KWIK84

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Went to the track this weekend and didn't run great #'s but they are still headed in the right direction!!

60-1.893
330-5.594
1/8-8.753@77.43
1000-11.530
1/4-13.897@94.98

BTW weighed the car at the track with me in it I was scaling at 2980!!!!
I believe the scales to be close to accurate as they were weighing stock and super stock cars all weekend.

I know that there is probably still at least another .8 in this thing if I can get back to teh track before the end of the year.

mw66nova

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VERY nice! finally in the 13's woot!

what you got going on for carburation and ignition?

1MeanZ

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That thing is pretty light! My 86 weighs 3430 without me in it. with a decent 1.8 60ft and a 94mph trap speed how much quicker do you think it is going to go? with your short time and trap speed, dropping another .8 is a pretty tall order unless more mods are in store. Congrats on hittin the 13s though. what are your engine mods?

KWIK84

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Carb is a 650 dp, Ignition is HEI.

As far as mods, not sure yet, that run was straight off of the trailer without much of a tune, only got one pass in all weekend as it rained like crazy! I'm hoping with a good tune I can pull another .2 or so, Also I was a little soft on the 60 as I wasn't pushing up on the convertor real hard.

Engine mods:
.030 overbore with KB pistons that are somewhere between 10-11:1 comp
Erson cam .472", 228@.050. Hedman LT's, stock 416's, Weiand 7546 xcelerator intake. roller rockers 1.5 ratio.

Future mods will be 416's with a 1.94 valve and a little more cam, Also wil be taking out the 400 and going to a 350. I may step up to a 4.56 gear as well.

I think that the car should be mphing better, but the 2-3 shift with the 400 really seems to kill my speed.

mw66nova

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hmmm...i bet you an exhaust system would help some...atleast some hedman x-tensions and a bullet muffler of sorts...something to help with scavaging. i don't think you have enough cam/heads to benefit from straight open headers.

cause honestly, with your 3500 stall speed and 3.73's with that light of a car...it ought to be running a bit better to the 60'...but with some better thought out exhaust, i bet you you'd gain some serious torque.

the car should run quicker with the mods you have. there MAY be too much cam for the heads you have, but i kinda doubt it...cause my car went 12.5 @ 3170lbs. i'd try to work out the combo you have first before throwing more parts at her though.

don't know if you heard, but i hurt my 305 again. looks like i got the coolant issues fixed with some bars leak, but i managed to hurt the solid cam i was running and now have a comp magnum 280h in her...it runs decently and would probably be in the upper 12's...but honestly, until i get a motor together that's 100%, my racing season is over. don't know that i'll be doing another 305 either...just too costly for the return.

1MeanZ

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Sounds like you ran a good time for the combo you have. I would suggest you focus you refforts on porting the 416s as opposed to installing the larger valves. I could be wrong but I think 1.84 valves are probably enough for a 305, mw66nova may or may not confirm this. I think I read on here where Tim Burgess and some other guys with mean 305s said they felt the stock valve size is ok for the stock bore of a 305.

Is anyone with a 305 trapping above above 100mph NA (besides you matt)???

mw66nova

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honestly...the 1.84 valve is PLENTY. yes, you can go to a larger valve, but i would focus more on the backside of that valve and do some shaping in the bowls. the stock eliminator guys are running the same 1.84 size valve in their heads and are only limited to back-cutting...no port work allowed either. those guys spin them to 8200rpms and run in the 10.9-11.7 range depending on class designation.

i believe there are quite a few above 100mph...pablo was in the 103mph range...tim burgess went 12.9x's n/a at like 105 or so...and he's running a t56! and of course i've been nearly 107, lol!

lilbowilson

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Sorry to hear that you hurt your cam how do you think you did it?
I'm running that same mag 280H cam so tell me how does it ride with that 4000 stall and 3.73 gears? If you go to the track anytime soon please post your times I want to see if you can get that setup into the 12s!


KWIK84
Why don't you get aftermarket heads?
I've seen 416's make 400hp on a 327 but they were hogged out the engine did have a hyd roller cam, air gap and 750 carb.

Seeing as how this is a track car I would go with that old school LT-1 cam and upgrade those springs after hogging out the heads that should wake up that engine!

OH BTW mw66nova
Those rims look good!

1MeanZ

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Wow I am unfamiliar with Pablo, never heard of him. I had not seen any NA numbers from Mr. Burgess either. It seems there are precious few trapping over 100mph. I am trying to decide what my next step should be (besides learning to launch my 5speed) I am going to try a search for both of those guys to see what they are doing to run like that. Even if I never get my launch good enough to run bottom 13s with my 3.23s and 'stick, I would at least like to trap up with you guys. Maybe the key is right under my nose, more compression, roller cam, big intake parts. I'll snoop around and see what I am lacking. I dont know why I get so excited about making 305s reasonably quick. I guess just because it is something different...

lilbowilson, he is talking about taking out the TH400 trans and going with a TH350. He will be running a 305 engine.

lilbowilson

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I can't tell you how many arguments I got into with people on this board about building 305's. All I hear from them is that its stupid a 350 is cheaper and better, I know this but I still like to see what a 305 can really do when built right!

KWIK84

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The reason that I would switch to a 1.94 valve is because I have a pair that are ported setting in the garage, Just need a fresh valve job.
What does everyone think the mph and et gain would be going to a th350?

Matt, header extensions are coming, soon, I hope. I didn't know that you had engine probs again. I was looking pretty heavy at the 280 cam, but, I think that I am going to go with a n2o grind, either that, or I will put something in that will be in the low 500's and 240ish.

Also from the more looking that I do it is starting to look like the car is going soft after the 1/8th, or am i wrong?

Don't worry the 305 will live for at least another year, till I can afford to finish the 350 the way that I want to. That is why I am not going to aftermarket heads on the 305, saving the money to go with set of either Victor Jr.'s or AFR heads.

I think that my 60's were a little soft as well, I was about 400 rpm below where I was wanting to stage the car at. (Definetely time to get a 2step!)

1991CamaroRslow

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I wish my 350 would cut 60 foot times like that, that's a really good time for a 305.

mw66nova

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building the 305 to be fast definitely has it's cool factor. i love it when i pull up somewhere and hop out of the car and i get asked "383?"..."nope...305!" "305?!?"..."hehe...yeah, 305!" but i gotta be honest guys. i want to go fast and have the ability to daily drive it too. the 360 was EXACTLY what i wanted. had the potential to run 11.8x's...took out an s-trimmed 96/97 cobra on the highway one night and had super awesome street manners. trapped 110-111mph all day long and was deadly reliable, until i ran into cool getting into the oil, which i initially chaulked up to a bad sleeve in the block (it has two) but now i'm having the SAME exact problem...coolant in the oil. and i know the 305 block is good, so i'm suspecting the cylinder heads, which i've honestly had nothing but bad luck with since the get go. (ie stripped thread bosses, etc.) i've got a set of vortec heads and i'll be calling crane to see if they'll replace the solid cam i was running. then i'll just piece the 360 back together as long as the block mag's out fine...then i'll have mid 11 second potential in a ride that is super streetable and reliable.

to be honest kwik, the 280h cam is something that i would never have considered, but the price was right so i was happy to get it. as far as drivability with my 4000 stall converter...it's just like any other camshaft. actually, i believe that this combo is more drivable than the solid cam. as far as getting it into the 12's...well, with slightly (really slightly) modified 416's, less compression, and less cam, i went 13.03@103mph, so i'd imagine that with the worked 113's, the 280h and 10.2:1 c/r, it better run in the 12.8 range or i'll be unhappy...but again, i'm afraid to beat on it right now...it's gotta last me a while.

mw66nova

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kwik, where is your timing set at? also, what jets/powervalves are you running?

KWIK84

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Timing is set at 34 total, all in by 3K, Jets are 68/72, with a 6.5 PV. I am going to try to make it to at least one more test and tune befor the end of the years, so I can try to put a good tune-up in this thing.

Matt, sounds like it is time to get the heads sonic'd. Good luck!!!

mw66nova

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i would think that the cam would want more timing....

KWIK84

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Yeah, I was going to bump 2* @ a time, before the #$&% rain came!! I'm thinking some where in the 38* range.

mw66nova

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that's what i was thinking too...anything more and it'll lack in the upper rpm range...

just fyi...this little 305 is holding together so far...still having wierd coolant issues, though nothing too alarming. the racing season is definitely over though.

sprojam

i was talkin to a gut today and he was inquiring about a 334 or stroke 305 bein a 305 guy what your thoughts alot of smashing of the idea but the trueth is ive even kicked the idea being a 350 guy i heard these motors have awsome rev caracter spinning up quickly an i have a 305 sittin in the corner being i just put my new 355 in

mw66nova

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everyone i've talked with that have done the 334 say you'd be money ahead building a 383. they make good torque but don't have the ability to breath up top...

TBI92Camaro

WOW!!!!

First off, I havent been posting much over here since Im a "mustang guy"

But MY GOD....MW66, your car looks GREAT with the Rodlites!!!!

I have to say one thing about F-body guys is every dman car isnt running Draglites!!! I am SICK and TIRED of draglites!!!

BTW, congrats to all you 305 folks. you got alot of persistance. I find it easier to just drop 350's, 383's and 406's in the engine bay for more speed

mw66nova

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thanks! glad you like it as much as i do! did you see this pics on my cardomain of the car with the 91-92 wheels?

KWIK84

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BTW, congrats to all you 305 folks. you got alot of persistance. I find it easier to just drop 350's, 383's and 406's in the engine bay for more speed [/QUOTE]

Yeah, but its fun to see the looks on peoples faces when you tell them that your running a 305.

Matt sorry to here that the season is over for you. With any luck and a good weekend of T&T I can hopefully get a little closer to the number that your running. I still have a few tricks left to try and make the little motor run!! I would like to be able to get my 60's down into the low 1.8's or high 1.7's.

Would like to try and free up some HP to get the thing to trap @ 100 of better. I know that I've got my work cut out for me in that dept. right now until I do some head and cam work though.

Matt, I can't remember how much did you say the car picked up when you went to an elect. drive water pump?

mw66nova

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i dropped .2 when i took the power steering completely off the car, i only dropped .02 when i took the alt./water pump belt off though...not worth it in my case. though my dad slowed down nearly .3 when we put the waterpump pulleys back on, but his where heavy steel pulleys with stock ratio and mine are super lightweight aluminum underdrive pulleys.

KWIK84

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That gives me a little bit of an idea then, cause I'm still running stock steel pulleys. Hopefully it will be good for .15, if I'm lucky!

TBI92Camaro

They look OK but I liek the 86-87 IROC's on it better.

Personally the Rodlites look fantastic! Have you ever seen a ThirdGen with TelStars? Simply AMAZING!!!!

BTw, I totaled my Mustang so Im starting form scratch again...and yes its another Mustang....just a 4 banger though

mw66nova

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i have seen them with telstars and i heavily considered them, but they are WAY heavier than my rodlites. when we gonna get you back into a thirdgen boy? lol!

kwik, honestly, i'd save your money and buy some aluminum under drives and an aluminum waterpump and call it a day.

TBI92Camaro

LOL, im actually pickingo ne up tommorrow. 89 RS, 305, T5, t-tops. Gettin it kinda cheap but its a "daily driver" of sorts. ownt see butl iek 1-2 track appaearances. just putting wheels, springs, 350 (sticking with TBI), and a kit on it. Something ufn to drive around while my Mustang is down.

When the Mustang comes back up next spring.....god help anything that gets in its way. No joking, sinceI m going carb....with a single kit i think i should have enough to get a 10 second pass out of it..hopefully!