BigLou907

alright so this last week has probably been one of the worst in my life. on monday i was on my way to my girlfriends house. i pulled onto my street an pulled into my neighbor drive way to turn around and as i was backing out a woman his the rear of my car. i was backing out cautiously and carefully and she even said she wasent paying attention to where she was going and side swiped my bumper with her car. admitly he car took way more dammage then mine, shes going to need to replace the rear driverside door of her car and her quarterpannel, but what sucks is i get blamed because i was backing up and wasent established on the roadway. she even told the cop who she called to report the accident that it was her fault and i still get blamed. but i understand the law is the law. my car wasent that bad at all it just looks like a scrape on my bumper and the paint is all chipped but with sum sanding and paint it will look like normal. the worst is that im only 17 and my insurance will sky rocket becaue of my age and the type of car i own.

now the second hit my car took this week i didnt realize until i went to wawa and saw my door. someone must have side swiped my car and kept going. the door was in perfect condition and now its got two bad dings in it. its rite below the door handle one on top of the bumper strip and one below. im pissed, i swear people are out to get my beautiful maroon camaro. now not only will my insurance sky rocket becaue of the first accident but now ill have to fix the door. i had planned to get it painted for 200 dollars by a friend, all i had to pay for is the paint and he would do the work for free. now i have to either pay him to fix the door/ replace the door/ or fix it myself and i dont think that if i just scrape some bondo over it is the correct way to fix it and i want it done rite. jeez am i pissed i dont have alot of money im 17 i play three sports during the year football/ wrestling/ and i throw for my track team so i dont really have time for a job until the summer. im pissed and dont know what to do with limited funds knoledge. boy oh boy has this been a bad week

i also apologize if my bit**ing has bugged you but i really needed to let off some steam thanks for reading

novafirebirdguy

Well how big are the dents? There really isn't anything wrong with using a body filler. Plenty of pro's use it to sharpen the body lines on muscle cars. Anyway, if they're small (smaller than a golf ball) then bondo should be ok. If they're bigger than that then the correct way would be to straighten the dents from the inside with a hammer, as straight as you can get it anyway, and then skim it with bondo. Whatever you need to do make sure you take it down to bare metal before applying bondo.
Alex

BigLou907

there both about 4-6 inches long and not really deep 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch, i dont know much about body work i just dont want to do it wrong u kno and have the bondo fall off or something haha but yeah i guess if i put bondo over it it should do the job im not completely sure tho tomro ill take sum pics so the dammage can be seen

Stephen

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If she is taking responsibility for the accident, tell your insurance that & fight it. Get you a court date & fight the ticket too. Worst that can happen is that it turns out like it is now. Or you could win! Do nothing & you "lose".

wesley_pontiac

dude,that beats all my bad wks. i sry,that rly is shity. but i agree w stephen on the fighting it thing tho. i kno wat its lik playin sports and ****,so i hope the best to you bud.

BigLou907

luckily i didnt get a ticket, i think the cop knew that since she was the one at fault he gave me a break and ill b sure to talk to my insurance company about disputing the charges

thanks man

BigLou907

thanks man and ill b sure to fight it, and yeah its tough playin sports but good lookin out any way

wesley_pontiac

hey,always happy to help bud.

BigLou907

i still have to take pics so the damage can be assessed by all you thirdgeners out there

scottmoyer

The dents can be removed easily by a dent removal guy in your area.

As for the first accident, you were definately at fault and if you fight it, it will cost you more. Look at the facts, the lady was already on the road. She has the right of way. You were backing into traffic, you were wrong. It's also not like you backed into her in the near lane, you crossed another lane of traffic before hitting her car. If she hit you, it would have been in the front of her car, not the side and rear of hers. Accept the fact that you were not paying attention, regardless of what the lady says. She doesn't have to prove anything because of her position in the road. The only thing she needs to prove is that she wasn't speeding to get there before you could stop. I'm sure she can prove that. You'll feel better about life if you take responsibility for your actions and not blame others for "your" mistakes. Rant off.

BigLou907

first of all scotty, who are you to tell me if i was paying attention? and before you jump to conclusion about me get to know me. if i was at fault believe me i would be the first one to say it, and like i said i understand how the law works and why I'm being blamed. and to be real i dont have to explain sh*t to you or anyone else (except my insurance company or the cop). but i will because im going to defend my honor ill make an exception. now in you car when you back out, when you look to ur left becaue their is no rear window in a third gen just the hatch glass and the drivers side window their is a small blind spot, but im not blaming that, also i dont think u know the type of street that i live on, its small two way street it dosent have lanes, or anything like that, on one side you can park your car and theirs JUST enoguh room for two cars to pass eachother if you come up or down the street at the same time. i was backing out of the side that the cars can park on an their was a mini van on my let and and some type of sedan on my rite she was coming up the street on my left so their was nother blind spot making backing up more difficult. and like i said i was backing up slowly and cautiously, if you could contact the woman she would tell you the same, as for where the hit was, she said she wasent paying attenton. if she was going the speed (25) limit or above an looking on the other side of the street which she claimed she was, my reaction time considering all of my blind spots and her inbility to pay attention caused her to pass my bumper with the front of her car, becaue i was unable to see her continued to back up (realize this is all happening in less then a second), an we collided where we did. now i dont kno if i did something wrong but to me considering all of the circumstances still do not feel at fault. you may feel how u feel but i kno what the truth is and i feel i just presented my case well so thanks for reading, scotty

scottmoyer

Wow! A 17 year old calling me Scotty!! I don't need to get to know you after that. You summed it up right there. You're a 17 year old that believes the accident could not have been your fault. You have no honor to defend here. You admitted fault a few times when you state that the 3rd gens don't have a rear window. The whole back end of the car is a window!! The fact that you know the road is narrow, a van was parked to one side creating a blind spot and that there are blind spots in the car (which you stated is a small blind spot and you aren't blaming that), tells me that you need to take extra precaution when backing out and know what's behind you. When you back up, you do not look over your left shoulder. You look over your right shoulder. You are supposed to glance out the side window, not try to back up through it. You have side mirrors to guide you but the back window should be used.

Since you will be explaining this to a cop or a judge later on and your insurance company, believe me when I say that they will see things the same way I did. When two people are involved in an accident, there is either equal fault or one sided fault. In this case, she was already on the street proceeding forward at the legal limit or close to it. You were on private property entering into her already obtained space. Regardless of the blindspots or her inability to pay attention to cars approaching from a driveway, she had the legal unobstructed right of way. You have a lot of excuses!! That's what the insurance company will hear also. Been there, done that. The only thing you can plead is that because of the conditions, you could not see her. Unfortunately, you are still at fault.

Driver's Ed doesn't teach you guys what you need to know about driving anymore. They focus more on the penalties for 1st, 2nd and 3rd offenses to drunk driving. They probably don't even teach what the street signs mean anymore. Most people think that a yield sign means the lanes are merging and the everyone needs to look out for you.

BigLou907

yeah a 17 year old is calling u scotty, and just because im young dosent mean im a bad driver, how many adults do u kno that arent good drivers, just becaue of someones age dosent necessarily mean that your a bad driver so you can get that out of your head rite now. true i may not be as experienced as you or other adults but that dosent mean i dont think before i manuver my car. second drivers ed gave me fine lessons dont knock it til youve tried it buddy, and when backing up yes your suppose to look over ur rite sholder an use ur mirros but you do have to look over the left to see out of the drivers side window. that all comes with being a cautious driver i learned that from my father and drivers ed. also i to drive in a tractor trailer so i kno all about mirrors thats all you have when theirs no rear window and your backing up a trailer, and third gens dont have a rear window the hatch is like one but where the speakers are placed you know that is a blind spot and in other cars like my dads monte carlo their is a rear window behind the drivers side window thats what i meant it give you a bit more visual, and you keep saying the same thing about how the law works. I KNOW! thats why i said i understand how it works an thats why i have to take responciblity i get it. thank you but the fact still is that she was not paying attention she was established on the road but still when you driving especially in a residential nehiborhood you need to be looking around what if i was a kid running into the street god forbid what who would be at fault then think about that. i understand how it looks to you from ur point of view but we'll see what the insurance people think so thank you and i really dont mean to be rude but when i feel like im being attacked by someone who doesnet kno me i tend to get a bit hostile im sure you understand

BigLou907

heres sum pics of the dammage

obrien

whoevers fault it is...im sorry to see it. hope u get it fixed buddy

BigLou907

thanks man i hope so to shes my baby hahaha

3rdGenGuy6792

The law really does suck. Im 17 too and was driving home the morning after my junior prom from my girlfriends house last year. I was driving my dad's main car and came out of a side street making a left and there was a car coming but it was far enough that i could have made the turn. Well some ******* flew around him doing like at LEAST 60+ (speed limit is 30) as im half way into the street and he smokes the rear end of the car. Totalled the car. The insurance companies were saying it was 70% my fault which sucks. The insurance didnt go up for some reason.

Anyway I have a 3rd gen this time around and ive never been more cautious while driving lol.
Sucks about your car though man. If the lady said it was her fault then she should have just paid for your repairs without even going through the insurance company. That would have made things much easier.

dhowdy

So you're asking what would happen if a kid ran into the side of a moving car? I'd be inclined to say it was the kid's fault...

BigLou907

your so rite...... an that sucks man and i hate how they assume that just becaue were young that wen we get into accident that its always our fault.... and im also a very cautious driver, i mean i have my fun on occasion but i do it when its safe and no ones around..... but id never do something crazy while backing up or while its crouded that would b retarded.... and yeah she rly could have paid for my dammage knowing it was her fault in the accident wtf is that about...... but thanks man

BigLou907

true but what if the kid was standing where the tail end of where my car was (and it was not like in the middle of the street it was like a foot or two farther out then the car that was parked next to the drive way i was coming out of) at the time waiting for the car to cross so they could get a ball or something u kno

DARKmj16

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omg this is funny! adult lectureing teens...well let me put my insight in. im 21 and you adults dont now everything! do you know why drivers ed so calls foucuses on drunk driving? guess. its not bc we are drinking and driving, no its bc of co workers like mine (30 and 29 and 32 yrs old) who drinks and says, "o i now my way home ill be fine" then ends up crashing his car 2 blocks from his house. and also when driving down a narrow street like that and seeing all those cars parked i take extra care to watch for MOVING OBJECTS. and if she said she wasnt paying attension then cleary shes at fault. and about the cases and why there is not ticket, the law is NOt black and white, theres grey and in this situation its grey. she wasnt paying attention, he had blinds spots which make it impossable to see clearly like he should (note thats why called blind spot) so what are you going to do? fault some one bc things out of his control stopped him from clear seeing? or fault the girl who wasnt paying attention? o and i do take responablity for me, i have -25 points on my linses. all from speeding and you now what not 1 single accident, bc why? im careful.

lol to avoid the grey area of this accident put some cones out and have some one out there saying road closed while backing out, should make some people happy.

and as scott said there should be a dent remover gun thingy. basicly it puts like a nail into the middle of the dent and you pull the nail to pull the dent out, bondo it, sand it, paint it.

BigLou907

lmao thank you scotty over here had me feeling like im some type of dummy or something haha.... and yeah im gonna use some bondo lest hope that does the job.. and i guess the cop could see that the woman was at fault an the law was screwing me over or he was just a good guy, either way im glad their was no tick haha, and yea being careful (which i was) is key haha thanks buddy

dhowdy

I don't think there is any doubt in the mind of any responsible driver who was at fault in this incident.

Bottom line: If you can't see adequately, don't drive.

91RSinNS

So you took Drivers Ed? Good. Should have taken English though. That might have helped a bit.

I hope you don't want us to believe that you can drive a tractor trailer. Riding IN a truck, and looking in the mirror, and actually having to USE the mirrors are two totally different skills.

I'm still curious about why you were turning in your neighbors driveway. Edit: Just reviewed those pictures of your door, as I was curious. Those aren't from a side swipe. Those are from someone hitting the door, either with the toe of their shoe, forearm, elbow, etc. There's no paint damage, no scratches, etc. It wasn't caused by another vehicle.

BigLou907

so ur telling me that when u have a blind spot when your driving u just stop driving?

BigLou907

sorry for not using proper english while im typing i figure its better to just get the point across and yes i can DRIVE an 18 wheeler and USE the mirrors, im quite talented thank u, an i can drive the semi USING the mirros straight and backward and i can even turn it too... and i was turning around, i was pointed in the wrong direction of where i needed to go my moms car was blocking my drive way so i just figured that instead of driving around the corner or making an illegal u turn id just do that, and there is paint dammage idk if it the top hit showed in the pics it mayb it was the camera resolution but i think i have a pic with the scrape ill post it

BigLou907

heres another pic of the damage and a scrape

DARKmj16

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hmm this is tricky, and yet again i have a response! hes not saying dont drive if you have a blind spot bc well by that logic no one would drive (insert demeaning word directed towards who ever gets offened by this) no what hes saying is he, and others, shouldnt drive when they cant see 360 degrees to back out. no you should instead bug other people to move their cars, call into work/school and just dont go anywhere that could be important, or have someone pick you up. thats what it sounds like he does and tells others to do. i dont now bout you all but im the one with the car so that logic dont work for me.

and yet again the preacher does have a point. there like no paint damage so something none metal hit it, shopping cart comes to mind, car door maybe? or bat but it doesnt look like another car side swiped it, unless it hit it going slow and used the bumper...hmmm backing up into it?

hey bud thats not 1 hit, looking at those pics some one has it for you. the one under the door handle is gona be shopping cart or some one getting you. the other one is gona be something like a car moving slowy hit it (like backing up) or some one hates you.

Schwinny

Yeah Dude, Your done for.

And yes, You were at fault. Same thing happened to my brother a year ago, in my mom's saturn sl2, (Nice car btw, Ever see one cheap, get it) And he got hit by a dodge 2500 Diesel.

But yeah, Thats not that hard of a fix, Bondo, Metal hammer, And a good weekend.

Ps. I wouldnt mock a moderator. Never a good career move.

BigLou907

see now im not crazy cuz ur seeing the same things i am about what that guy was saying how ridiculous did that sound....... and yeah idk exactly how that hit happend i also think someone may have backed into me... and yeah i knew their was two hits at the bottom is the paint exchange (or atleast i though) idk, i kno i didnt cause it like the other guy seemed to have though up top but either way i need to get it fixed

BigLou907

yeah ur rite i guess i jus gotta suck it up...... and yeah lets hope its easy.... and a mediator, we'll if someones going to post a negative reply ill be sure to let them know how i feel..... and it think these adults out her think im doing all the carzy things with their car as they do, or just becaue im a kid and i own a sports car that i do crazy stuff like them most likely but i really dont like i said i have my fun on occation but when its safe to do so im not cruzing around the streets lookin for trouble idk but hey what ever a negive replies are good, good constructive critism or it gives me a good chance to argue... if u havent guessed i wanna go to law school

DARKmj16

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still dont think its his fault, its the grey area.

also im not mocking just a mod, i mocked a mod?, anywaz ive mocked 2 people on their views. i dont care if they member, mod, admin, founder, supporter, FBI, CIA, NCIS i dont care when i object to what one says im gona say my opition.

layers, yucker. strongly dislike me lol only ones who beat me in arugments.

ha in my town here i fnally got respect for me and my camaro since i was 19 i think. when every body saw that im driving a nice muslce car instead of a non american car, and im not reving the engine at every stop light. also you dont see many muscle cars in the impound lot or beening scraped from an accident. but i do remember the feeling.

dhowdy

Having a blind spot and seeing adequately are two entirely separate things. If you cannot see, you need to adjust to the situation in a manner that allows you to know what is happening on the roadway around you. You don't simply go slow and guess/pray that no one will be there. Watch the first twenty seconds of this as it pertains to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1Lfmo3dps

BigLou907

hahaha lmao i have a feeling we would be good friends if we lived near each other haha... im the same way idc if ur the friggin president if i dont agree with u imma tell u an dispute what u say.... and i kno lawyers they can be real tools haha but shoot if u like to argue an dont care about what people say or think then hey i think thats ur profession or go work at mcdonalds they seem to have the same feeling ahaha and exactly like i respect my car and what i have especially how the american auto makers seem to be doing now these will be rare cars if they go under.... but lets hope not its these young d*ckheads out here that have a 4cylinder (not to say the iron duke wasent kick a$$ lol) japanese POS an think their hot sh*t who get in trouble and mess up their cars and other peoples cars i respcet what i have and take care of it the best i can

BigLou907

im sorry i dont think ur thinking realistically not to say u cant adjust to get a better view of things, which believe me i do, but ur never gonna have perfect conditions there will always b a blind spot or an area in which u cant see but i agree u gotta adjust to ur conditions and that video sorry to tell u wasent really funny or infomitive close but no cigar haha

JamesC

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There's nothing of real use here that I can see

JamesC

kkingsrulee

The fact of the matter is that you were at fault.

You're obviously an inexperienced driver. You either weren't paying attention as you backed up, or you choose a crappy place to turn around in.

Had you been paying full attention you would have noticed a car coming as you backed out, unless there were multiple cars blocking your line of site among other obstructions.

Now in this case your lack of experience in driving comes into play, had you been driving for 10, 20, or 30 years you would have made the decision that the driveway you pulled into to turn around provided an obstructed view of the road before you decided to turn around.

You've got a long way to go if you plan on going to law school, better perfect that english now because it is seriously lacking structure and punctuation.

Those critical thinking skills need to be developed, and they do over time, so your argument that you're a faultless driver at 17 is futile because of this very reason.

Either way it was your fault, there's no point in arguing and getting "nasty".

By the way, no one cares if you're 17 and playing three sports in high school, how is that relevant to the situation? It's immature and makes you sound like you're trying to show off.

You've got a long way to go if you plan on going to law school, better perfect that english now because it is seriously lacking structure and punctuation.

BigLou907

yes there were other obstructions blocking my view im gonna take pic of where the accident happened, and yes i still do have alot to learn but i still dont think that im 100% at fault here and really i didnt start this thred to argue just to tell who ever wanted to listen about a crappy week that i had, and the reason that i said im 17 and play sports is to explain about my limited time except on the weekends to work on my car and why i dont have money rite away to fix the dammage and pay this high insurance that really was not something to show off i dont think and that was not my intention so im sorry if u felt that way but thats not how i was trying to come off.... see i didnt try to argue even though u called me an immiture show off

DARKmj16

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hahahaha im loving this! but james c does have a point, should be moved to like the rant section but anywas. dhowdy i agree with you and i think the video was funny, ha something i would pull, "what are you doing?" "im.. guessing" lmao sounds like a smart a** to me. love it and kking...omg really? hes 17 and you THINK he odesnt have the driveing exp?...do i even need to say something or can the rest of you imagne what i will say? cmon man. and as for the crappy turn point...WE DO NOT LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whats with some of you saying this and that...you know that would be great! if we lived in a perfect world but hey time to wake up and relieze we dont! omg surprize! and o wait i now people who are 35 and up who do "stupid" things like he did...hmm wana tell them to not pick crappy driveways to turn around in? on a side note atleast he wasnt trying to break the law "i didnt want to go down the street and do a illeagel uturn" i believe thats what he said. and if you read and paid attention, as he said, he was explaining why hes not like some people with rich parents or high paying job and couldnt go right out and fix it.

whos getting nasty? eerything said can be tooken 1 of 2 ways, one you see the constuctive critism or 2 your immature bout peoples veiws and are offended.

GodSpeedGTA

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Let this thread die. He doesn't need anyone else to blame him or justify him. We've all read both sides and it doesn't matter. The argument will not change the outcome whatsoever. Please stop wasting your time and find something constructive to do. Stop replying and this let this thread fade into TGO oblivion.

DARKmj16

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but i have nothing else to do right now lol. and ill let it die no problem, but will others?

BigLou907

yeah we can let it die idc i was fun though and i am bored hahaha but its up to people i cant control who wants to reply to my awesome thread haha

Dizturbed One

Got halfway down this thread and wow...

You can still "see" places you can't see if you properly use your brain. You reference a point before and after the blind area that you CAN see and wait the appropriate amount of time for ANY POSSIBLE TRAFFIC to make itself apparent and give it time to drive from the blind spot while making sure no other traffic ENTERS the blind spot. After adequate amount of time (depending on the length of said blind spot) you simply know there is no moving traffic. All of this would have taken approximately 3 seconds in most situations. You didn't do this, so an accident occurred even though you were backing out carefully. Please remember this for the future.

And while not saying it so eloquently or intelligently, I'm sure this is what Scott meant by "experienced" drivers probably not having that problem. In my mind, for it to not be your fault this lady would have had to

A. Be driving beyond the speed limit at a rate that did not allow proper logic to be applied to the situation (I'm talking really fast here, not 10 or 15 mph over)
B. Be stopped in the blind spot, and then suddenly accelerate at your car as you backed in front of her

If she did neither, you were at fault (whether you acted wrongly or not). But don't take it so personally, we all have to learn and have all done this. Some of us (like you) were just unfortunate enough for it to be on the road and recorded. Luckily I was on anything I could grab that had wheels, a motor, and a way to steer it (the last bit was optional back then) since I was a small child, so I looked plenty stupid plenty of times before it was public, hahaha.

BigLou907

the thread continues.....
i agree with just about everything u said....... but when i pulled in the drive way i didnt just back up instantly i looked behind me on the left and rite but the cars were blocking my view..... as for her speed i couldent tell u how fast she was going, all i kno is that all of a sudden i herd a boom and she was about 30 yards up the street when i got out of my car but ill give her the benefit of the doubt by saying that she was going the speed limit tho i could not tell you for sure.... and ive been the same way since i was younger i love mortor bikes i have a moped type thing a gas 2stroke scooter so i get where your coming from haha

89rser

im just gonna say this, just because a person can make a tractor trailor move to and fro, and turn from side to side does not a truck driver make nor does it mean the person can drive a tractor/trailor. acording to federal regulations unless you can safely opperate a comercial vehicle as well as hold a class "a" CDL, or a class "B" in your wallet,(wich i do and have for several years), you do not know how to operate a tractor trailor. and as far as claiming talent, that is a rooky driver mistake. when you boast you eventualy will bust, i know i made the same mistake my self and so has every other driver out there who has drivin for any extended period of time. never boast, never bragg, because it will come back to bite you in the butt....it always does..i know how it feels to see something you have get damaged, it sucks, but thats life, you learn from it regardless whos fault it is and you go on a lil smarter the next time...

kkingsrulee

matts86cam

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IMO your third gen should be loud enough and mean enough that people scatter whenever you get in it

Stephen

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Nah. Cars should speak softly & carry a big stick!

//<86TA>\\

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yea, i will ahve to agree with that. Loud cars get old quick. A quiet, fast car is the way to go