bad_to_the_bone

hey guys i found this from ssbc brakes it an upgrade for front calipers for cars that came with stock cast iron calipers with 60mm piston and 10inch rotors... now we can upgrade to a 2 piston 38mm each as a bolt on kit dunno how much increase in braking we would get but its an option for some of us im thinkingof taking this route as my car is a street car and hardly goes past 90 mph


http://www.ssbrakes.com/commerce/det....cfm?nPID=8679

fireturd350

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Main drawback is the price because that's pretty steep for just a caliper upgrade in my opinion. You can usually find old brake kits on eBay pretty cheap or even get something from Ed at flynbye.com. I think the dual piston C4 Kit is going for $700 there and that's dual pistons, new spindles, 12" rotor and etc.

JamesC

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A board search would provide more info on SSBC, but the bottom line is that most members forego SSBC replacement pieces for the 1LE, LS1, C4, etc. Regardless of your final choice, good luck with your project.

JamesC

bad_to_the_bone

well for the ssbc kit your right price seems a little high for a caliper swap but if you get to keep you existing 15inch wheels its probably woth it.. but i think it could be worth it but never heard of flynbye.com b4 and did not see the c4 kit.. but i noticed they had modified spindles to accept ls1 brake and on ssbc there is a 4 piston compitition brake kit for the ls1 cars that accepts 15 inch wheels as my car has 15s and occasionally i put the stock 16s on it

http://www.ssbrakes.com/commerce/det....cfm?nPID=9436

72vega

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http://www.flynbye.com/

fireturd350

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C4: http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i1.html
1LE: http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i55.html
LS1: http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i7.html

Past that you get into the serious kits such as the 12.2",13",14", and up rotors which normally are pretty costly.

Larger rotor should grab better just do to more surface area for cooling and pad contact. Watch out for some the aftermarket brake kits for our cars. Some are drag setup and not made for the normal street duty abuse.

I'm currently in the process of doing a 12.2"x1.25" rotor swap on mine with 4 piston calipers. 15" draglites might fit with a spacer but will be very very tight.

Ed's a busy guy so it takes him some time to get back to all the emails and stuff. He also has 3+ weeks normally for building kits. They're just not pulled off the shelf and shipped.

BlackenedBird

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The Wilwood D52 calipers are much cheaper, a direct fit (advertised as, but no personal knowledge here) and way cheaper.



http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-120-10937-RD/

luvofjah

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I think I asked about those Willwoods and they are not a direct fit...

As mentioned above, for the $$$ the SS ones, you don't get much in return...

What made a big difference for me was the steel braided brake lines. Still using the brake pads my car came with, but will upgrade those too when I need to.

As for a whole new set of brakes (rotor, caliper, etc...) for twice the $$$ of the SS,

Aerospace Components has PRO STREET DRILLED AND SLOTTED KIT Part # AC-225VRDSP

Scroll down the page...

http://aerospacecomponents.com/index...d=18&Itemid=69

Be sure it's street legal kit...

fireturd350

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I have the old JFZ ones, which basically look like Wilwood. They require spindles to be modified (ears cut off, bolt holes drilled, tapped, and there bracket to be used).

Those aerospace ones don't look too bad. The downsides I see right away is the 0.81" thickness and the wheel stud size. 0.81" might be a little to thin. I think the stock rotors are 1" or 1.1". I imagine it would just depend on how much you ride on the brakes. You would also need new lug nuts, 1/2" instead of metric, and possbily would not beable to reuse your external caps if you have them.

mcquigg

One option to consider is upgrading your brake booster. Putting more hydrolic pressure on the calipers will significantly increase your stopping power. Check out this link. It's a cheaper way to upgrade, plus if you decide to put a big brake kit on later this unit will only make it perform better.

http://www.hydratechbraking.com/

robguitargod1

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LS1 front brakes can be done for $200-$300.

BlackenedBird

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Those look like nothing more than an expensive way to do the Astro Van hydroboost master cylinder swap.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brak...ydroboost.html

articwhiteZ

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Hi
In fact. Willwood has a set of Just Bolt on for the 3rd gen Camaros..(under $375) W/pads and new slide pins

you can get them in Black/Red/& Polished (W/the big WILLWOOD) logo
on the calipes also.

you can get them single piston
Or
the 2 piston type if you like they are for the standard none 1LE Set ups.

i my self picked up the red set. will try to get some photos up.

thay even take your old brake lines (i did the full ss lines front & back)

they knock off 8lbs off the front of your car swap out with your standard calipers.
my set up is for the stip/street. so the standard front size set up is fantastic with the 4" wide tires. and 3300 lb car.

and i did the singl piston caliper. (WillWood) told me it has more clamping force
over the 2 piston on that size of caliper..and set up..

But if you want the 2 piston they do make it..Bolt on..

BlackenedBird

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Link?

articwhiteZ

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this is a ebay link a few bucks off.. and ebay bucks.

summits i think maby $4.99 more? and only $12.95 shipping
and always easy to deal with. so check with Summit

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILWOOD-D154...item336d18fc36

and summits
http://www.summitracing.com/search/?...-12097-R&dds=1

BlackenedBird

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Or get them in cast iron for 1/3 the price. I guess it boils down to performance or looks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-D154-BRA...item336d18fb42

Nelz

Based on this:

http://www.circletrack.com/chassiste...g_system_heat/

This:

http://lukeskaff.com/?page_id=333

and if you need the formula for area of circle it's here:

http://www.mathsisfun.com/area.html

Your stock Delco Moraine Caliper has more piston area and thus are better than those calipers.

SSBC basically built a caliper with the same piston area as the 1LE calipers.

The only improvement they could make would be a more rigid caliper. You are better off buying braided brake lines and rebuilding your stock calipers with HAWK pads if you want to stay with 15" wheels or do not want to convert to LS1 brakes.

You can also get slotted stock rotors and then you would have basically the ultimate low budget brake combination. (Do NOT buy cross drilled rotors. They crack and do nothing to enhance performance.)

kciaccio

Anybody use this kit?
http://www.flynbye.com/catalog/i104.html

kciaccio

I like this option. you can't even see my calipers behind the GTA wheels. Anybody install these yet?

BlackenedBird

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My concern about Wilwoods would be what about getting replacement rotors/calipers/pads/bearings/etc.? Are they off-the-shelf parts? Or harder to get & only from Wilwood?

And it appears that they are still a bolt-on rotor vs the floating style used in 4th gen F-bodies/Vettes/etc, that are "common" for a big brake upgrade.

sofakingdom

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The "problem" with stock brakes isn't that they don't have enough pistons. It's that the rotors are too small.

Larger rotors give the pads more leverage on the wheels; just like putting a longer handle on your ratchet to tighten a bolt. Putting a thicker socket on the ratchet won't help, any more than more pistons will help your brakes.

IMO the "solutions" that retain the stock rotors are just a way for somebody to make you feel good while they're taking your money for something that won't do a damn bit of good but you'll enjoy it anyway (if you're not a logical rational scientific kind of person). Designed to be sold and bought, not to actually accomplish anything beyond facilitating a transaction in their favor that they wouldn't otherwise have been able to make. Don't fall for the scam.

The point about serviceability is CRITICAL if you intend to drive them as anything remotely approaching a daily driver. About the last thing you want is, your rotors getting chewed up because your pads are back-ordered, but you have to get to and from work ANYWAY. That's THE BIG ADVANTAGE of the LS1 system.

BlackenedBird

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For my daily driver, that is exactly why I questioned the Wilwood ones & why I lean towards get LS1 brakes. Other than the modified spindle & rotor hat? It can all be easily gotten.

Obviously new calipers would be only from Wilwood but other than that.....
How easy is it to get replacement bearings?
How is it to get pads?
How easy is it to get new rotors?

If the calipers are the only "special" piece that would require getting something from Wilwood, I'd consider that route since I have NEVER had to replace a caliper in my 25 years of driving it isn't exactly going to be a common thing unlike the wear parts.....bearings/pads/etc.

And we all know how it would be to ask flynbye about it.....Might take 2 months to get an answer IF I even got an answer, which is more likely.

87350IROC

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Nelz,

How many times do we have to do this? It is a myth that bigger pistons are universally better. All brakes are powerful enough to lock up the brakes. Brake piston area and rotors size determines the feel of the pedal. People don't realize it, but what you think of your brake's performance is largely based on how they feel. You continue to push larger piston / small rotor options like stock. That is fine, but it produces a long pedal. That is not what most people want. Most people like a shorter pedal. It is confidence inspiring.

87350IROC

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How is this a good deal? These calipers are $14 at my local parts stores. I can assure those pads are less than $30. Sounds like a ripoff to me.

87350IROC

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One by one

rotor: C4HD available at your local parts store

caliper: available many places online, but I don't see this as a big deal, when was the last time you need to replace calipers in a pinch

pads: available many places online, again, you have plenty of warning for when they are going to wear out. The Wilwoods have a much larger pad volume than the LS1 / C5 / C6, so the pads will also last much longer.

bearings: same as stock, available at parts store

And it appears that they are still a bolt-on rotor vs the floating style used in 4th gen F-bodies/Vettes/etc, that are "common" for a big brake upgrade.

Not sure what you mean. Floating rotors are super high end only. I have never seen a floating rotor under $400. Do you mean a slip on rotor vs rotor/hub combination? In that case, again the Wilwood kit uses a C4 HD rotor which is a slip on rotor.

BlackenedBird

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Ours "bolt on" using the retaining nut under the dust cap. LS1s use a hub/rotor. So yeah.....I meant the rotor/hub setup.

87350IROC

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Couldn't agree more.

87350IROC

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I have started helping people with brake kits. If you ever need any info, let me know.

John

87350IROC

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Cool. FYI, this is technically what a floating rotor looks like. The friction ring can expand and contract with respect to the hat.

Nelz

If you look at the date of when I posted that comment it was before I started a thread of the stock brakes. Our banter enlightened me quite a bit.

87350IROC

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Ooops, my bad friend. Sorry about that.

BlackenedBird

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Unless you are the owner of/employee of flynbye....Thet shouldn't need you to be answering questions for them. They should be taking care of their customers themselves.

I see that according to their website that apparently they have now eliminated email contact. Now it is by phone or just order & hope. I guess that got rid of the weeks/months of people waiting for email replies from them.

Too bad, because I wanted to ask about a couple of their brake kits. And for personal reasons.....Phone is VERY unlikely to be happening on my end.

87350IROC

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Let me be quite clear, I am in no way affiliated nor do I personally know the folks that run Flynbye.

Questions were asked about a kit, I know the answers, so I help.

My point is, I know quite a bit about brakes for these cars. If anyone has a questions, I am more than happy to help, I love brakes.

Some brake stuff I have been playing around with:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brak...brake-kit.html

John
john@perdoch.com