Demon_Eater

I've been looking forward to gertting a new engine, but having some differculties and I want to ask if these sound all right and would it be everything I need for a complete engine?

ENGINE:
Im thinking about getting an engine from PAW, getting an unassembled 4 bolt 350 GM 1-PC rear main seal, and I want to get the short block for ($1900)
http://www.pawengineparts.com/350%20...y%2087-95.html

CAM:
Replace the cam with the complete kit of Xtreme Energy 268H Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft
Lift: .477/.480''
Duration: 268/280°
RPM Range: 1600-5800

it says it is the largest cam for stock converter.
and the kit has include Camshaft, Lifters, Timing Chain & Gears, Valve Springs, Spring Retainers, Spring Locks and Valve Springs.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp+Cams/249/...746624%7C10707

CYLINDER HEADS:
GM Performance Parts Cast Iron Vortec SBC Heads
SB-Chevy Cast Iron Vortec Cylinder Head
170cc Intake Ports
64cc Combustion Chambers
1.940'' Int/1.500'' Exh Valves
.475'' Max Lift
Straight Plug
Assembled, Sold Individually

Note----- It says the max lift is .475" does that mean it wont work with the cam?

http://www.jegs.com/p/GM+Performance...10002/-1/10187

INTAKE:
Edelbrock Performer EPS Vortec Manifold

http://www.jegs.com/p/Edelbrock/769286/10002/-1/11937

CARB:
Edelbrock Performer Carbs
Performer Series Carb
600 cfm
Electric Choke
50-State Legal for All Pre-1980 GM V8's
Maximum Fuel Economy Calibrated
http://www.jegs.com/p/Edelbrock/743603/10002/-1/10271

ROLLER ARMS:
Comp Cams Magnum Roller Rocker Arms
Magnum Roller Rocker Arms
For Chevy 265-400
3/8" rocker stud
1.52 ratio
16 per package
High-energy pushrods incl.
http://www.jegs.com/p/Comp+Cams/747071/10002/-1/10233
DISTRIBUTOR:
JEGS Chevy HEI Distributor
http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/755778/10002/-1/10679


Do I need to get a new starter? do I also need a new flywheel also? Im getting a new clutch kit because my clutch is going out. I do know I need a electric fuel pump.

anything else I forgot?

thanks for any help

Z28ricer

iTrader: (2)

Lets see you've got:

Shortblock: $1900
Heads $580
cam Kit $330
Rockers with pushrods $170
Prob $100 in gaskets.

So $3080 for the longblock.
You can order the whole gmpp 330/380 longblock http://www.sdparts.com/catalog/crate...0HOEngine.aspx

For $2800, Same intake manifold, distributor, etc applies, you'd just save yourself money, avoid assembly time and trouble.

You wont need a new flywheel, both engines use a 1 piece rms crank.

Although IMO thats a lot of money to spend either way for 330 HP.

Reasonably you'd spend a good bit less installing an LT1 with your T5, even including putting a cam in it, and have a good bit more than 330 HP.

Demon_Eater

I agree with you (I've looked SO many places for a good engine for little bit less money, and alot less stress.) but I cant find a good engine

I've looked at that 330 HO 350 engine before, and that would be a great deal, but I also want to do a cam swap, engine though it may be pretty early as most people say it is when getting a new engine.

techinical supporters said that my flywheel, starter, and everything in my tranny will NOT work, (I find that total horse Sh*t, the only one I know I will need to replace is the starter) but he said that my manual 5 speed will not work because has computer sensors and wires in it and will screw it up.... I know there isnt any wires going to the manual tranny.

So with that 330 HO engine, and if I do the cam swap, will the self aligning roller arms will work fine with the aggressive lobes on the cam shaft? and do I still got to replace alot/most of the vavle train?

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

The heads on the 330 HO are not modified for more lift. If you get more cam, the heads are going to have to come off (or, some people have been using beehive springs for a little more lift).

The L31 shortblock is $1100. This modified Vortec head kit http://www.sdparts.com/product/SD806...formerRPM.aspx is $1100, and is a better intake than what you listed.

That block and head kit, with an XE268 and good exhaust, will put out much more than 330 HP - probably in the 350-375 range.

Don't even consider that Edelbrock carb. Cheap, perhaps, but you do get what you pay for. In this case, slightly less. Since you have a manual transmission, get a 650 CFM Holley double pumper.

Your "supporter" is failing you. As soon as you put a carb'd engine in this car, your computer will be brain-dead, and the transmission couldn't care less. There are wires going to it - speed sensor and back-up light switch, but that's it, and they don't need the computer to operate.

sweetaq

iTrader: (1)

Am I missing something here? If you are staying manual, does the "largest cam for a stock converter" matter? Could he not go bigger, like a XE274?

Demon_Eater

I agree with you what you said about the supporter, I think he mistaken me I was still going with TBI I knew already before I talked to him that the speed sensor and back up light switch was the only two things a manual have, I dont know where he was getting that I need to change out my whole transmission.

Those look all great, but I only have $4000 to spend, and maybe a little more,

I dont know much about converters, as for now, I dont even know if there is one in manual camaros or just in automatics.

and thanks for the information, five7kid, I may consider for right now get the engine first, then put those in when I get the money for it. me and my father been looking for a good engine just as for now, because my little 305 is going out, and we dont want to put more money into it.

Demon_Eater

Btw, I wanted to ask you five7kid, I wanted to ask you about he rear axle, and putting in a bigger gear, how much do you know that the rear axle to handle all the horsepower, and torque? I dont know much about the rear axle, but I was planning on putting in either a T56 tranny, or a 5 speed tranny that can handle the torque (dont know what to really call it, racing 5 speed?).

sweetaq

iTrader: (1)

the t56 will be plenty for your power numbers. I think five7kid is running a t56 in one of his 3rd gens that I believe puts out more than you are talking about running. I am 99.9999% sure you have no torque converter so yo could step up in cam choice to like a xe274 and get some more power out of it. New rear end gears speaks even more to running a bigger cam.

berryghardwick

Check YearOne. They have a 350 with 400+ hp and 400+ lbs for under $3,000 with a one year warranty.

SheldonZ28

iTrader: (1)

Dont even bother trying to make a T5 stand up to HP. Just go for the T56.

Rear diff wise. Im hoping my richmond geared LS1 rear will hold up to 350hp from my LSx. The LS1 rear is just a wider version of yours, so you should be ok.

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Work in progress. 2000 SS LS1/T56. Pretty much stock for the time being - LS6, headers, that's about it. Car and engine/tranny haven't met each other yet.

The T56 is pretty tough. 400 HP won't be a problem.

Demon_Eater

OOO there is one! thanks VERY much, but Im curious about this engine, I like that its a vortech engine, but I wonder if its a one peice rms, or a two peice... but I kinda assume its a one piece since most vortechs are a one piece, (or as I understood ) Damn thats a good price, But Im sorta afraid how hard on gas that will be, and the transmission will be crying.. (not saying I will hot rod the car, but still, with that much torque, its going to be hurting).

I've been looking for a T56, and havent been doing so much luck. tried ebay (just to see what they got) they didnt had much, and I've been asking around from car junkyards and car part places, they dont have much with 6 speed trannys, or they didnt had the right one that will fit my car.

what do you guys think with that 400 hp engine?
good or a bad idea messin with something that big?
because part of it, will be mostly be a used in a driving everyday car....

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Sorry, skipped over the part about the rear end.

There is a tech article linked from the thirdgen.org homepage about "ultimate 10-bolt upgrades". Aftermarket gears and axles, welded tubes, and support cover will help it last longer. But, it will still be a weak link. 12-bolt or 9-inch are the only ways to improve on that. 4th gen rears have the same housing as 3rd gens, so no help there.

Demon_Eater

yeah....
oh well, nothing I can do about it to my car for another year probly.
That engine with 400 hp is really nice, but I`can tell that is a real big gas problem, and I cant afford to drive it daily, it would be nice to find an engine that is a little more 300 hp, and below $3000 atleast, a little more is ok, but 400 hp is a little too much for me to handle, and for a small town I live in, there wouldnt be enough to do with a tranny and rear axle that cant handle the power from the engine. I think I may still go with the 330 HO engine, even though is going to be $4500 at the end of putting it all together.