iansane

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Did they take it down? I don't see anything.

iansane

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Oh the ****** comment? Really? Maybe I'm weird but I make fun of my car all the time.

At least you have a Camaro magazine.

Edit; Holy ****, I forgot mentioning 80s hairdo was censored here. Ridiculous.

Manic Z

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I think we all need to get a sense of humour. That pic was just a friendly jab.

LHernandezJr

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KMK454

What's funny is the red IROC-Z in the "m u l l e t" picture appears nicer than their 89 IROC-Z feature...

The 89 IROC-Z feature was a nice car, but as mentioned previously, it's not a very complete project. The engine bay is functional but far from clean and the interior is a mess. The exterior is clean. It looks like it would make a fun street machine or a weekend track mule, but I can think of a handful of modified and stock thirdgens on TGO that are far more deserving of a readers' rides magazine feature.

Here's how most people view the history of Camaros:

1967 - Chevy releases market test car
1968 - Chevy market test car continues, data collected and applied to new model
1969 - First Chevy Camaro released
1970 to 2002 - No Camaros produced
2006 - Fifthgen Camaro Concept Released
2007 - Fifthgen Camaro Convertible Concept Released
2007 - Transformers Movie Debutes
2010 to present - Chevy re-releases the Camaro for the first time since 1969

red rock

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I have a red '87 and a "m ullet" and listen to Whitesnake, and am 53 yrs. old. What's not funny about that? At least at 53, I still have all my hair?

kmcn47

more then that iirc much more, i think about that many a year lol or am i exaggerating

GenX'Motorsport

Here is something I sent the editor back in October 2008. I was surprised he put it inthe "Firing back' section.

Sorry if its hard to read, cell phone pics of the mag. I dont think there website enables you to view these things.

yaj15

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I picked up the new Camaro Performers magazine that just came out. The magazine is now backtracking on a lot of the ''thirdgens are not good cars'' comments.

The last page in the new issue has an entire article on the guy that went on the thirdgen rant in the last issue and others before that. This editor is trying to smooth over all the negative waves that the negative thirdgen rants caused the magazine.

The good news is that many people that like thirdgens put up a protest. Camaro Performers magazine don't get it - money talks and they are called Camaro Performers magazine with NO specific model year that is the dedicated and sole focus of the magazine.

They need to understand the fact that if they fire up any of the Camaro fans out there in a negative way - there will be a price to pay! We can always not purchase the magazine and I think that threat in combination with all the fired up an angry thirdgen owners got their attention.

I would like to see the negative thirden rant editor come to an event in public and have to face some people that would make him answer his negative comments face to face. It's very easy to sit behind a desk or a behind a computer and say anything that you want. It takes a real strong, real person to have the courage to come out to a hostile audience (out in public) and still say the same thing when you are on un-familiar territory with no allies.

He can have his personal opinion on what kind of Camaro that he likes best - thats fine. It's just very telling of the editors lack of mental fortitude as it relates to business - who's objective is to make as much money as possible - then you should not purposely try to ****-off a large group of clients who are helping to keep your business afloat! That is even more important given the state of the economy right now!

If I was that editors boss I would have considered firing him because this trash talk about thirdgens has been going on for a while and the profit margins will start to be affected. They have made Camaros over 40 years now and are in the 5th generation and not too long from now the 6th generation Camaro's will come out.

It then becomes a case this particular editor being a loose cannon - what will he go off on next.

Confuzed1

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Thirdgen's are part of the Camaro heritage...period. Like 'em or not. I happen to feel that the early ones (up to '88) are pretty much slugs compared to today's power standards...with 80's smog era engines...low HP and TQ ratings.

All that being said, they're all a part of what the Camaro has evolved into today...like it or not. Even with the dismal HP ratings, the Thirdgens were one of the best handling cars out there....sure, there were still Corvettes etc.. but for the price back in the day they were a great bang for the buck. Look around at what other makes were offering....you just need to put things into perspective.

Drop a LSX engine in like everyone and thier cousin is doing, and now you have a competitior. Keep your stock 305, and you have...a good handling car. Just the way I see it...

that's probably why the '88-up thirgens with 350 power from the factory will always get better money. And thier value is increasing. Sure, the CFI's, HO's and 305 TPI's will always be a hit at the car shows....becuase they show the progression of what cars are today. If a so-called Camaro magazine wants to bash the Thirdgens, they're just being ignorant....today's cars are just more advanced. The two shouldn't be compared.

iansane

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Sir, it's an opinion. It sounds like you're ready to come to blows with this guy over an OPINION. I don't see how it's hard to voice your OPINION in a public place in front of a bunch of guys that agree or disagree with you. If you're a hostile audience because of this guy's editorial OPINION, then you have some anger issues to contend with before you should be let out into open areas. Just calm down, for everyone's sake.

yaj15

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Ha ha no not ready to come to blows. Just in terms of a business move and in terms of passion - thats where my argument comes from.

There are guys and women on here who pour a lot of their time and money in to these cars. I agree the editor should be able to express his views but when you get the kind of backlash that is going to start cutting in to your companies own profit margin, thats just stupid and should be addressed.

Ha ha yeah it sounds like blows but its not, its just passion. If you aren't ready to stand up for something important to you then you will fall for anything! I guess I got more of my family's military way of thinking within me than I thought. Ha ha hey I was raised around my grandfather who was in the Army for 20 years and was a Master Sargent so some of that stand up and get ready attitude got handed down to me to ha ha.

This magazine isn't the only place where thirdgens get trash talked on. At this point the 1st gen Camaros get a lot of love and respect, nothing wrong with that but for an original nice first gen car now you are really going to have to come up with a lot of money.

The mid to late 2nd gen cars and the thirdgen cars are kind of lumped in to the same category. People like the way they look but feel that they are too slow.

The 4th gen cars are nice and newer and the LS1 powered cars have an advantage over the other previous generations in terms of power. The 5th gen cars only add to that power advantage.

Still the 3rdgens are the best road handling Camaros that GM ever made. They made a lot of thirdgens over the 10 year run and you can hop them up with a Buick Grand National turbo motor, Gen1-Gen4 small block V8 and a lot of other power plants that work well and it wouldn't necessarily cost you an arm an a leg to do it either.

iansane

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I am one of those guys. I've spent the last decade on this car and ANYONE who has even heard of me, knows my car. If you can't take a joke or the trash talking about an inferior out of the box car, then I don't know what to tell you man... I think you have to realize that the a lot of times, editorials articles are written to spark the reader to do or say something. To get a reaction. Obviously it's working. I don't mind trash talking because I know my car performs well and can shut a lot of people up. I don't mind the down-lookers when I say I drive a '91 trans am because those quizzical looks turn into awe when I start listing the things I'VE done to it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these types of articles should motivate people to build even more bad *** machines and breathtaking rides. I think you're taking it the wrong way if you just want to argue over what's better.

scottmoyer

I find it amazing how many people will comment on the fact that I have an '87 IROC-Z. Then I show them a picture or describe it to them and the awe comes in the fact that I haven't done anything! My neighbor was a Mustang guy and had over 600hp at the wheels on a 2003 Cobra. He raced the car and is very familiar with performance and he was surprised at how strong the IROC-Z felt when he drove it. Not the strongest on hp, but the torque is awesome. Those are his words!

micktroup2

There are several reasons that we all know about that cause the 3rd gens to be the 'redheaded stepchild' of the family: there are a ton of them out there; they are in that 'too old to be hip, not old enough to be cool' catagory; and the fact that until recently, they were so cheap, any clown could buy one for nothing, put on some spinner rims and paint an American flag on it- with a brush!- and think he was 'all that'
But there is another issue that has caused us problems that no one has mentioned. Because they were in that 'junk car' window between current and antique, no one has been making custom parts for them- certainly not like the sort of billet stuff that is coming out for the 1st gen or the latest hop up stuff for the 5th.
We have been forced to go the old school hot rod route and make stuff for ourselves or adapt parts to fit- 4th gen dashes, corvette brake upgrades, etc. And naturally, quality of results varies.
We can't go to Ring Brothers and toss them 6 figures like some geezer with a 1st gen nostalgia wish or some spotty teenager with a new 5th gen and daddy's credit card. We can't call up Eddie motorsports and order billet hinges for the hood- not yet anyway.
We have to just enjoy our cars, accepting that we will never get back in dollars what we put in- but what hotrodder, NOT building something to flick at Barrett/Jackson for a quick buck(although those days are pretty much done for the weekend tinkerer) CAN?
Our cars, when set up right, handle like slot cars and based on the Car of the Month feature on this website have the potential to be turned into head turners like any other car!
And don't forget, the 3rd gen, as far as I am concerned, was the last REAL American Camaro- it was built in the USA. The 4th gen is a plastic Canadian product and the 5th gen was based on the Aussie Holden platform.
Our time is coming- and even if it never does, to the degree the '69 has I have the car I always wanted and I always will!

wonderbudd

I agree wiith you micktroup2, what you just said about the, too old to be hip but not old enough to be cool, i had a conversation with a guy at the car wash about third gens and how he was lloking for one and i had mention about people not actually taking time to see what they have to offer as far as handling,for a muscle car breed, thats being said the guy spoke of not knowing till he drove one, im 23 and wasnt able to enjoy this car at the time it was new,or when i was in high school cause thise is what i would of drove, but the guys that did drive them during high school days and on till actually settle for a dd or something economical,are now wanting that car they drove in high school, and actually have the funds to upgrade the things they see fit. I see them as a car in the grey area...for now soon they will be the next car to have or enjoy restoring and companys will finally come to relize that there is a demand for parts and what not. Wether they like it or not. 80s generation is getting well dont wanna say old but something like that.

yaj15

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Ha ha yeah I know what you mean. This weekend I went on some local back roads and really showed a guy in a 5.0 Mustang how well these thirdgens handle.

I like the torque of the TPI engines too still. And like you, there are folks who have swapped in LSX-style engines in to the already capable 3rd gen body for not much money and can really hang with cars that cost a lot more money.

LHernandezJr

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penguinpanda0

I'm a 17 year old thirdgen owner, and honestly people my age dont see these cars as trashy at all. I think the stigma will disappear with the coming of newer generations. When I first found my 87 IROC (at about age 14), I automatically decided it was "a nice car", simply because it carried the Camaro namesake. In fact, most people I know consider the fourth generations to be the trashier car, strangely enough. I think the era in which the 3rd gen becomes a classic is coming, its only a matter of time.

kmcn47

too bad about skellitors car though

yaj15

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Yes I was sad to see the thread about that car. That car was very nice! Hopefully he will be able to find another car and be able to get behind the wheel of a thirdgen again.

LHernandezJr

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erik69&85

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For all the trash talking about third gens that editor Nick does at the front, check out the column by Mary Pozzi on the last page in this months (Oct 12)!!!..

She totally puts the editor in his place!. She slams him hard over his third gen opinion.....Such a great read!

yaj15

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Yes I read that ha ha!

Strictly from a buisness sense - if your magazine covers all Camaros why would you want to remove a potential client list from that pool of loyal followers? That just dosen't make sense.

Yes I get that Nick's comments worked in getting a rise out of folks - I'll stop purchasing the magazine if that continues - I think that message got across to the magazine owners and publishers loud and clear. People forget that whoever owns and publishes the magazine makes more than double what Editor Nick gets. So if they have to cut his small take of the pie of so they can keep getting their lion share of the profit - Nick is going to be gone. That's just good business practice in my book.

I am curious to see the next issue and what Nick has to say the next time a column of his is published.

Manic Z

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Well, at least they`re on the right track. This is the first time i`ve bought back to back issues of CP in a looooooong time.