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Old 12-29-2008, 08:08 PM
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Is this normal?

First, this color of interior:Interior pic.jpg
I'm just wondering if this is a common color, if I should grab any pieces from it. The dash pad appears to be in good condition, just dirty. I seem to hear lots about our dash pads cracking, but the dash pads on both of my cars, and all the ones I've seen locally seem to all be in excellent condition. Probably because i'm in the PNW, and we don't get much sun...

Anyways, I'm also wondering about my stock RLCA's. They have 2 bolts through them, CA pic.jpg ,seemingly doing nothing. I know all third gen RLCA's have the holes that those bolts are in, but in my '91 RS there was nothing in those holes. I remember in another thread, I was told that there was never a thirdgen made that had a swaybar that bolted to the LCA's, but why else would those bolts be there? And, I'm almost sure that there was a sway bar mounted to the LCA's in a camaro my dad turned into a circle track car, before it was turned into a circle track car. Sorry about the crappy cell phone pics.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:20 PM
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Those bolts hold in small sheet metal fillers in the channel of the LCA to add stiffness.
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Know why those wouldn't be on my '91? Turns out those sheet metal pieces were inside the LCA's on the camaro that was turned into a circle track car, but I assumed they were there to keep the LCA's from collapsing when the sway bar was bolted down to it...
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Swaybars don't bolt to the LCA.

The reinforcement is only listed as a service part from 83-86. It's possible that they stopped using it entirely, or it could have been included in the LCA assembly for cars with higher-optioned suspensions. The base model LCA for 1991 is the same part number as the earlier LCA without the reinforcement.
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I know that Thirdgen swaybars don't bolt to the LCA, the ones on my 85 and on my 91 use endlinks, but maybe there were exceptions... or more likely someone found a swaybar on another car that fit and put it on. I still have the car that was like that, but the rear swaybar was removed many years ago and I don't have that.
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Never noticed them before...

It would make more sence that the bolt would be to add stiffness to the arm. I would think that When the LCA flexes it would more than likely bend outward or Flair, by design of how the flanges are. The bolt would hold it together and stiffen it. Of course I simply welded a piece of .100 steel to the bottom of my LCA's then powdercoated, made a HUGE difference.

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I just did that same thing to my LCA's that I'm going to put in my '85... it's a lot cheaper than aftermarket ones.
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When GM designed the 3rd-gen F-body they borrowed some existing suspension peices from the '78-88 G-body parts bin. I know the front lower control arms are from the G-body and the rears are probably too. The G-bodies used sways bars that attached to the LCAs.
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Yeah, that's what I was told in the other thread, about the LCA's from G-bodys. I was wondering if the sway bars were interchangeable between F and G-bodys. It seems like it would be stronger bolted to the LCA's, but would eliminate the possibility of adjustable endlinks.
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I do not think the torsion bars would be as effective if connected to the LCA's I can't imagine how you would attach them either, if you connected the ends to the LCA and have the rest of the bar on the axel like normal it would seem that it would render them almost inoperative.

I would be interested to see a pic of the early G-body car with the torsion bar like that.

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When a swaybar is bolted to the LCA's, it isn't bolted to the axle. Then when an LCA tries to move further than the other, up or down, the swaybar is forced to twist to allow them to do so. There are two bolts that connect the sway bar to the LCA on each end.

A fox mustang is the same way.
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Re: Is this normal?

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When a swaybar is bolted to the LCA's, it isn't bolted to the axle. Then when an LCA tries to move further than the other, up or down, the swaybar is forced to twist to allow them to do so. There are two bolts that connect the sway bar to the LCA on each end.

A fox mustang is the same way.
And in stock form Fox stangs handle like poop!
Most after market stuff 4 them changes all that.. even the 05 and up went back to a rear swaybar that installs very much like a "gasp" 2nd gen F body!

I thought the front lower control arm is the same from 70-92 on the F cars?
I mean other than a snubber change, bushing size change in the ealy to mid 70s and the spindle stops for 16? tires in the mid 80s.. I thought the G cars used a longer A arm..
S10s use the same A arm also
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Originally Posted by Tony Walch
I thought the front lower control arm is the same from 70-92 on the F cars?
'70-81 2-gen front lower control arms are quite a bit different than 3rd-gen control arms.

Pretty much the whole front suspension on the '82-05 2wd S10 is borrowed from the '78-88 G-body.
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