unique. If you want the look of a 2010+ Camaro, perhaps its best to just go and get one.

vette gator

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I liked the sketch. Whether it would look good in real life is a different issue. On a related note, though, all the other sketches in the article were all the same "slammed ride, big wheel, low profile Hot Wheels" look that I'm pretty sick of seeing in all the show cars these days. Maybe I'm just old school.

RED_DRAGON_85

anyone got any pictures?
i dont get the mag

gregsz-28

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Here are some cell phone pics of it

Brennan

whats the purpose of this drawing? seems like alot of wasted time to me

Thirdgen89GTA

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It is. However, I was bored once and shopped a 1st gen front end onto a thirdgen.

88ragtop

It may look like crap in real life but you got to admit, the drawing is as good or better than anything Chip Foose can do IMO. Also, let's face it. The third gen camaro was about the worst ever produced in looks and performance. The only reason I keep mine is because of the low production numbers in 88 (1,859) and I have only 58,000 miles on it. They can't be many of them left.

92 Camaro

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i agree with you about the rides.
the new camaro is ugly as it is. i think the worst you could do would be a 4th gen interior swap with the front and rear end of this POS.

Thirdgen89GTA

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The Camaro is hardly the Worst looking generation. Truthfully, if I had to pic a generation to hate it would be 2nd gens. Which I'm sure some people will disagree with. I don't hate the 2nd gens though, I have my favorite years/models, just like i do for all the generations.

You may think they are the worst, but production numbers tell a different story. They were the hot ticket in the 80's and early 90's. The 2nd best selling generation but a very small margin (2nd gens sold more). 1st and 4th gens can't come close in terms of production numbers. While I know the 1st gens were only produced for short of 3 years, if you average out the #s sold per year over 3, and do the same for the other generations the 3rd gens still outsold first gens by a large margin.

usamuscle892

Wow, I can't believe someone actually insulted the appearance of the third gen Camaro on the Appearance board of a Third Gen Forum. That's @ss backwards. Why don't you just go get a fox body and give the 88 to someone who FULLY appreciates it.

RED_DRAGON_85

nice!

Convoy25

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i actually think that looks pretty good. maybe have the 5 inch spoiler instead, but thats just my taste

and as for those sketches, it looks pretty cool except the roof doesnt go along with the new lines of the car. they would have to make it more rounded or something to really go with then, but by then it would be pretty much a 3rd gen in a 5th gen shell.
just my thought

bsporty

ummm Wow!!!88Ragtop!
you must have a wagon to carry your ***** in!!!hahaha!!!
Please dont dis the 3rd gen or Chip!! 3rd gens are sleek, sexy, cars.
No way that drawing is anything like what he can do! Where is the creativity?
Its just a new camaro front end on a 3rd gen.Dont get me wrong its a nice drawing and all but not even comparable to Chips designs.

And that photoshop is wild!

84olmpcboy

Personally I kinda liked the sketch. I don't think I would take the time or money to convert it to that kit if it ever gets produced but its different. I agree that the real thing would end up looking allot different than the sketch but it would still be kinda cool. just my

odecca

not bad. but time for my

I think the front fascia of the thirdgen is one of the most beautiful creations of auto-body work. It flows so smoothly, has the most aggressive look of all camaro generations (without looking like a truck[5th gen]), and gives the car excellent aerodynamics. I actually love all the camaro generations but the lines of our cars are magnificent. I do wish we had better headlamps.

That being said I am not one who minds if a person expresses their creativity on our cars even when I think it looks like s%*#. to each his own.

Guro 305

I have to agree with that. To me the 2nd gen Camaro was butt-ugly. The 2nd gen T/A, not as bad since the nose made up bigtime for the long squashed body of the carm.

You've obviously haven't seen or riden in a 5th gen. I used to think they were ugly too ON PAPER. When I finally got to see one in person and drive one, I ate my words. They are absolutely sweet and the V6 is toe-to-toe with the LT1s.

If you want an ugly car, does it get any uglier than the Dodge Challenger? I mean talk about a car that looked good on paper but looks more like it was made by Honduh in real life since I have yet to count more than one bodyline. And then there is always that big fat ugly Rustang!

adm030

I wish they would produce a kit it looks awesome it reminds me of the c4 to c5 vette kit.

Camarowfreak

i actually modified a set of one piece headligts to fit off of a 1988 celebrity...and it does look alot better. My next thing i think i'm gonna try is graft a set of projector style lights out of a 1990's chevy pickup. i have a set of hid lights ready to go in.
and i absolutly love this 2010 body kit. I dont care what it cost. They make it, i'm buyin it.

92 Camaro

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oh? and why is it so obvious? I can't think they are ugly?
I HAVE seen both in person and the challenger looks A LOT better. the camaro is FAT and unattractive in the rear. front isn't as bad, but I still do not like the car. I don't see what the big deal is. I'd rather have the mustang over the new camaro.

heartofalion

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WOW...ok so let me get this straight...this is a THIRDGEN website with THIRDGEN haters??? wow nice....maybe you guys should try a ford rustang site or maybe Mopar for that guy who like the ugly challang-her ....I mean come on guys I am all about having your own opinion but damn you hate the car you drive??? Leave that to ford owners...and I agree the new camaro is sexy..on paper was nice in person was just sexy....test drove a red one and had the salesman move to the backseat while I picked up a very sexy lady...he laughed....( kinda felt bad that back seat sucks...sorry George and thanks she has friedns!! lol)

As for the topic at hand...I agree if they make the kit I may get in line to buy it...it does look good

P.S. Third gens were not only the most aerodynamic camaros built but the most aerodynamice cars bult in that era along with the best suspension around for the price...come on appreciate what you have

robertfrank

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I'm not feeling the hard top version but I think the vert would look pretty sick. Besides didn't "proxemics" do this, the thirdgenner from saudi arabia?

spade

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i like......

1Aauto

I think the drawing looks pretty cool.

88ragtop

Ok, Ok guys. Guess I was a little harsh. Never said I HATED the car. Maybe I should have left out the "worst looking" comment. Now that I think about it, ASC did an awesome job chopping the hell out of a t-top car to make a factory looking convert.

itsMikey

doesent even look like a 3rd Gen O_o

Abubaca

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The new Camaro AND the Challenger are both bloated fat pigs. They look nice from certain angles, but that's about it. It's all the crash regulations. They SHOULD have designed accordingly, but in their rush to make money (once again) off of how Ford designed the mustang, they threw out any real "thought" and regurgitated a 40 year old design. Ho-hum. Whatever.

Any motor can go in any car. Design wise, I'll take my Iroc over them ANY day!!!!

radar1232

In my time I have had the great opportunity to ride in all of the gens of Camaros and Firebirds. I have also rode in More-Parts (MO-PAR) muscle cars as well as Ford Muscle cars. I have owne a 1st, 2nd, and now a 3rd Gen Firebird and by Far I love my 3rd more than the rest. I just have to get rid of my V-6 and Get Something a bit bigger in it or rebuild what I have for more power, not sure just yet. The Third-Gens are by far the sweetest set of wheels I have owned, although I thought I was nuts for buying one, I now have realized it was well worth it for sure. The 5th Gen Camaros ride nice and have some punch, but I dont prefer the digging up of an old model and attempting to modernize it for current production. But thats just my two cents worth.

And if you buy a 3rd Gen then keep it like one (except for the blowers sticking out of the hood those are rad as hell).

91whtRS

WHYYYYYY?! If you want a 5th gen then buy one, for goodness sake leave the third gens alone. Geez, stop tryin to change something into something its not. Personally my favorite is a 69 camaro but that doesnt make me want my third gen to look like one. I think its gorgeous just the way it is.

berlin305

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I love my thirdgen and its looks. And wow some people have some nerves to even dare talk trash about thirdgen cars and still own them. But yes everyone has there own opinion. First off the pic sucks. 5th gen camaro's i have to agree looks okay. But rustang looks like someone put a dump on it like usual. Some things just should die "rustangs" The thirdgens are unique of there own and thats why i like it. Not because of the production numbers ect.... I am all for into some modifications on our cars. But actually changing it to look like a copcat of another vehicle is just senseless. You want to own a 5th gen buy it and leave the thirdgens bodies as they are. Its like putting 4x4 on our cars to make it look cool. Just ruins the taste of the 80s-90s.

cvz6977

I think it gives it more of a muscle car look.

TZ28

Nice, what are you gonna do for a grill?

Fords88Bird

CVZ, how's the hood latch going to work, nice. Later.

cvz6977

First I need to get a hood, that was the stock one just for mock up. Hood pins are the way to go though.

cvz6977

I have a wire mesh that I like for the grill material, it will be painted to help compliment the diamond mesh that I have protcting the radiator.

xpndbl3

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tossing pics of my camaro around still?

Luckily it still looks just as good as that day fresh from paint before I picked it up.

ThePain

That's awesome! Would look better without the obnoxious hood or spoiler

xpndbl3

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ouch.
the motor still only clears by 1/4" under that 4" cowl hood and that's the factory rear spoiler by the way.

ThePain

I'm a small block guy I don't really like it when hoods get to high. A sunoco is about where my interest fades away. The big stock spoilers on these things are ugly too. But again, that's just my opinion

okfoz

I actually really like the concept art... I would actually consider buying a Camaro and putting the facias & ground effects on it to make it look like that...

Of course concept art and reality usually are not 100%, but it is still cool in my book...

And to answer the question why anyone would want to do this?
Ask why would anyone want to put a 4th gen interior into their car... A bunch of people have done it.

This goes back to the old days when people did not want to spend money on a new car, but wanted an updated look to their old car, so they would make customs, that is where much of the car craze comes from... This was very popular in the 50's and 60's, its not a new idea by any means...

xpndbl3

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small blocks are so 1990s, I'm a gen 3 based motor guy now. A sunoco hood is over 3" tall as well, so this hood being 4" isn't much of a difference. Add in a nitrous plate and a taller single plane intake, a carb, and air filter and see how tall it ends up if you want to make real power.

bakes85

dude, i LOVE that photoshopped picture, and btw you have amazing photoshop skills!

okfoz

Technically... The Gen 3 IS a small block... Since GM still offers a Big Block in their trucks... 502 last time I checked, it leads me to believe that they also offer a Small Block

xpndbl3

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the big blocks were 8.1L trucks which were 496s and are discontinued as of 2006. I know because I have one in my 05 3/4 ton truck and it's quite the stump puller. Biggest motor now that GM puts in typical vehicles is the 6.0L for gas engines. Basically just ribbing the other guy for knocking my car Besides when you say sbc the first thought is the old gen 1 motors, now it's ls based or gen3 engines.

okfoz

You are correct, The actual displacement of the BB was 496, but apparently the service manual referrs to it as a 502. It has to do wtih the way you convert 8.1 to Ci, and where you drop the decimal point. A guy I work with had a 02 with the 8.1L and apparently the service manual referred to it as a 502..

I think the consensis is that the term "SBC" is of the original design of the engine that started back in 1955 and went through either 1998 or 1999... What I found interesting is the Gen II is referred to on the Vortec engines of the 96-98 era, but for some reason there was some major changes in the block of the 1987 engine, with the single piece rear main seal than the 96 block... There was some head design upgrades, but AFAIK, or until proven wrong, I thought the block itself on a Vortec was essentially the same as the 87-95...

I do know from talking to truck owners, that a 1996 5.0L will outperform a 1995 5.7L...

John