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Old 12-30-2005, 09:24 PM   #1
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More than you ever wanted to know about BACKPRESSURE...

Hey guys. I've compiled information from a few different sources and have written a short post containing some information about a very often discussed subject - exhaust backpressure.

Most of this information was gotten from Lukn4Trbl on fbody.com, including the drawings. The man knows way more than anyone should about exhaust. I have edited alot of it for clarity, grammar and spelling as well as expanded on a few things that are more thirdgen specific and useful for the people in this forum.

Read on!!!

More than you've ever wanted to know about backpressure...

Free Flowing Exhaust: Unrestricted flow means unrestricted power.

Cut-outs: Unrestricted flow, but tuned length has changed = power band shifts (depending on length and diameter of pipe). This causes the "loss of low end torque" feeling.

Those examples above are two different tuning methods, and WILL effect torque.

Let's talk about engine mechanics first.

We have a camshaft which is GEARED to the crankshaft. There are VALVE EVENTS which occur at specified
degrees in relation to the crank position.

If you look at a cam card, you will see notes like:
EVO, EVC, IVO, IVC (etc.)

EVO = Exhaust Valve Open
EVC = Exhast Valve Close

You need to understand that these points NEVER
change no matter how fast the engine spins. You also need to realize that the exhaust pipes and headers CAN NOT change length as engine RPM changes (obviously).

This means that your INTAKE and EXHAUST pipes are
TUNED for ONE specific RPM.

RPM changes which also changes the WAVELENGTH of
the PRESSURE PULSE.

Understand that an engine spinning at 1000 RPM
creates LESS pressure pulses than an engine spinning
at 6000 RPM.

Also understand at higher RPM these pulses must
happen FASTER in the same RELATIVE TIME (IE: PER MINUTE)

So...1000 pulses per minute have MORE TIME to happen than 6000 pulses per minute.

This means that higher RPM pulses have a SHORTER
wavelength (pulse length).

Anybody here with a basic understanding of audio
can relate short wavelength of high frequencies of a tweeter to long wavelength frequencies of bass tones of a sub woofer.

Think about your exhaust system. You are on the
DYNO and holding the engine at 2000 RPM.

The exhaust length is 65 inches and let's pretend
the pulse length is 65 inches.

In the diagram below you have a RED line which
indicates the pressure pulse as it EXITS the exhaust
port and travels the length of the exhaust pipe. When the pulse reaches the end of the pipe, it meets the atmosphere. When a moving object HITS another object there is a transfer of energy.

Think of a wave of WATER hitting a wall and bouncing
backward - air moves in a similar fashion. When the exhaust pulse hits the atmosphere it will reflect back toward the exhaust port. The dotted blue line represents this reflected wave - notice that the blue dotted line crosses the black line at, or below the axis.

This means the reflected pulse has reached the
exhaust port with LOWER PRESSURE.

Question One:

Will having a low pressure pulse reflect back
IMPROVE, or HURT the next exhaust pulse exiting?




Those who guessed that LOW PRESSURE will IMPROVE
the flow of the next pulse are CORRECT.

Here's why:

If you were water, or air exiting this exhaust pipe, would you find it easier to exit if there was a valley, or a hill?

The valley is the top scenario.
The hill is the bottom scenario.

Think of low pressure as a WEAK force. `Low` meaning
low force, or low resistance. When the exhaust valve is opening and the piston is pushing the waste out of the cylinder, the exiting pulse is HIGH pressure.

The exhaust gas will exit easier if there is little resistance
at the exhaust port. You can also think of low pressure as a VACUUM. It actually creates a sucking effect at the exhaust port so that when the valve opens, the low pressure area sucks the gas out of the cylinder.

Remember...fluids and gasses move from high pressure
to low pressure - that's a key point here.

So the reflected pulse is tuned to reach the port at LOW
pressure.

Now, what happens when you open your cut-out at 2000 RPM?

Have a look at the next diagram. Notice the top drawing has Engine RPM at 2000 RPM. The bottom has Engine RPM at 6000 RPM.



Think about what happens to the `EFFECTIVE LENGTH`
of your exhaust.

Things to think about:

Is the pipe tuned for a higher, or lower pulse now? The long RED wavelength is the exhaust pressure pulse @ 2000 RPM.

Question 3: At 6000 RPM with a shorter exhaust
pipe, (or cut-out open), will the torque be higher, or lower?

When you're talking about cutouts the distance is CRITICAL and will tune the exhaust to be efficient at ONE
RPM, with a tapering curve above and below that RPM. The RED wave in the top example extends beyond
the length of the pipe.

The WAVELENGTH/PRESSURE PULSE length at 2000 RPM
is LONGER than the TUNED LENGTH of the exhaust
pipe.

Now when you open the cut-out at 2000-3500 RPM
on the street, you notice a lack of POWER. People say "I lost BACKPRESSURE...That's Why I lost power!"

That is not true. By opening the cut out, you
have changed the tuning of the exhaust for the
RPM range you are using. Think about a pipe organ. Wonder why each note on the pipe organ has a DIFFERENT LENGTH of pipe?

"But why does the frequency of the exhaust decide how much power u make?"

It does not decide how much, but when the power
comes in. The pipe length in the exhaust has everything to do with how much power is made.

If you read up a few paragraphs you will see talk of
reflected pulses and exhaust pressure.

At 2000 RPM an exhaust pulse is 50 inches (for example). If we cut a pipe to be "resonant" at 2000 RPM, it would need to be 50 inches. This pipe would only be resonant at ONE RPM, and ONE frequency. The reflected pulse at 2000 RPM will reach the exhaust port and create a LOW PRESSURE area.

While the valves are opening and closing, the pulse
is reflecting back at 2000 RPM, everything is tuned
and resonant...which means it is highly efficient.

Someone driving around in the city would tune their
exhaust to this length because it would be more
efficient from 1000 to 3000 RPM with a PEAK at
around 2000 RPM (or somewhere in the middle).

When this guy goes racing, he opens his cut out. But today, he wants to open the cut out and drive around town. The pipe is now cut smaller in length. The tuned length is somewhere in the 5000 RPM range.

While he drives around at 2000 RPM, the exhaust
pressure pulses are still going to have a 50 inch
wavelength...but... The cut-out does not allow the reflected pulse to come back 180 degrees out of phase.

The reflected pulse returns at a higher pressure
at the port.

Check out this diagram:



Notice the top section on the left and right side.

There is a hump with a green line highlighting the
highest point of the hump. Also notice the RPM
at where the peak of the hump occurs.

Directly below each is a simulated torque and horsepower graph. Which side represents a tuned exhaust for a SHORT PIPE, or CUT OUT?

Answer: Example two!

Just remember it's not BACKPRESSURE that is causing the torque loss, it's all about the tuning - you need to select a pipe length that provides the best power curve in a window of RPM that the car requires.

Just like above, if you're going to be racing,
place the cut-out in a spot that improves the
resonant RPM to around 5000 RPM (like the right
side). On a Thirdgen Camaro/Firebird this would be right around the catalytic converter area.

Then everything above and below 5000 RPM will
taper off within your shift window (4000-6000 RPM).

Continued....
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:25 PM   #2
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Here are a few questions so you can learn this a bit better. If you answer all of these correctly, you will
totally understand the difference between:

- Tuned length vs. Backpressure
- Restriction vs. Flow
- Velocity vs. Pressure

Quiz A
Using the diagram below, answer the 4 questions.

The RED line is POSITIVE PRESSURE (Initial Wave) and the
BLUE line is NEGATIVE PRESSURE (Reflected wave). Also note that this is very simple, it will be explained below.

The exhaust port is at the left side of the pipe.

#1. What is the pressure of the red line at the
exhaust port for Graph A?

#2. What is the pressure of the blue line at the
exhaust port for Graph B?

#3. What is the resulting pressure of both waves combined at the exhaust port for Graph A?

#4. What is the resulting pressure of both waves combined at the exhaust port for Graph B?



1. 3 psi
2. 0 psi
3. 5 psi
4. 3 psi

With some simple math above we can see that the
blue line is creating 2 PSI of negative pressure.

- 2 PSI (Graph A)

The Red line in Graph A is producing +3 PSI of exhaust pressure on the inital pulse. That means there is a difference of 5 PSI between both waves. The reflected pulse is leaving a negative zone at the port and literally sucking the exhaust out.

Since the initial wave is +3 PSI, it's going to
come out with higher velocity because of the 5 PSI
differential.

Graph B shows a similar scenario, but the reflected
wave comes back and hits the port at 0 PSI.

The intial exhaust pulse is 3 PSI.

Now there is a difference of 3 PSI.



Since the RED line is still higher pressure than
the reflected wave, the exhaust will move out
of the chamber, but not as quickly (velocity) and
therefore scavenging will be less.

You can now see that there is NO BACKPRESSURE,
but the power output will be less in Graph B.

We can also see that both pipes have no restriction,
and therefore cannot create backpressure on their own.

It is the tuned length that is causing a drop, or
increase in power.

LAST Diagram to PROVE there is no BACKPRESSURE in
a pipe:



In the above picture:

Pipe A is 2.5" diameter x 20 inches long
Pipe B is 2.5" diameter x 10 inches long

Which statement is true

1. Pipe A will flow more exhaust because it is longer.

2. Pipe B will flow more exhaust because it is shorter

3. Both pipes will flow the same exhaust because
their diamter is the same.

The correct answer is 3.

Therefore, you can conclude there is no restriction
in open pipes of varying lengths.

I don't want to hear any more bull about backpressure bringing the world to an end, or it causing cancer. The term you are looking for is "tuned resonance"
when dealing with pressure pulses.

This is why the power band changes when the LENGTH
of pipe is changed, or a cut-out is opened.

"Why is it bad to put a 4" exhaust on my V6?"

The larger exhaust pipe would alter the velocity of the exhaust pulses, which would move them out of tune for a given exhaust length. Theoretically it would be possible to design an efficient 4" exhaust system for a V6, but it would only be efficient at a rediculous RPM due to the smaller amounts of exhaust being expelled and lower exhaust velocity.

Clues:
- The atmosphere has mass and can exert pressure.

- Volume of a pipe increases with diameter and length increase.

So what's the relation between Pipe DIAMETER and Engine Displacement?

I didn't want to get too detailed, but there are 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 wavelengths that will enhance the exhaust system.

The trouble is, a secondary, or third harmonic is not as
powerful as the initial reflection, nor is the phase
of a sub-length wave. Excessive pipe diameters drop low RPM efficiency.

Tests show a loss in lower end power with an increase of pipe diameter. It's not always about the peak numbers, it's more to do with the average of the curve.

3" single is about the absolute minimum pipe
diameter for roughly 350 cubes peaking between
5500-6000 RPM.

4" single will do well with 400 cubes peaking
at 5500-6000 RPM.

2.25"-2.5" dual is about max for a 350 cube motor
peaking around 5500 RPM.

3" Dual is about maximum for a 350-400 cube motor
peaking between 6500-7000 RPM

With a larger pipe, there is more atmospheric pressure to overcome.
The pipe itself with the ENGINE OFF rests at atmospheric pressure. So...the more volume/capacity
the pipe has, the more work the exhaust pulses
have to perform to get out of the system.

Don't forget, the gasses are pulsing and moving
back and forth. Change in direction takes time,
and requires energy (inertia).

When you're dealing with exhaust gas which is less
dense than the air we breath, the exhaust has to
work very hard to get out of the pipe.

Getting the proper length and diameter is a big
deal when it comes to intake and exhaust tuning.

There are other variables which are going to come
into play.

"But what about my catalytic converter...or my
muffler?"

Which is more restrictive:

1. 3 inch inlet/3 inch outlet catalytic that flows 750 CFM @ 28 in./H20

2. 4 inch lnlet/4 inch outlet catalytic that
flows 600 CFM @ 28 in./H20

3. 2.5 inch pipe that flows 750 CFM @ 28 in./H20

The examples are exaggerated to show a point which
I believe is very important:

Restriction of a muffler, or catalytic can be overcome
in a smaller system and be more efficient than
a bigger pipe...as long as the flow is adequate.

Some tuners will go to a larger pipe while using
a somewhat "average" flowing catalytic/muffler.

They see a gain and attribute it to 'larger is better'
only because the surface area of the catalyic honey
comb has increased by 1" diameter allowing a touch
more flow than the 'average flowing' 3" unit.

Again, but investing in a high quality, high flowing
race muffler, or cat., the pipe size could have
remained the same with better results.

"As long as the cat/muffler flows the same cfm as the pipe, it would present no barrier, would it not?"

Not exactly. According to three sources:

David Vizard
John Morrison
National Dragster

A pulse hitting an object will be reflected.

In other words, the honeycomb center acts as the
reflective surface whether it flows well, or not.

This is the same principle as the pulse exiting the
pipe and hitting the atmosphere.

One last little blurb on crossovers.

As for H-pipe tuning and placement, I haven't been
able to find any conclusive write-ups to show
the correct tuning.

Here's a diagram of an H-pipe and two equal waves
per bank.

The pressure waves would normally be offset because
no two cylinder fire at the same time, but it will
help highlight the action of the H-pipe:



Well there's a quick overview of exhaust systems. If anyone has any questions I'll try to help you out the best I can. PM me or email me, or post them here.

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I vote sticky on this one....


That's some good info...
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Nice write up, i vote sticky also
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Yeah, this will probably only appeal to people who are really really into their exhaust systems

It would be cool if the mods would sticky this, I'm sure these questions will come up again and again.
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There is some great info here too:


"You can build a quiet exhaust system that performs almost like open headers."

By Jim Hand & Tom Hand

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance....p/exhaust.html
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Ouch, my head... So, those graphs on the bottom are basically cosine waves?
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Yes good post. Anyone know the benefits of using a X-Pipe on a third gen before the dual cats?
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Very nice layout of the info, kinda like an online course.

Great job dude, and yes this should be a sticky.
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Can you write conclusions? So my High Flow CAT and my 3" cat-back, flowmaster 80 series muffer, and it comes out to 2.5" and 3" tips.. Is this helping me or hurting me? Am i losing low end torque?

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Can you write conclusions? So my High Flow CAT and my 3" cat-back, flowmaster 80 series muffer, and it comes out to 2.5" and 3" tips.. Is this helping me or hurting me? Am i losing low end torque?
Your setup is just fine for an L03. It supports your current power and will support many more mods including a cam swap because you didn't cheap out and you went 3". If you ever decide to drop a larger motor in there I'd look into something besides a flowmaster muffler. They're on the lower end of the spectrum regarding aftermarket choices. I'd also look into headers and a good Y-pipe.
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Hey urbanhunter,
I have a 355 (redline=6500) with SLP shorty headers. I am getting ready to do an exhaust system and would like your advice. I am thinking about either a 3" oval-tubed dual with an "X-pipe", or a 3" oval-tubed single with a "Y-pipe". Both of these will exit right in front of the rear tires, so they wont be quite as long as normal (exiting out the rear). I am doing the oval-tubing because of ground clearance issues (subframe connectors). I have to exit before the rear tires because of subframe connectors and 3-link suspension. What is your recomendation?

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Hey urbanhunter,
I have a 355 (redline=6500) with SLP shorty headers. I am getting ready to do an exhaust system and would like your advice. I am thinking about either a 3" oval-tubed dual with an "X-pipe", or a 3" oval-tubed single with a "Y-pipe". Both of these will exit right in front of the rear tires, so they wont be quite as long as normal (exiting out the rear). I am doing the oval-tubing because of ground clearance issues (subframe connectors). I have to exit before the rear tires because of subframe connectors and 3-link suspension. What is your recomendation?

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If you can do true duals with a crossover, then do them! Alot of people will say 3" is too big, but as you just read above, you can't really go too big unless you're tuning for a specific RPM range. In your case, it sounds like you just want an out and out beast. Your true dual 3" setup will work great, not to mention sound great.

As for crossover pipes, an X will make more power but has an annoying harmonic reasonance recognized as a low humming, an H doesn't and sounds better but has slightly less power. If this is track only/weekend warrior, the reasonance won't bother you. If you do use an H pipe, the H should be slightly larger than the other tubing. In this case, 3.25" or 3.5".

I'd also recommend Long Tube Headers (hooker makes some nice ones) with at least a 1 7/8" primary with 3" collectors. You'd see a good power gain (if you're at least in the 350 hp area).

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Old 08-23-2006, 11:15 PM   #23
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Hello all, Hello urbanhunter44,

I have a built SBC of 427 ci. With this I have SLP 1 3/4 primaries & 3" collectors (Shorty headers) & 3" SLP wye pipe. The intermediate pipe is 3" back to the SLP 3" in , and dual 2 1/2 out. I have a cut out where the CAT used to be. Now I'm understanding that I need a 4" system to be better with my 427 @ 7k rpm, or true dual 3" system with an x pipe mid stream. Does all of the above make sense???

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Yep, it makes since. I agree the 4" system would be best with your 427. You might also be better off with 1 7/8" headers.