FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

Im not there yet but i figured now would be a better time to ask then later. All the body panels are off the car and i planed on painting the panels while they where off the car. but its going to be hard to do this seeing as laying the panels out with enough walking room in a booth is about worth two 3rdgens not to menchen the rolling "quarter panels". so iv been really just thinking about bolting everything on getting all my gaps perfect then taking it all off again and spray all the jams on im unsure how to go about this i thought maybe doing a 2 stage then clearing the jams after the exterior. i was talking on the phone with my dad about the car and we touched this subject he had the idea of me jamin the car with a single stage. it would be nice to have everything bolted up and losey hung on the car so it could be painted more efficiently with out taking up 3 booths
so i think thats my plan now. i think i would be more comfortable with jamming it before i get around to the exterior but im just worried about how to blend the jams and exterior paint...

TIMMYS89GTA

iTrader: (28)

I would go with the singlestage idea for the jambs.
If all the panels fit fine,then there is no need to remove them again.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

remove them to paint the jams... everything new so i want to make sure it lines up frist

TIMMYS89GTA

iTrader: (28)

ahh,I see where your coming from now.You're right on the fitment check,and you can paint the jams outdoors with singlestage as long as the weather is decent(65 deg.)min. Instead of clogging up a spray booth with clutter.

Tmic87TPI

iTrader: (3)

mock everything up to line it up, disassemble it, do jams base and one coat of clear. assemble it all and paint! dont paint everything separate, the orange peel won't match up plus it would be a pain and take up alot of space. Ive always been taught to paint everything as one.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

Only one problem with that. The over lapping of the paint over the cleared jams.... since the clear is well "clear" any paint you get on top of that will look like its sitting higher you'll have different depths and shades depending on light etc....

92purplehaze

iTrader: (8)

I was taught to mock it up, disassemble, paint everything separate, assemble and paint again... (to get a paintjob youd pay over $4000 for) Not saying youre wrong just thought I'd throw that out there

Tmic87TPI

iTrader: (3)

when I did mine, I sprayed the jams before the outside, then I masked off the jams and made a "hard line" of clear in an inconspicuous spot where nobody will ever notice it, looks good to me.
and everybody in this trade really is taught different, there really is no "wrong" way.

redfivexw

paint the jams first, reinstall all your parts, mask the jams and paint the outside as one.

1piece@atime

iTrader: (1)

Cut everything in off the car even if you have to do it in two batches. Use the same paint for the jams that you are going to use for the exterior. You do want it to match don't you? The only thing I would do in single stage is the engine bay if you want to do it that way. After it's all assembled and everything is lined up and ready for paint, you can use some of the round foam tape to mask the jams. It leaves a feathered edge that is easier to come back and blend in later.

acole88

i was always told to do it this way and i honestly think its the best. bolt your car together and get everything lined up. remove the door panel and leave the door open when your painting the car. just mask off the opening to the door. this way you can just lightly shut the door and only open it when you have to shoot some paint in the door jams.

youll chip paint off of the body panels if you put it together AFTER theyve been painted. especially the bumper covers. ive done that before and if your putting them on by yourself, they will want to flop all over the place. youll be left with ugly spiderweb cracks all over them. save yourself the aggrivation and paint the car after you have it all together.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

im going 2 stage on the car. the thing im getting as is the jams i cant just paint and clear them "then paint and clear" the outside its going to look like crap like said earlier in this post. so your saying do the outside first then get the jams? so paint the outside, paint the jams, clear the outside, clear the jams? iv played around with my paint and clear to know and thats why im asking the jam question

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

heres my engine bay in 2 stage....

1piece@atime

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Cutting it in would be painting the inside parts of the pieces that are removed, like the doors and fenders, underside of the hood and deck lid. Also paint the door and hatch jambs and the engine compartment. Then reassemble the parts that have been removed and make sure everything fits nice. Now all the inner parts are painted and the metal parts of the car are assembled on the car. When you mask it up to do the outside you can use this round foam tape that is made for masking jambs. You would use a strip of it on the inner 1/4 panel and along the rocker panel. Then when you close the door it would fill the gap from the inside and it leaves a nice feathered paint edge. Not a hard tape edge like you get if you just tape it off. Then if that edge isn't good enough for the job that you want it's easy to go back and blend it in. You would also use it on the fenders, hatch and anywhere else there is a gap you don't want to get paint in.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

iv done that a few times just need to get be hide the door first before they get bolted on along with the fenders....
not really you can paint them off the car and then assumable it but that all depends on the paint and how its mixed, sprayed etc....
did you use a flex agent with your primmer/sealer paints or how ever the products you used to paint with tells you? if you didn't then thats why its webbing, iv never had problems painting flexible peaces off a car and putting them on. The car is getting painted everything going to be hung lose on the car so i can gap and space the urethane bumpers so im not left with unpainted gaps etc at least thats my plan now... its just jamming that im ehhh
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Ok that makes more since now....

1piece@atime

iTrader: (1)

I would never paint a car with the bumpers attached. Although I understand there are people here that disagree with that. Even if you had the bumper off and everything is prepped right it still leaves the fact that the paint can bridge the gap and create problems when it flexes and cracks.
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Oh good. Some things that are easy to do can be hard to explain.

redfivexw

I have probobly painted 20 cars over the years and never had a problem with with painting a car with the bumpers attached, never ever. You would have to lay down quite a bit of paint to "fill the gaps"

1piece@atime

iTrader: (1)

We probably average 30 jobs a week at the shop and will never paint a car with the bumper on. Or any other part touching the paint. And a tight gap will bridge with just a small amount of paint. But we've had this conversation before so there's no sense going over it again.

acole88

i think its going to really depend on the car you are painting. for me anyways, i have an 84 t/a with the aero package. problem with that is that the front ground effect is attached the the front bumper and overlaps the fenders. i think it would be a miracle to put the front bumper of my car on without cracking the paint from the ground effects flopping around or scratching the car with the studs from the ground effects. its not a simple bolt-on in my case.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

Not on my car.... the bumpers are all being spaced. there on no way would i paint a car with things bolted on or bolted on parts touching other parts.... if they where left on what do you think would happen if you needed to pull a peace off? all that caked paint in the cracks etc isn't well just use your imagination....

acole88

now thats a good idea. just leave the bumpers attached, but spaced a quarter inch or so. that way your not risking wrecking your new paint job when you want to bolt the bumper back on.

FueledSoul

iTrader: (18)

im not planing to but i might run washers between bumpers to space them out if i do leave them on i just don't know if im going to do that yet ever things tuck away the only thing i have in the garage is the car with zero body panels on it once i get into things and lined all have a better idea of what i could leave on etc... any and all peace are off even unbolted the front spoiler from the front nose and all that. i plan on doing this once and right the first time

redfivexw

30 paint jobs a week, must be an incredibly busy shop with 20 guys on staff.

1piece@atime

iTrader: (1)

It's a bodyshop. Few cars are painted complete. 2 journeyman painters, 3 jobs a day each. They don't work that hard and go home early a lot. Their helper works longer hours than they do.

CDN_87IROC

That's over 1,500 vehicles a year. A very busy shop.

FlyDoc

from the pic you posted you want a car that is the best possible. so to get the best paint, put on the body panels get them lined up get a 1/8 drill bit make alignment holes ( the pro restores do this) blow it apart, paint jams + clear, tape the crap out of it get some buddies ( no Beer) put the panels back on remove the protective tape, tape off the jams, paint and clear, wet sand. you car will look out sanding!! yes this will take time and space but worth it in the end.