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Old 01-18-2010, 01:04 AM   #1
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4th Generation Seats!

I have been in the market for 4th generation camaro seats for some time now. I have a silver 85 z28 and my seats are pretty much torn to shreds. Well I just found a set that are black and grey cloth the hole set in near perfect condition for 150 dollars.

Now the drivers seat is power, I am just curious to whether the I can just remove the 4th gen seat off the track and place it on my 3rd gen seat track in order to have manual movement of seats.

I also have heard many times that these 4th gen seats bolt right up in a 3rd generation car, but for the sake of hearing it again. Is this true?

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Old 01-18-2010, 03:27 AM   #2
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i believe very strongly it is true!!!!

also it will not work with the tracks like that i believe, but all you need to do it run a power wire and a ground, a body ground would probably even work, and walah you have power seat
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I also have heard many times that these 4th gen seats bolt right up in a 3rd generation car, but for the sake of hearing it again. Is this true?

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I had a full set of leather seats from an '02 SS in my '89 IROC and yes they bolt right up literally. You should have no trouble with that at all.
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Even the back Seats bolt right in?
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Even the back Seats bolt right in?
Yes. The rear seats are virtually identical to the third gen seats. The only difference is that fourth gen back seats only have a solid rear seat back while third gens have an option for split rear seats.
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:38 PM   #6
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

i put in a set of 4th gen .. best upgrade so far IMO,, totally worth the money.. i just hooked up a cigarette lighter attachment to the seat ,.. (how often do you move the seat right?) and when i do need to ajust the seat i just pull the wire out from under the seat and plug it in .. i may take the time to run a wire under the carpet , but so far this is working just fine.. and yes they all bolt right up as if they were made to ..
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i put in a set of 4th gen .. best upgrade so far IMO,, totally worth the money.. i just hooked up a cigarette lighter attachment to the seat ,.. (how often do you move the seat right?) and when i do need to ajust the seat i just pull the wire out from under the seat and plug it in .. i may take the time to run a wire under the carpet , but so far this is working just fine.. and yes they all bolt right up as if they were made to ..
Damn that's ghetto. I'd just run the wire properly once and be done with it.
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yep - fronts and rears are direct bolt in. keep the power track attached and run a fused power wire and a ground to it and use the power!
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:23 AM   #9
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yep - fronts and rears are direct bolt in. keep the power track attached and run a fused power wire and a ground to it and use the power!
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Yes. The rear seats are virtually identical to the third gen seats. The only difference is that fourth gen back seats only have a solid rear seat back while third gens have an option for split rear seats.
correct..There is not much difference in 4th gen seats.
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Yes. The rear seats are virtually identical to the third gen seats. The only difference is that fourth gen back seats only have a solid rear seat back while third gens have an option for split rear seats.
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

Also it is worth mentioning that the 4th generation leather seats that came in the Trans Am are virtually identical to the 3rd generation "Ultima" seat that came in the GTA. The only difference is the Ultimas have the "ET head" shaped head rests while the fourth generation seats use a different design. When you get fourth generation power seats, simply get them with the wiring and you can easily wire them up like they would have been at the factory.
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Damn that's ghetto. I'd just run the wire properly once and be done with it.
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ya i normanlly would but i didnt get the chance when i out them in .. but then found i have yet to move them from the position i have them in the last 2 years as im the only driver so i have just left it that way with the wire tucked up under the seat ..someday i will take the time to run it right..
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

I put a set of 97 cloth seats in a 92, it's a bolt in affair. For power I ran a wire from the back of the fuse box, hooked into the power window fuse, ran a wire down to the seat for power and the grounded the seat to one of the floor bolts. Power seat works great.
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

Would the drivers side fourth gen seat fit onto power third gen track? (person selling just the seats without tracks for $150 and the seats are in great shape and this is the one thing I need to know before i pull the trigger.)

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Old 12-13-2010, 11:34 PM   #16
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

I too am curious about whether a 4th gen manual seat will bolt-up to 3rd. gen power seat track?
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:46 AM   #17
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Re: 4th Generation Seats!

i am no electronics person and for a power wire would that say go to the battery? my ciggarette lighter does not work so i am curious and ground wire to say the body?
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Would the drivers side fourth gen seat fit onto power third gen track? (person selling just the seats without tracks for $150 and the seats are in great shape and this is the one thing I need to know before i pull the trigger.)

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I too am curious about whether a 4th gen manual seat will bolt-up to 3rd. gen power seat track?
3rd & 4th gen seats/seat tracks are interchangeable.I have my original power seat track on 97 T/A articulated seats (lumbar).I even swapped the 4th gen dr. seat track w/the pivot feature over to my pass side (w/a little work).

Also w/regard to the 3rd & 4th gen power lumbar seats.From a cosmetic stand point, other than the headrest.They are indentical, but the lumbar features are better on the early versions.On the side lumbar 3rd gens use a metal flap that moves in/outboard when the bladder is in/deflated.The seatback has a steel sheet that supports the bladder for the lower back.

4th gen seats just have the bladder in the seat foams lumbar support.This just inflates when the lumbar is applied.It doesnt phisically move in & out.Like the 3rd gen.The difference is very noticeable side by side.On the lower back, 4th gens have a burlap net stretched across the setback frame.When the bladder is inflated it pushes out & backward away from your lower back.Since the burlap material is nowhere near as rigid as the steel sheet on the 3rd gens.Again the difference is noticeable side by side.

I swapped the seat back frames when i switch from 3rd gen to 4th gen articulated seats.Best of both worlds, as i had to swap/cut/reweld the headrest supports.I also needed to relocate the pwr seat track switch to the inboard side of the seat.A ford taurus switch was used because the stock 84 type was too thick & wedged up against the center console.
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84 1LE, thanks for the info, much appreciated.
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