chazman

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Says, $50K invested. Looks nice, but I totally hate those hillbilly tailpipes and would have preferred stock wheels

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-...item27c49919b3

Linson

you've gotta be kidding me!

that has to be a joke.

subroc

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Tail pipes dont bother me as much as the wheels and the interior. If they are going to go through that much trouble dont skimp on the interior. That does not even look close to factory from those pictures. Looks all velour plush-like. Im assuming it had a carmine red custom cloth interior from the factory judging by the seat pattern the upholster tried to copy. Person should have done some research and found you could still get factory seat material if you look hard enough.

Aside from that....i think its a pretty nice car.

82tarecaro

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Beautiful car. I doubt he will get that kind of money for it.

InfernalVortex

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Is the interior really that bad? I dont see the problem with it?

I really hate the wheels. Chrome IROCs are bad enough in 17+ inch versions, but that's excusable since nonchrome/aluminum IROCs just arent available above stock size. But in 16 inch versions where there's nice looking factory aluminum wheels available, I dont see what the point is of putting those gaudy chrome wheels on it. Some people just love tacky chrome garbage all over their cars I guess.

cerberus

I think a guy with no knowledge or skill could easily pay 50K to have everybody else do work on a car. SADLY

Seats are fugly ODO being changed...whats with that

Wheels blow

chazman

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Those seats do look pretty velour-y. Anyway, not everything is correct on this car, but it's nice to see people actually doing a nut and bolt rotisserie on a 3rd gen.

navy02ws6

Yep. Those chrome 16's are so ugly that they look like chrome 15's. Nice of them to tamper with the odometer for the next owner...that's not going to look so great if the car has had any Carfax records in the last 5 years or so.

I think if I spent $50k on a 3rd gen, I'd have replaced the yellowed brake fluid reservoir...

On the plus side, it's nice to see that someone finally did a nut and bolt restoration on a 3rd gen. If this guy really wants to sell this car, he's realistically looking at more like $10k...I'd still take an original, low-mileage car before this one though.

TTOP350

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Its a very nice "restification" but its not a restoration. There is sooo many little things wrong with it, mostly finishes of nuts/bolts/clips/braces and the complete painting of the frontend under the fenders. The master cyl and reservoir(yellowed and no code sticker) sticks out like a sore thumb to me.
Its a very very nice "restified" car but not 50k nice.

Motown

I agree completely. I also say to myself everything you just said about 1st gen "restorations" I see on ebay. I havent the slightest clue about 1st gens, but I can still pick out obvious things in them that I know are not factory. People confuse restoration with restification. For example I see the ad titled "complete factory restoration", then I see a huge edelbrock air cleaner.

This car isnt terrible, but not perfect. Right off the bat:

-Wrong/ugly wheels
-Old engine bay parts
-eBay chinese rice parking lights
-old tail light lenses
-newer fog light surround
-80s Cadillac bench seat velour leftovers.

However it is nice to see the IROC-Z door stickers in their correct locations for once.

puma1552

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Nice to see the undercarriage painted, just like Mother Mopar used to do. That's really the only way to go when restoring a car, IMO.

82tarecaro

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Then it is not restored to original.

puma1552

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So what? Neither is slathering it with POR 15.

82tarecaro

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I figured you would be the purist.

puma1552

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Why? That's about the nicest thing you can do to bottom of the car, which I'm all for.

How else can you rotisserie a car?

chazman

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I would have appreciated it more, if the bottom was painted the factory gray with body colored overspray.

82tarecaro

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Right - there are paints available that replicate the e-coat. It would have looked like more attention was paid to the details. They should have sprayed undercoat where it was applied from the factory also.

82tarecaro

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That interior definitely looks like something from Pimp my ride.

puma1552

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But do we even know what the underbody finish was from the factory? All I've seen is that there's debate as to whether it's actually paint or more like a sealer, probably leaning towards the latter but IIRC nobody really knows what it is.

chazman

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Yeah, it looks like the shop that did the work, did a pretty nice job and all, but they certainly aren't 3rd gen purists. Nor do I think that they were shooting for a 1000 point concours resto. You really need alot of reference and documentation to do something like that - and most importantly, the will to do it.

But....like I said, it's nice to see people going to this level of effort on a 3rd gen "restoration".

chazman

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Hold on, I'll be right back..............

KBcobra

Anyone notice the car has 2 miles on it lol?

chazman

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Just took these. Whether this is paint or sealer, this is what a factory underbody is colored. Kind of a low gloss gray.

puma1552

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Sure, but wouldn't we want the paint code for it? It could just be uncleared paint, but something tells me it's not. I remember a debate about it a while back but I don't think we were able to decipher exactly what the factory used, or how best to replicate it.

Sure you could take some gray paint and try and get it close and it would look quite good, but still it wouldn't really be correct. I am a huge fan of painting the entire undercarriage personally.

TTOP350

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The gray is from the dip tank that all these cars bodies went thru before they got painted.
The fenders, frt/rear impact bumpers, doors, hood and front core support were all bolted to the car before paint. The mirrors, hatch and (firebird) headlight lids I'm still not sure of. the bumper covers wings and ground FX were painted off site.
I'm fairly sure that all the cars got under coating in all 4 wheel wells and on the bottom of the spare tire well from the factory. floorpans, tq arm(yeah), driveshaft(yup seen that also) were dealer items..

82tarecaro

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What kind of undercoat did they use? It seems to be more like a truck bed coating because it is not flexible and gooey like the dealer applied stuff.

eseibel67

If it's on a rotisserie, it wouldn't be that difficult to at least make an attempt to make it look original underneath. Paint it that dull grey. And then don't mask it off when it gets the real colour.

And on this particular car, it's difficult to tell just from the pictures, but it looks to me like the underbody had some rust in the usual areas before it was painted. The rear unibody "subframe" doesn't look nearly as smooth as it would on a known, perfect, babied, unrestored car.

TTOP350

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I just looked at the Ebay add for the car. I don't know about you guys n gals but I'd like a cotter pin in my lower A armball joint.
The car is very nicely done but not correct for a restoration.

chazman

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It looks like my black IROC had some panels which started out blue. While touching up tiny stone chips on the passenger fender, ground effects and rear spoiler (which I actually had to have repainted 20-ish years ago), there is IROC blue under there.......

chazman

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Sure. I think that they just didn't have a reference point. As more and more 3rd gens start going through this kind of process, it's maybe up to folks like us, to point out incorrect flaws. That's how it starts.

TTOP350

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Funny you say that, because on the 1st repaint on my black 89 formula I found that the scoop in the hood was completly red under the factory black paint ! That was the only part like that.

cerberus

Where were they built? My original owner said Van Nuys line was notorious for letting ill fitting parts stay on cars while other lines were told to swap parts until they fit/

TTOP350

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Well its a 89 so I guess it was built on the left coast because of the paint falling off in sheets and it has a body color cowl panel. When did they stop norwood cars? 87ish??

82tarecaro

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Supposedly the TTAs were done in batches because they were getting other paint colors under the hood when they were on the line as they went through the paint process. Maybe that's why you have different colors on your cars?

Edit - I reread the posts and that sure wouldn't explain having a whole panel the wrong color. It would only account for overspray.