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ok so i have been wanting to do an lt1 swap on my camaro.... currently i can get an lt1 out of a caprice cop car for 300 bucks....
i really dont want a show car or anything like that i just want it to have some power to back up the way the car looks...
that being said i am on a budget of 2000...
somethings i am unsure about are these(and yes i used the search option)
1.will the oil pan from the caprice have any clearance issues on the stock engine cradle?
2.will the automatic ecu from the caprice work with the t-56?
3.will the t-56 bolt up to the lt1 from the caprice? and yes i know i need a t56 from a 93-97
4.will replacement v8 mounts make the lt1 fit in without any modifications?(i dont want A/C)
5. about the fuel lines and Power steering lines are there adapters for them or what?
6. will my t5 clutch master work for the t56... will the lines to the clutch slave even be the same?
7. will the stock drive shaft work?
and i plan on rebuilding the engine, resurface the heads..etc... will the 2,000 be enough to do all this?
any help with any of you guys that have done the swap already would be greatly appreciated...
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1. Shouldn't have issues.
2. Yes, it will need to be reprogrammed though. And you may need to modify your engine harness.
3. Yes. Need T56 swap parts.
4. Get polyurethane mounts for a 82-92 V8 camaro/firebird and install them in your old 82-92 mounts.
5.Contact thirdgen.org member Z 2 8 R I C E R (type the name with no spaces though). He sells both fuel lines and ps lines. Might cost a little bit but its the way to go.
6. ?????? I don't know
7. Yes.
1. Shouldn't have issues.
2. Yes, it will need to be reprogrammed though. And you may need to modify your engine harness.
3. Yes. Need T56 swap parts.
4. Get polyurethane mounts for a 82-92 V8 camaro/firebird and install them in your old 82-92 mounts.
5.Contact thirdgen.org member Z 2 8 R I C E R (type the name with no spaces though). He sells both fuel lines and ps lines. Might cost a little bit but its the way to go.
6. ?????? I don't know
7. Yes.
thanks for the info... about the automatic ecu i have heard that some people leave it alone without any issues?
and did you get the fuel lines and power steering lines from z28ricer?
for number 6. you need t56 parts. i don't beleive a t5's clutch will bolt up like that. for number 4. your mounts should work fine. but like firebat said, get better polyeurethane ones. for number 1. I don't know exactly but I'm not exactly sure it will fit. as for price to rebuild the engine. it all depends on what you want. If you want AFR heads, and a .30 overbore, and a stroker crank, etc. etc. no, 2000 will not be enough. if you want to keep it pretty much stock, then for about 600 you can go on summitracing.com and get a rebuild kit that's pretty simple and has forged pistons and all the goodies. if I were you though I would try to stay pretty much stock on that since budget is a little tight. re-use the heads if they aren't warped too badly, try and get a machine shop that you know is reputable but inexpensive prices. a valve and head job is really important. make sure the block is gone through really really well. and all the little sensors and conectors tend to break on a little car, and that's what can kill budget. I'm not saying it can't be done but at 2000 be very very careful when taking things off. little plastic sensors and conectors can break really really easily because of how brittle they are from being old
for number 6. you need t56 parts. i don't beleive a t5's clutch will bolt up like that. for number 4. your mounts should work fine. but like firebat said, get better polyeurethane ones. for number 1. I don't know exactly but I'm not exactly sure it will fit. as for price to rebuild the engine. it all depends on what you want. If you want AFR heads, and a .30 overbore, and a stroker crank, etc. etc. no, 2000 will not be enough. if you want to keep it pretty much stock, then for about 600 you can go on summitracing.com and get a rebuild kit that's pretty simple and has forged pistons and all the goodies. if I were you though I would try to stay pretty much stock on that since budget is a little tight. re-use the heads if they aren't warped too badly, try and get a machine shop that you know is reputable but inexpensive prices. a valve and head job is really important. make sure the block is gone through really really well. and all the little sensors and conectors tend to break on a little car, and that's what can kill budget. I'm not saying it can't be done but at 2000 be very very careful when taking things off. little plastic sensors and conectors can break really really easily because of how brittle they are from being old
yea for #6 i know all tranny components have to be t56 but what im saying is if i can use my stock clutch master cylinder and if the hydraulic lines to the clutch slave cylinder will bolt on....and another thing i am worried about is wehter the ecu from the caprice which was aoutomatic work fine once i have the t56 on...
yea i have seen the rebuild kits on summit for 600...... yea i want to do exactly what you are saying i dont want anything to crazy maybe bore .30 over since some of those kits from summit come with .30 over bore with forged pistons......and yes i also wanted to get the heads resurfaced maybe even ported.........
anyone else ..... i need some help..
i might be pulling the lt1 out next week.... i know i need to get the complete harness ..ecu.. what else should i get from the car? is there any precautions i should take when pulling the engine out.. like not damaging the harness or anything like that
anyone else ..... i need some help..
i might be pulling the lt1 out next week.... i know i need to get the complete harness ..ecu.. what else should i get from the car?
ok thanks for the heads up.....
so what do u think will happen when i use the t56 and i still have the automatic ecu from the caprice..? will i need to get a manual ecu from a camaro as the same year as the caprice... will the original harness from the caprice work on the camaro manual ecu..... i would rather not have to buy another ecu...
ok thanks for the heads up.....
so what do u think will happen when i use the t56 and i still have the automatic ecu from the caprice..? will i need to get a manual ecu from a camaro as the same year as the caprice... will the original harness from the caprice work on the camaro manual ecu..... i would rather not have to buy another ecu...
sorry, didn't get on for a day or two. I've heard of people using an auto ecu with a 5 speed. but I beleive to be completely correct you must get the standard chip from a standard ecu. not sure if it's such a big thing because a friend of mine had his for a while just like that and the only problem was the engine check light was on.
sorry, didn't get on for a day or two. I've heard of people using an auto ecu with a 5 speed. but I beleive to be completely correct you must get the standard chip from a standard ecu. not sure if it's such a big thing because a friend of mine had his for a while just like that and the only problem was the engine check light was on.
yea i have heard that as well some people do auto to manual swap and they have no problems...?
but from what i understand this particular computer is called pcm .... wich i guess means it control's the whole powertrain... engine and trans....
and what i am thinking is it uses the transmission of somewhat of a load sensor and it needs to know what gear it is in for the proper air fuel ratio for that particular gear.. correct me if im wrong but thats what i think.......
if anyone has a definite answer please help...
or else i guess i will be getting a pcm from a manual car unless their is a way to fool the computer without reprogramming ....
yea i have heard that as well some people do auto to manual swap and they have no problems...?
but from what i understand this particular computer is called pcm .... wich i guess means it control's the whole powertrain... engine and trans....
and what i am thinking is it uses the transmission of somewhat of a load sensor and it needs to know what gear it is in for the proper air fuel ratio for that particular gear.. correct me if im wrong but thats what i think.......
if anyone has a definite answer please help...
or else i guess i will be getting a pcm from a manual car unless their is a way to fool the computer without reprogramming ....
well there is a fast idle thingy for higher gears and reverse, but as long as you're on the throtle properly you shouldn't have to worry about this. if you really don't want any problems then yeah, go out, break the bank, and buy the manual ecu and pcm
I'ld PLUG it 
