Rage_2K_85

I just picked this baby up... still alot of work to do but Even though the interior's red i think it's a steal, I've had a guy look at it and he told me that barring there being something seriously wrong with the brakes he'd safety it as it sits!
If you zoom in on the instrument cluster you will see the odometer reads 1158457 not too shabby. The rust on the passenger side is only surface, and shouldn't get too bad if I can hit it with tremclad before winter. I've allready grabbed a 305 for it (the 2.8 ain't staying in there for long) and it'll be ready to roar come spring time.

Sonix

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That's pretty sweet ! A lot of cleaning (in the bay) and that thing should be pretty slick come spring.
I really like that tach style, the whole cluster is nice.
Hey, are you in my neck of the woods?

dubcity

Haha, $10 he will ask "Want to race!?"
Jay i wouldnt mind once i get headers, cam n intake manifold
but my car will be a blingin with my 18"s!!!! im sorry i couldnt resist... there just so amazin sittin my my room
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Oh btw, dope car
hehe i picked mine up for $700

Sonix

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oh yea Dubcity, bring it on. But hurry, i'm going to have to uninsure it soon due to the winter, and me being a university student with no income.

Heck, race me as is, give us both a nice baseline.

ps - I fixed my fuel supply problem, no stumbling now. I'm eager to find out what it'll do next to someone willing to race me.

pps - bring a digital camera if you've got one, I have no video of my car running, my sources of digital cameras to borrow have all dried up.

dubcity

spring time, and you got it! my insurance ends on oct 31, but im storein it now because ****inggg SNOW!

Sonix

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yea, today was an omen I think... I'm going to try and squeeze a few more weeks out. Gotta drive the girl to banff when she gets here, so...
Alright, you better keep turning wrenches over the winter. going to port up some heads, and get a cam for the beast??

dubcity

ummmmm maybe??? i doubt i can do a cam my self, so in other words "keep handin out dough" sounds bout right

Sonix

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Paying people to do work for you, is never going to teach you how to do it.

How do you think I learned how to do this? Last winter, I just.. did it. Lots of threads on TGO helping me out too. Not like I had a mechanically inclined dad or brother or anything, they are on the "pay some guy to do it" bandwagon.
Heck, you've got all winter to learn, giv'er!

dubcity

How am i sopposed to get my engine out?! i actully dont have ANYthing... i got a jack and most tools everyhousehold does, if not a little more.

Sonix

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? I didn't say remove and rebuild the engine guy, take'r easy here!

I don't have a motor crane either, I borrowed one from a guy at work. I bought a motor stand (all of $70 from princess auto) to rebuild mine.

but; A cam swap, only required wrenches and sockets. Nothing exotic at all.

Cylinder head porting requires a die grinder, and maybe a valve spring compressor. I bought those for a $100 total. heck, I can loan you the die grinder if you're going to do it.

dubcity

for a cam, Comp Cams sugeested a CL12-210-2 for me.. what ever that means... and said i would have to change lifters as well and id need 2 correct? and what would i need for lifters?

Sonix

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I wouldn't do that cam, but it's close. That part # is a kit with lifters.
Yes you'd need lifters (if you buy the cam without lifters). Any lifters will do, lifters are lifters are lifters.
Budget $130 for the cam, $80 for lifters. That's what I paid here in calgary, local prices. Then $40 for new fluids, $30 for gaskets. That's just cam, throw in head porting too. It'll be a bit pricey when the smoke clears, but it'll be a lot cheaper then your 18" dubs YO! and it'll actually do something to effect how the car runs! (ya r|cer!)

dubcity

LOL Beg your pardon? Youll bee Jeaaalous when you see me rollin, its not all bout goin fast, but lookin good aswell
Oh well, then i guess youd be pleased with me, i just remeber i installed a short shifter a week ago (pro5.0 and it pwns) oh and i also bought a electric exhaust cutout... not perforamnce related but i bought a dashpad off of 305q_ta86
I think the next thing im gonna do is headers and cam, then alarm and then paint paint paint... im thinkin a cheap macco job will last me till i get a real job and make lil more money, because i got a qoute for 7569... but thats ridiculous that shop is a Riiip off, my bros probe got fixed there, started off at being a qoute of $700, then became $2300... so im for sure not going there...
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and i would need 2 cams right?

Sonix

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No, one cam needed.

ha! My car may be ugly, (like fugly ugly), but at least it's fast.

And it was cheap. Still more tuning before it's mechanically perfect.
Then I can start on interior, creature comforts (like a windshield washer sprayer, doors that close, seals, interior plastics that aren't broken), and finally, paint.
I'm sticking with my 15x8" wheels though. There's just something about 275/60 tires that makes me smile. At least until I go fatter.

dubcity

haha mine was Cheaper, but slow(er).... but mint condition next to paint
So for a cam what would i need? what would you suggest thats "big" and agressive?

Sonix

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You don't want a big agressive cam, you want to go fast.
Are you going to port up the heads like crazy, or just the cam?
What rear gear ratio ya got?

dubcity

haha, i just want it to sound Goooood and get some power...
according to this site its the 3.73, but again that has me clueless
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oh and i think i might just do cam... unless porting or w.e is cheap and easy

Sonix

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Don't know what W.E is.
It can be relatively cheap, but the main thing is, you're going faster. It's worth it.

You can probably use a CompXe262. If you did some work to the heads, i'd say the Compxe268. It'll be a little lumpy in the 305 but still driveable.

dubcity

w/e w.e =what ever
relativley cheap meaning? like 400?more less?
and what exactly does it do?(other then make you go faster) would i need anything else after i did that?
i just did a few searches and most people said the 268 is rough in a 350, let alone a little 305, so im not sure lol

Sonix

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I have a 268 in my 350. Drop by if you want to see what it's like. It's very tolerable in a 350, with a standard trans. If I didn't tell you I had a cam in it, you probably wouldn't know.
305 it'd be a bit wilder. That's why I suggested a 262. If you wanted lumpy (sounded like you did) then i'd say go for the 268.

Yea, cheap being under $400 for sure. If you just port it, then it's pretty cheap, just need new head gaskets - $40. If you upgrade valve size, get it machined, etc etc etc, then you're closer to $400. Oh, positive valve seals and valve springs are a very good idea. Total below $400 though for head porting.
I'm running ported 305 heads, just with bigger valves.

I wonder what Rage has to say about all this...

oh yea, see sig.

dubcity

but would a 262 still give me the kinda lumpy sound i want?
I just might have to drop by some time, dang you said your in dalhousie? so i just walk a few blocks hope on the train, hour+ later Wala!
So how do you do porting? im searched a few but didnt really get much, like i mean whats the main main point...? alowing more air in? compression or something? lol... im trying to learn here

dubcity

hehe safe to say this thread has been JACKED.

Sonix

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sheesh, drive here... or is the car up on blocks by now?
Yea, i'm a stones throw from the dalhousie station. Doors open, when i'm not in class, which is where I am 8am-2pm basically.
Porting - yea, just give the air a nice path way. It just gets more air in the engine, faster. Less restriction to the air way.
You can think of it simply that way.
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Or you can think of it from mechanical engineering fluid flow perspective . But grinding the metal is the same, no matter how you're thinking of it.

A 262 should get it a little lumpy. You want more? Then go for the 268.

dubcity

haha yeah, maybe this weekend i could pop by with maybe my bro... definatly not my dad he doesnt want me to do **** to my car... even though i have no sclue when he had a 1978 Z28 350 turbo and then a 1981 Z28 350... he is focused on keeping my car orginal and gay **** like that...id rather pop by with one of my bros since im not old enoguh to drive by myself
I asked my uncle to do the headers with me and he is all for it, then theres my dad he makes me think like this "its harder then it sounds" blah blah no no no tsk tsk :P

Also, for the 268 would i need to port the heads? or could i leave it as is for time being and do it on seperat occasions? or does it need to be done all together?

Sonix

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You can do it seperately. It'll make the most power once both are done.
It's less of a hassle if you do them at the same time. Don't have to tear it all down twice.

geez, you can't even drive yet? boy, might want to wait a while, 300HP is kinda hard to control when you're learning to drive.
hey, how did you plan on racing me then? Boy, thats one quick way to lose your license for another 2 years or so...

dubcity

lol, yeah man thats why i said spring im drivin in may...
ahh we can make a few pases at race city, its only like $10 to enter, then $3 to rent a helment they do a quick inspection and ur good to go for the whole night...
Learning to drive? give me a break im been driving for almost 2 years! i can handle my car just perfect thanks
so I CAN put a cam the 268 cam in and nothing else? and it will be able to run? Safely? cuz i dont know if i would want to port my heads, id like to make plans of a headers, intake manifold and a cam and id be set till spring
and then with my cutout itll sound sooo mean im excited just thinking about it
Oh and what part number would i need? i cant really find a 268 on summit, they all have lift degrees and stuff... and for lifters anything will do? lifters are lifters? doesnt matter the size?

Sonix

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yea, I need to bolt down my battery to be legal. I coulda sworn it was $25 for the night there...
we'll see once spring comes I guess.

ok ok, I lied. You'll need cam, lifters, springs. Maybe locks, but I kinda doubt it. Do you have a caliper? Get a set of calipers, digital ones from princess auto are $30, you'll use 'em a lot.

Headers should be top of your list. Intake manifold isn't going to give you much HP, but if you really want to do it, giv'er.

Doing a good job of porting the heads takes some time, but I can't stress it enough - it's worth it. Trust me on that. I'm talking like 30 HP easily. Got it?

Lifters for a small block chevy are all the same. Basically. If you get some mail order ones from a country you can't pronounce, and you pay $31 for them, then there's something wrong. Go to MOPAC or Performance auto center (whatever it's called), they're about $80 a set.
The cam on summit is ~$120. Locally I paid $132 I think. With summit, after going to CA dollars, shipping etc, it's more money. I'd get it locally. You have a better warantee that way too.

Part number is 122422. So on summit, 12-242-2 I think.
Yes, that's right. Hey, they dropped the price.
Also, springs like Comp 981's.

so, cam $130
lifters $80
springs $80
valve seals $40
intake gaskets - $20

=$350 say.

I'm not including things like engine oil. Might be a good idea to throw on a new timing chain too. $50. Things can add up when you start saying "well, since i'm there, I might as well... then I also might as well...".

dubcity

ok noooow... how "easy/difficult" is it to install? Lol
and for headers, you think i should go with the same setup you got?

OHhhhh that TA_305q guy wanted me to tell you something about my engine hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what was it... something like i have a chip controled carb or something?

Sonix

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oooh, uh oh.
A computer controlled carb. Nasty. You're on your own. Good luck with that.

Cam install? It's fairly involved. It's easy to screw up. Got a haynes manual? I'd read that section on it. I'd also browse the forums here for threads on it, so you know the common problems, etc.

Maybe I can give you a hand or something if you do it later in the spring or something.

Headers, yea, I think my setup would work for you. The hooker 2555 (or whatever it is, check the exhaust forum, it's in the sticky), those are apparently pretty good too. Grab a few part #'s from the exhaust forum, call up Mopac, performance unlimited, performance auto centers etc, and price them out. Then check summits price on them too. Then choose.

I bought the headers from Ryan actually. He got 'em off a car at the jy. That guys a real dealer alright... For a guy without a 3rd gen!

dubcity

yeah id be down to wait till spring... ill try and do the headers with my uncle and we can go from there... I might buy a hood off of Backinblack with a cowl with a 2-3" cowl, then get the edelbrock RPM intake... Car Craft magazine builds a 325 horsepower 305 small block Chevy V8 i just saw it on there and it seemed intake added alot...
but im off got damn homework n shiznit talk to ya later pz/