TVP122

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the ABS missing link, a S10 47 tooth reluctor / tone wheel ... **** ... I mean pictures ....

the only 2 you'll probably EVER see ......

SlickTrackGod

****? Why would you want primitive pulsating crap GM truck ABS on your car? Might as well add traction control also and just kill the whole car.

Sorry if I sound abrasive, I am just speaking the truth. you can pedal a car to stop faster manually. It is basically "braking for dumbies"

TVP122

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guess you need to go do your home work ......

you couldn't be more wrong on EVERYTHING you posted ...

87350IROC

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LOL come on now. I know you are happy with yourself, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to design/machine those. It probably is the only time I will ever see them, but it is not because nobody else could figure out how to make them.

Good luck with the project.

John

TVP122

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surely .. if I got it done ... anyone can ... lots have tried and failed .... like the 4 pedal approach above ...

87350IROC

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So why don't you do the community a big favor then and share the cad file so anybody who may be interested in the future can have a set made.

TVP122

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I went a step above and beyond that and offered them at MY cost ....
weird ...only got one taker .. most only slandered the idea ... told I was wasting everyone's time .. called a profiteer ...

I only posted trying to find that -one- guy again, or another like him .... I sent him info and never heard back ... he has the entire setup installed, minus these wheels

I don't OWN the files ... long of the short ... I called in SEVERAL HUGE FAVORS to get these ... a NORMAL PERSON couldn't afford these services even REMOTELY ..... rocket scientist? VERY CLOSE ! I had to put the CNC time on my credit card just to get it done at all ... they are unobtainium at this point ... how long has the thirdgen been out of production ? ABS has been posted to this board how many times ? ... and since I'm a newbie .. I couldn't possibly know about the posts on Missouri.edu right ?
I don't DARE ask for the files to GIVE AWAY ...... I'm lucky at this point to
have pictures to share ...

but don't worry ... I'm pulling the rotors off a 1LE\B4C to hack up for hubs .. I BEGGED you guys to save this car too !!!

87350IROC

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Ok, that will happen some times. I have access to all kinds of cad packages. If you ever need anything designed, let me know. I am always happy to help people here. Just so you know, even the very basic $80 turbocad is overkill for designing a tone ring.



Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Look, I think there are people interested in how this turns out. But I think a lot of people (including myself) were put off by how you approached this community.

John

t-top havoc

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TVP122
I think the issue is that for upgrades, ppl go for vette & 1LE stuff. While your idea is not a terrible one, possibly the cost would deter most..
Ideally--
Go thru the process & post pics, report the good, the bad & the ugly.
When you're done, give your opinios & facts compared to stock safety stopping distances.
Maybe those with the vette & 1LE upgrades can give facts on their safe stopping distances??

TVP122

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the -design- is the EASY PART .. GM did that for us over a decade ago ... everyone knows what it should look like ... it's the engineering secrets ...
that's why it took 5 completely different people to come together and MAKE THEM !!

and there you have it ... post your file ? or is that just a sketch ?

87350IROC

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I can't see how much "engineering" you have in this. You are basically copying the GM design and modifying it to fit your hubs, no?

The conceptual operation of a tone ring is quite simple. Sometimes things are harder than they seem once you really jump into a project. I just don't see it so far.

Just so you know, I think your asking price of $250/pr is fair considering they are specialty low production stuff.

My model is a solid and is just a copy of your photo. The dimensions are meaningless. I'd be happy to create an accurate solid for distribution if you are willing to provide dimensions. Changing the dimensions should take only a few minutes.

John

TVP122

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that's ALWAYS the problem ... you can't see the engineering .... the design is plain as day .... it's all the M.E. stuff you take for granted ... like the guy that built the construction scaffolding for a nuke cooling tower ... the ME spec'ed galv bolts ... so surely these stainless ones are stronger ... yes .. but more brittle ... cost 7 lives I think ....

I don't have the files ... I don't have the brand new S10 rotor I had dropped shipped to my guy to get the dimensions off of ... I don't have anything but the ring\wheels ... my dial calipers will give you 3 different answers to the size of 2.02 valves in 3 tries ..... so I can't even venture a close guess ... someone posted dimensions of S10 rotors ... not sure it covered the rings though ...

I paid substantially MORE than $250 ... $250 pair was for 10 pcs ...
I paid the setup and NRE on one pair .. not spread out across 5 pairs ...

87350IROC

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I do appreciate the lecture. However I am a practicing ME and AE in an industry as regulated as the nuclear industry. I get what you are saying. However again, this is just copying what GM did. The key is figuring out the following:

tone ring tooth geometry
sensor
ring to sensor spacing

Of course GM has already done this. You just copy what they did. I am very happy to discuss this in a technical matter. I am not an expert in signals processing. But just saying, "you don't get it" doesn't work for me. For the good of the community I think it would be nice for you to talk about the challenges beyond copying what GM did. Clearly I am overlooking something critical.

John

Jetmeck

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Don't get me started.............everything he said is absolutely correct.

This is the biggest waste of time ever seen on this board.

Totally unecessary................

How much are these paper weights that will never, ever be installed on any 3rd gen ?

TVP122

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interesting ... and where do you race your car at ?

TVP122

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sorry ... don't know if you can tell or not ... but I don't have time to explain it to everyone ......

87350IROC

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Interesting. So why are you here then?

SlickTrackGod

When I race a Ferrari 599 Fiorano, which i am a professional instructor in- whether i have active handling on or off I can stop that car just as fast.- HOWEVER, I can not enter a corner as fast with it on because that crap screws with the chassis yaw and wants to keep me from turning. I can not set the attitude of the chassis with it.

ABS is good for the rain, but not performance driving when it pertains to taking corners under hard braking...FACT. Even that almost $400,000 Ferrari I get paid to drive will not turn under those conditions unless I am off the brake pedal prior to entry. once I release it will rotate, but not until i do so.

Im sorry to inform you bud, but Ferrari computer controls is alot more sufficticated that GM's on the newer high end cars. The F360 and F430's have a terrible system, but the 599 is incredibly fast in response. I have driven both a 2011 ZR1 Vette with carbon brakes as well as race a $200,000 Katech Vette with 740 hp- but the owner left traction control on me and I still beat his laptimes by 4 seconds with the hinderence of the car not wanting to rotate.

I am absolutely qualified to make the statement I made. I would never put that crap on my car.

Dean

TVP122

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even more interesting ... I said why .. these aren't for sale ... and your not the guy ... why are you here ?

TVP122

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good for you .... if your not driving into the corner so hard that your lifting the inside rear ... in the rain .,... in a 14hour endo ... then I guess you'd never understand why the F1 guys keep sneaking these systems into the code .... but good luck .... I'm racing BMWs and Mercs that are 5 years newer with ABS, traction and stabilty .. you tell me how to beat them since your the -expert- ? I easily have more power (torq) and better handling and way more rubber .. but when they have all four under control and I'm dragging one .. even with posi .. it's just about impossible ... and pulse the pedal on all four faster than the computer can pulse just the one ??????????? REALLY ?????????????? and still stop faster ? come on now ... seriously ? if the F1 guys CAN NOT DO IT ... what makes you think ANYONE CAN ? and you expect me to believe ANYONE OF YOU can ? .. when I see the PROS at daytona doing it SEVERAL TIMES A LAP !!!!!! all last night ....

SlickTrackGod

you just wrote something about lifting an inside rear wheel in the rain? and that F1 guys do it? Pros at Daytona do it?

I got something in there about BMW's beating you and you are frustrated. I have proof of my 3rd gen eating a BMW M3 for LUNCH coming off California Speedways high bank at 125 down to 35 into the infeild chicane- somehow miraculously without ABS-I mean I ate him for lunch.

You have handling issue bud, and that is affecting your braking issues from the imbalance of the chassis.

SlickTrackGod

Im still trying to understand the relevance of this answer.

I will look at the first sentence-1) I do not drive so hard 2) in the rain 3) in a 14 hour enduro 4)and because of that I'll never understand why F1 guys 'sneak these systems into the code" What systems? and when does a F1 car run 14hours in the rain and when does an F1 car ever lift a wheel?

Please explain because I can not understand what you are trying to say- can you give facts to back these statements of the 1-4 above. We can just start there and forget about going to the rest of the paragragh for now.

SlickTrackGod

Ill tell you what. I can respect that you are putting effort and money into something that you want to try and make work for your personal reasons. I get that. I see you list "reluctor wheel ****" so I am like ...What?......and I know nothing about you or any of your issues.

If you are having truoble with the handling and braking of your car then why not ask for advice rather than throwing money at trying to engineer something that 1) nobody else has, and 2) most importantly is illegal in class racing and will probably be considered cheating if you do get it to work for you and you actually podium and get quarantined.

JamesC

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As this topic seems to illicit more than its share of animosity and verbal sparring, please contact the OP directly if you have further commentary.

JamesC