icarus402001

Are the 2055's really that good? What can they do to justify that kind of money? No wonder so many people run other brands.

86camaro383

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dont buy the shorties. But the LT's. More power and cheaper. 650. for ceramic coated. Or you can get the painted ones for about 200 less. You can buy dyno maxs for 110, and replace the header gaskets every month. Depends on what your budget is.

84z28350

Only problem with LT's are that you had better be prepared to shell out for a completely custom exhaust... And suffer the loss of some more ground clearance...


At least with the shortys you get the y-pipe and its runs all back in the stock location so the original or any aftermarket catback will slip right in!

icarus402001

My budget stinks. LT's are out of the question. My car is used too much to lose the ground clearance and some of the roads around me are really crowned.

luvofjah

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I picked up my 2055's from Jet Hot for a smokin deal, cuz they had been sitting there a while, call em up and check... Just installed them 2 weeks ago, gotta get a few things and then the Flowmaster Force II 3" 30 series system, 1 in, 1 out...

Rafael

Sonix

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Yea, the LT's are about the same price ($750, yikes!), but the 2055's come with the Y-pipe, that's what makes them..... sorta, worth the money.

Hedmann 68470 and 17470 shorty and y-pipe is considerably cheaper. They updated it with a ball and socket flange, so I think the y-pipe p/n is different now.

redbird92'

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I got a set of 2055's hooker headers for $150 brand new with no y pipe tho.

five7kid

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$750 sounds like a ceramic coated price. Painted are in the $410 range from Summit.

84z28350

Yea, the painted ones are usually half the price of ceramic or even less than half!

Personally i would rather get a painted set and put the rest of the cash into gas for the fuel hog!

xpndbl3

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headmanns are cheap and good for 400hp. get the y-pipe too. much cheaper as well if you're not looking for every last HP out of the car.

icarus402001

Which hedmans? Do they have air tubes. I live just outside Philadelphia

WheelsUp84z

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dont get the flowtechs, they are only 1 1/2 primaries, the 2055's are real nice set up and the y pipe tucks real well. see if you can get the ceramic coated headers and just the regular y pipe, you dont really see it so i dont see why you would pay so much for it.

Sonix

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read my post above, I listed the part #'s.
I edited it, since I called them "hooker" headers. The hookers are like the 2055's, the hedmanns are the 68470's. I'm running them, they're not bad. The y-pipe has a restriction, but it's easy to modify.

xpndbl3

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sonix posted the headmanns

icarus402001

Thanks, but I need the air tubes.

LT1FUN

I got my 1 3/4" SLP's for less than that and they're stainless steel and guaranteed never to rust out like a "mild-steel" set of header will. Plus, as I said, they're 1 3/4" so there's the potential for even better performance should you decide to one day dig into the motor with more serious mods.....

Cost wise, everybody can people can still put down the SLP's all they want, but they're cheaper the the 2055's and better quality in my opinion.....

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...hlight=SLP%27s


As far as long tubes are concerned, as others have stated, they don't come with a ypipe so they're really not any cheaper than shorties when you take into consideration the fact you have to get a custom exhaust fabricated to fit (or at the very least, a custom ypipe)

3rd gen's are already pretty low as it is so in all likely hood, you be hitting your exhaust over half the speed bumps you encounter. You'll probably also lose some low-end torque with long tubes as well. (I know that's been my experience with ever car I've installed them in and they were all on 500+ hp cars so I can't imagine that a stock TPI would behave any differently...)

Go with shorties. If your budget allows for those 2055's, I'd say go with the SLP's instead as they'll last forever and the larger diameter primaries are less likely to be a restriction over the Hooker's 1 5/8 primaries.


Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet. There seems to be hatred towards SLP's on this forum and there's a tonne of false information about them. Horrible fit/finish. Primaries rubbing the steering shaft. Having to dent the primaries with a hammer to get them fit etc. etc.

I never had any of those problems and these headers may very welll be the best fit/finish/quality headers I've ever owned.

p.haze92

Here is a set Hooker 2210's I found on ebay. Pretty good price since it includes all of the extras.
Headers

MrDude_1

if 750 seems like alot of money to you........ you dont have the budget to build a fast car anyway.

five7kid

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Mind going over the math you used to come up with that?

MrDude_1

take the coated headers and the ypipe, priced from the higher-then-normal-cost MSRP, and compare it to the header only, actual price...

LT1FUN

ThunderRacing sells the 2055's for $820
http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog...&vid=6&pcid=52

Summit sells the 2055's for $775
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

Just about every place I know of all sell the 2055's for upwards of $700.

Last time I checked, that's about $125 (at the very least) MORE than what a set of SLP's typically go for. ($650)


My math is just fine buddy. Thanks :

Perhaps maybe you can show me where you can get ceramic coated 2055's for less than the $649 the SLP's go for and prove me wrong.

five7kid

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You need to add the install kit the to price of the SLPs.

That's where your math is failing.

robertfrank

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I've got about 660 into my 2055's.I bought them for 385 shipped from summit and modified them.I drove them personally to the Phoenix branch of jethot to be coated for 275 shipped back to me 2 weeks later.As for my cat back I did'nt think to far ahead and just bought the aerochamber muffler.Luckily I had a hookup and a performance muffler shop here in town made me a 3inch mandrel bend with chrome tips for 200 bucks. so all in all I've got about 860 in my Exhaust total.

icarus402001

Thanks. Keep the encouragement up.
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Also,once again, I need the air tubes. SLP's aren't for AIR equipped cars,right?

LT1FUN

I didn't buy the install kit and everything worked out fine for me. It's entirely optional.

Have you seen what the install kit is made up of ?



You don't have to have brand new stainless steel header bolts. You don't need to have heat sleaves or additional clamps with the SLP's any more than you would, with a set of 2055's or any other header.. It's not mandatory. You don't HAVE to buy it if you don't want to. You can still install the headers just fine without any of that stuff.

In fact, SLP's "kit" is a total waste of money which is why 99% of SLP header owners never bothered to buy the kit. I'm one of them.

As far as the clamps and gaskets, my headers already came with them so I didn't need any "extras" laying around taking up space.

MrDude_1

you totally missed the point.

one comes with a Ypipe that connects it to your existing exhaust system.

the other is just the headers.

he didnt mean add SLPs crappy "install kit"... he ment compare the true costs of each, equally...
after buying the SLPs, you still need to spend MORE then the cost diff, fabbing up a Ypipe... and if you're payign someone else to fab it, it'll cost MUCH more...
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just trying to be realistic.. do you have a specific goal in mind, or are you just looking to spend the money you have?

Tru2Chevy

Last I checked, the SLP headers all came with the Y-pipe....

http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=30000C



- Justin

LT1FUN

Dude. I'm not the one missing anything, but apparently some on this thread are. SLP's already come with a ypipe. In fact, you CANT buy them without one. They're sold together. You can't get them separate.

Whomever told you that you have to buy a separate ypipe for SLP's, or have to have one custom made, well, they lied to you

five7kid

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They come with y-pipe that gets you part of the way from the headers to the cat. If you want to get the rest of the way, you need the install kit. Or fabricate something. $655 is for the 1-5/8" primary headers, they recommend their 1-3/4" primaries for 350's, which are $720. The least expensive install kit is $93, the more common one is $129. So, the least you're going to get ready-to-install SLPs is $748, and for the lesser product. If you want the better product, you're looking at $813 or $849.

The 2055's come with all bolts, gaskets, & spacers needed to get from the ports to the cat (for '86-'90 TPI single cat applications). And, with no 2-1/2" pipe between the "Y" and the cat. If you want, you can get 2055's uncoated for $410 - sure, coated is better, and no doubt, you can get them coated for less (although if you can't drive over to Jet Hot, shipping is going to eat up the difference).

I am not saying SLP's aren't worth it. What I am saying is count the total cost. Don't conveniently "forget" something so that your argument looks more favorable. If you have access to exhaust supplies and equipment that will save you money over buying what's prefab'd, bully for you, but don't assume that applies to everyone (because it most certainly does not). For the average Joe Retail, getting custom work done by an exhaust shop is going to cost him more than buying prefab'd stuff he can bolt on himself.

If I had a bigger inch SBC and needed shorties, I'd most certainly consider the SLPs. I'd be motivated to do something about the small pipe in the "Y", but the larger primaries would be a plus.

But to make a blanket statement that they're cheaper? Doesn't hold water.

LT1FUN

SLP stopped making 1 5/8" headers a while back. They don't even offer them on their website any more. They only offer 1 3/4" for 3rd gen F-body's and it's been that way for a looong time now.

Very few companies still have the 1 5/8 model and those that do, are simply selling off old stock. Once they're gone. They're gone for good.

My SLP's came ceramic coated. They included a matching ypipe and all necessary gaskets were included aswell. It cost me $649.

I did not need any "kit" to install anything. Everything bolted in the way it should be. Because SLP has the same exhaust fore both single and duel cat cars, they decided to shorten the length of the ypipe 3-4". They did this to avoid having two different exhaust models. They took an easier route and decided to offer sepperate "extensions" which are basically the remaining 3-4" worth of pipe.

Each is bent an an angle specific to either duel cat or single cat set-ups.


Again, buying this extension from SLP is not "mandatory". All it is, is a small piece of pipe that ANY exhaust shop probably already has laying around. It cost me a grand total of $15 to weld in that piece at a local speed shop. (That also included the price of the extension itself)

It seems you're trying to make it sound like people have to pay a HUGE amount of cash to have some kind of one-off custom fabrication in order to get a set of SLP's to go in and when all is said and done, they're like 10x the cost of the 2055's. That's simply not the case. You can see from the links I provided in my previous post clearly showing the 2055's go anywhere from $774 - $820. Either way, that's still a hell of a lot more expensive than the SLP's.

Just for the sake of discussion, the 2055's (at worst) are even more expensive then the SLP's and (at best) equal to the SLP's in price.

So either way, why pay the same/similar price, for a pair of 1 5/8" mild steel headers, when you can get 1 3/4" stainless steel for the same or less?

THATS the question people who are looking to buy headers should be asking them selve. It all boils down to value for the money and I personally cant figure out why someone would want to spend $800+ (with taxes) on a set of mild steel 1 5/8 shorties when they can get 1 3/4 stainless headers for virtually the same cost.

WillSpeedy

In case you don't know SLP stands for "street legal performance" As in 50 state emissions legal. IE.They come with AIR tubes.

icarus402001

Yuo're right . I didn't know. Thanks for clearing that up.

five7kid

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Straight from their site (as of 12/20/06, 6:35 a.m. MST, anyway):
http://www.slponline.com/browse_list.asp (you'll have to click on the "1982-1992 F-Body" link in the left margin, then on "Exhaust")
They are still offering 1-5/8", p/n 30000C ($654.95). They do not offer dual-cat headers. They do offer the 1-3/4's both w/ and w/o A.I.R., p/n's 30001C & 30005C, respectively ($720.95 for either) - so even though their name may stand for "street legal performance", not all of the products they offer are (the 30005C description says, "For off-road use only."). They used to offer non-coated headers; why they now only offer ceramic coated I don't know and their site doesn't say (but I can speculate).

Unless, of course, their site is out-of-date and you know something their site doesn't reflect.

The more expensive install kit includes a modified AC bracket - all that is, is the stock '82-'87 bracket with a leg cut off. Rather than sell you a bracket, Hooker just gives you instructions how to modify the one you have so it will work.

Again, I'm not saying one is plainly better than or worse than the other, or cheaper or more expensive than the other (value is clearly in the eye of the beholder), or claiming special or inside knowledge. I'm only addressing blanket and mis-statements based on searchable data.

One correction (from page 2 of their 82-92 f-body exhaust section) - you can get a non-A.I.R. install kit for $51.45.

Well, actually two - their description for each available header says it "may" require an install kit, but each one says that the cat adapter is required - $36.

Overall, pretty fuzzy. They do say, "Call for details on each item." I haven't.

But, no matter any other bias, the 2055 y-pipe is arguably superior, flow-wise, to the SLP's.

And you don't have to spend $750 to get a set of 2055's!

cameo

sounds pricey

five7kid

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When you grew up being able to buy headers for your Nova or Impala for $79, yes, this game is pricey.

firebirdjosh

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Long Tube Hedmans are $135, it's not ceramic coated but it's still nice. Have a Y pipe fabbed up or do a custom dual exhaust and you're still less than most competitors. It's definitely not the same thing, but in my case the extra's weren't necessary- I don't need AIR or ceramic coating.

icarus402001

Did byou read above about lond tubes and crowned roads?

Pat Hall

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That's all I gotta say to board member Cypress for selling me a brand new set of coated 2055's w/coated y-pipe for a paltry $400 a couple of months ago! If you're patient and keep looking, the deals do pop up eventually!

old Phart

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I just bought the ceramic coated Hooker 2055 headers and Y pipe for my 89 IROC for $659. and FREE shipping from www.motionparts.com Talk to Bryan Young at 1-888-668-4607

Azrael91966669

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku why not these?

Sonix

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nothing wrong with those, see the first post;
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...ion-chart.html

you just need to do up your own Y-pipe for it. After you're done that, you may as well have just bought the 2055's, and saved the effort of making your own.

Ron U.S.M.C.

Jet-Hot is selling the Hedman shorty headers, with AIR, including Y pipe ,all "Sterling" coated for 530.29 ( 27.00 in shipping ).( Part # 68481 ) That's only 163.00 more than uncoated at Summit. Looks good to me.

Dyno Don

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Look here:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exha...ml#post3470379

northeaster79

check out summits website they have the complete kit,painted headers for $439,and $750 is alot to sink into headers,and not everyone has money falling from ther pockets mrdude,building a fast car isn't about how much money you can spend.well maybe it is to some poeple,they are usually the kind that pay someone to build there cars for them though.

icarus402001

Not everyone wants their car fast. Some just want efficient. This is why I don't post much. Someine always has to sound like a big deal-anonynously.Thanks to everyone else. I may be getting the 2055's- finally.

Pat Hall

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Lol. Putting all the big egos aside for a moment, I do have to say that if you can find a good deal on a set of the 2055's, they're definitely worth it. I had bought a set of the Edelbrock TES headers before I got a set of the Hooker 2055's. I compared them side by side, and there really is no comparison. The Hookers are a lot heavier gauge, have better welds, and the ports where they meet the head are perfectly clean, and a lot more open. The Edelbrock's ports are pinched in on the sides, and there's a lot of welding bead that protrudes into the ports. My buddy has a set of Edelbrocks for his LT1, and they were just as bad. He spent a couple of hours with a die grinder cleaning up the welds before installing them. The Hookers also have the nicest y-pipe. Even if you decide to spend less by getting a set that's uncoated, you'll be happy with them.

icarus402001

Thanks, Pat. That's the type of information I was looking for when I started this thread.

Pat Hall

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Holy cow, I didn't realize how old this thread was until I scrolled to the top a few minutes ago! Judging by that, I'd say you're probably not in a giant hurry to get a set anyways, which is good, cause if you keep checking on here, you'll eventually find someone selling a set of them quite a bit cheaper than new. I had already bought a set of Edelcrocks, but I found such a good deal on the coated 2055's, I couldn't pass them up. They were still brand new, and I paid about the same as you would for a new set of uncoated ones.

icarus402001

You're right. I'm not in a rush byA NY stretch of the imagination. The car has been a weekend car until this year when my daughter began driving. Now my wife uses it more when I'm at work and my daughter has our Blazer at school. I plan to hold onto this car for a long time and eventually it'll be completely gone over.

icarus402001

You're right. I'm not in a rush by ANY stretch of the imagination. The car had been driven mostly on weekends until my daughter got her liscense this year. Now my wife uses it more when my daughter has our Blazer. I plan to keep the Camaro for a long time. Eventually it'll be completely gone over.