gibsongod716

ok well listen to this message I sent to ssac, disregard the ps part, thats for me...


james wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I really respect that you guys are the only company that is willing to
> make turbo kits, and it'd be a real help if I bought one from you guys
> instead of making one myself. However, I hear alot of negative talk
> about the craftsmanship of your products. If I was to purchase the
> SBC Twin Turbo Kit, how can I be assured the product will be as
> described and hopefully will not break. Alot of reviewers say they
> recieved the wrong parts or the manifolds break within 3 days. I hope
> this will not be the case if I was to purchase one, but I just want to
> know if I will be able to rely on it.
>
> Thanks alot and look forward to hearing from you,
>
> Jim T.
>
> P.S. I would also like to make a donation towards the animal rescue
> place, do I do that once I place the order? Thanks!


RESPONSE


Hi - For turbo kits we offer a 30 day Guarantee...if you have issues
with fitment we will take the entire kit back for a full refund within
30 days of receipt of item. We also offer a Warranty on specific items
in the kit, mainly manifold, turbo, intercooler that last one year
against manufacturers defects....the rest of the item contain a 90 day
warranty of the same validation.

How old are the threads you are reading about broken manifolds?? Because
we have redesigned and since have had no reported issues of manifolds
breaking in 3 days....just curious.

As for the animal rescue donation...you need not do anything...we donate
on a monthly basis 1% of our sales - however they would welcome
additional donations I am sure so if your interested...please see their
website .... http://www.snowflakerescue.org/

Thank you

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okay well I'm really considering getting this kit, and it does seem that they have cleaned up their act, what do you guys think? Oh yeah, if I do end up getting it, ill be running it into an edelbrock thunder series 650cfm carb. Would I have to make it a "blow thru"(Have no idea how to) or could I just leave it the way it is...

Thanks alot

Jim

ttypecamaro

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It probably won't clear a firebird hood. forget A/C too.

Phatfiddler

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What manafacturer is this to? I see no link or picture.

SpitotRs305

SSauto chrome...

i don't know if you would believe them as ebay had givin them the boot a few months ago for "bad" business practices

gibsongod716

ive got a 1-1/2 maybe 2 inch hood scoop
No A/C
Gutted alot of the electrical wiring and cleared alot of space too...
i know ive got the room, its just the quality of ssac service

my big concern is the carb part, i wonder if i could just run the kit into the carb the way it is? I really dont know...

thanks for the input

WheelsUp84z

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to answer your question, any kit will work with carb or EFI, for hotside at least, as they use the same parts.

Now to the original topic. They are NOT the only place that makes turbo kits. They are the only place that makes them cheap. BBS designs WAS making turbo kits and doing well, until SSAC came around. They literally COPIED their design, and used very THIN tubing not suited for the high heat associated with turbocharging. They made it out of stainless so people thought they were getting a deal on some show quality stuff. Yeah, it looks nice, but if you ever had the kit you will see how thin everything is and the welds are very weak, especially on the older kits. Their warranty is BS because they will most likely blame you for either ordering the wrong part or installing it improperly. Not to mention they wont list their phone number, address or anything to contact them directly other than their email, which most of the time they dont respond. Like stated before they got kicked off ebay, but if you could check they feedback, you'll see how poor it really is. Of course they arent going to talk bad about their stuff. They didnt redesign anything, its still the same shitty 18g tubing they used since day one. I've owned one of their kits so i can tell you first hand how crappy they are constructed. So before you go around saying no one else is willing to make kits, maybe you should research a little more.

ttypecamaro

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and check out my complete twin turbo kit in the classifieds .

Street Lethal

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Jim, is the carburetor a must, or would you consider fuel injection for your application? BTW, Woodbridge, NJ ehh?

gibsongod716

1. I deffinately did research for turbo kits, ive spent the last 4 months researching them, and nobody makes them for 3rd gens. I understand BBS used to make them but now they dont, they made headers for a short time but that stopped. SSAC is the only other place short of a full turbo kit, i suppose one could be made from various parts but thats too much for me. Also I know of sts rear mount turbo kit but that seems like a pain in the *** and a bad idea and wayyyy too much $$$$$!

2. The carb is a must, i know i know. I dont have the money for a fuel injection conversion, i just bought the carb and intake and all that other crap, thats why i was hoping it could be done.

and yeah woodbridge.. i bring my car to raceway park all the time... last run was a 12.4782 at 124, pretty good but i want better

thanks again

WheelsUp84z

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so you researched turbos systems for 4 months and you dont know what a blowthrough carb is or consists of.....hmm

gibsongod716

can you help me or are you just going to be a ****, i know how a turbo system works, i dont know about the carb jesus i know that blow thru pushes the air into the engine, and that draw thru pulls it in, i dont know what the major work on both carbs is tho , im asking a question, can the carb be used the way it is???? or will it require mods....

ttypecamaro

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I don't think an edlebrock carb can be modified for blowthrough, the only ones that I know of are the holley double pumpers. I know Carb Solutions Unlimited (CSU) was a good place to get info on a blowthrough setup back when I was doing the research. It ended up being cheaper, better, and more reliable to go fuel injection for me.

gibsongod716

oh boy thanks for the info, 800 bucks for a holley blow thru wow... yeah i kinda figured that an edelbrock couldnt be rigged, i was just hoping it would work the way it was, i didnt know that it couldnt... maybe f.i. will be my next step in the future, or an ls7

ttypecamaro

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you can also look into the carb enclosures like vortech uses on their carb supercharger kits. buying an enclosure from vortech is expensive, but maybe you could make one or have one made. Those enclosures are a little more complicated than they look though, with the throttle cables and fuel lines while not having any leaks under pressure.

SpitotRs305

here is how to modify the holley DP carbs for blowthrough you dont need to pay $800 just buy one of thier classic DPs i like the 700... and modify it

http://www.hangar18fabrication.com/blowthru.html

sp63

Im going turbo with a CSU carb.

have heard NOTHING but great things about them.

gibsongod716

oh man thats exactly what i was looking for, thanks alot man.

so much for my carb tho, do you think a 650 cfm edelbrock thunder series carb will work on my old mans nova? Its got a 350 or 383 in it and some other crap, i happened to notice tho he was using a standard rochester carb, maybe he could use it...

well i guess im gonna have to start saving for a new carb, thanks alot for the help

BDR

sp63:

I'm running a 850HP blow-thru bought from CSU. If you want it done right, just buy it from CSU.

ThraxXx

ok I gotta bite. Is the blowthrough carb intended to get around the vacume issue caused by turbo lag?

I know for a fact when I show this post to my buddy with the LG4 that he is gonna get turbo horny.

ttypecamaro

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its designed to allow the proper amount of fuel to enter the engine under boost conditions.

gibsongod716

Okay so i found this in my dads garage

check out the pics and tell me what you think? maybe a holley double pumper? i dont know, im not really teched about holley carbs and stuff

sp63

looks like a vac secondary.

gibsongod716

does that mean it wont work as a blow thru? Can it be rigged?

jonmark1985

not very well, as they use differential pressure to open the secondaries.

gibsongod716

just out of curiosity, if i ran the turbo kit, and installed a turbo bonnet on top of my carb i have now, what would happen? Would it flood out because of too much air?

ttypecamaro

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when the boost starts it would reduce the amount of fuel entering the engine, causing a lean condition, causing melted motor parts.

BDR

turbo lag? whats that? I guess mine is non existant..

junkcltr

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It is what happens with 4 cylinder engines trying to make V8 power. You have two MP T-70s on your setup right? How do you like them so far in terms of spool time and peak HP?

junkcltr

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You probably could rig it and use a nitrous fuel jet to supply the extra fuel. It might be more than you want to deal with though.

gibsongod716

Ok, so i really dont know what to do. My old man says he knows how to run a turbo setup on my carb. Dont ask me how, he said adjusting the fuel jets and some other stuff. I dont know what to do. Should I trust him, he's got 35+ years experience working with carbs and engines and stuff... Not to mention he fixes straight jobs, tractor trailers, and trucks at his work, the ones with the turbos the size of a cadillac...

Basically what he said is because their is no computer governing the car anymore, the carb adjusts the amount of fuel and air going into the engine mechanically, and that the carb(when tuned right) would be able to respond to the heavy boost it will be undergoing.

I dont know what to do, what do you guys think...

Oh btw, turbo lag is the time difference between when the person presses on the accelerator, to when the exhaust flow gains enough power to start propelling the turbo for boost.

jonmark1985

I say go with him then. Use the website spitot305 showed as a reference and you should do fine. Contact the manufacturer on turbo size if your not yet decided on it. Good luck man.

BDR

yea, I was joking

I dont think I have experienced turbo lag on my car..once I hit the throttle from a slow roll its instant traction loss lol. When going 50-55 and hitting it, its a monster.

Right now I'm redoing the rings and heads because "a friend of mine" didnt set the gap correctly among other things, so I'm taking it to the shop that fabricated my setup which is what I should have done in the first place. I'll use his shop and he and I will get it done right.

junkcltr

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I knew you were joking. I was too. Turbo lag on a V8 is a rare condition and I think the only people that talk about it are the ones that have never ridden in a turbo V8 vehicle or have but it was a 1000+ HP 350ci with giant turbines, but even then the torque is so big that the average person wouldn't notice between N/A and boost.

That sucks about the rings. If that guy does engine work even half as nice as he did your TT fab work then it should last forever. How did you find the rings were too tight?

gibsongod716

ok guys so listen, im ordering the kit tomorrow, and i need your help. I want to run the intercooler and exhaust piping myself, but I dont have the equipment to bend the pipes myself. Now take a look at this picture, http://www.superiorairflow.com/533707481ARYOza_ph.jpg , see the blue bends, where can I get those from, those would really make it easier for me when installing the kit, thanks alot guys...

SpitotRs305

hmmmm... looks like a ford to me... but http://acehose.com/mcart/index.cgi?code=3&cat=12 towards the bottom

junkcltr

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If you want to go with steel then check out mandrel bend solutions on ebay. They are about the cheapest for steel bends. They are about half of what Summit gets for bends. The quality is slightly less. There is a company I found that does alum. bends and has prices that can't be beat, but I forget the name.

Either way, you need a TIG or MIG welder. Although, a cheap Clarke 130E ARC setup would do it if you are good at ARC welding. I have been practicing ARC with one and it welds 16 gauge steel or less nicely.

gibsongod716

ok the thing on that link, the second item down, crushproof exhuast hose, would that work? I'm not looking for the best of the best, and I think the turbo output is 2 and 1/4 inch and the intercooler input is 3" which is dumb, thats why I need something that is flexible and can be clamped or locked down...

gibsongod716

ok the kit has been ordered, i ordered some wrap for the headers, and some pieces of metal to fab up to support the headers, i dont like the way they made them to support the turbo like that. I made a quick picture to make sure that Im doing everything correctly, does it look right?

jonmark1985

Yeah the clamps that hold down the radiator give it away

ttypecamaro

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conceptually that diagram looks correct. you'll want to either put dump tubes to the ground on the wastegates or re-reoute them back into the exhaust.

don't plan on running the downpipes behind the headers as drawn in the pictures unless you plan on making firewall modifications. Simply won't fit. I'd try to squeeze them between cylinder 5 and 7 and next to cylinder 6 and 8.

don't forget your oiling system either!

gibsongod716

wow uh oh, the dump tubes from the wastegate, how would i re route them back into the exhaust? I really dont know what that is. Is it neccessary?

i have about 3 1/2 inch clearance from the firewall to 7 and 8 cylinders, took out a/c and other side was clear to begin with, hopefully that works.

and the oiling systems, can i just run it into the oil pan or is some drilling and work involved.

i dont plan on having this done for a long time because there is still so much i dont know about turbos, i figure doing this on my car will help me learn about how they work and how to install them.

ttypecamaro

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This is probably a good time to read the turbo stickies at the top of power adder. I also recommend getting a book or two. I have personally read "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell. That book and info found in the stickies will answer 99% of your questions about how it works and how to install a turbo.

gibsongod716

ok the kit is coming in two days. i ordered the maximum boost book. I just want to ask two questions hopefully youlll be able to answer. One is can i weld the blow off valve into the exhaust piping, and does it go inbetween the exhaust and turbo or between the turbo and intake?

the second is, for the wastegate, can that be welded in right after the turbo and have it feed back into the turbocharger? is that how it works?

thanks, hopefully this should be it and i can begin on installing when it comes

ttypecamaro

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the wastegte by passes exhaust around the turbine

the blow off valve releases boost pressure from the intake pipes

both systems are explained in detail and with pictures and diagrams in the book, happy reading!

gibsongod716

oh dammit, it says expected arrival date sept 15th! Yeah right, is this book popular, do you think the local barnes and noble would have it? I hope so, i look forward to reading it, I just hope i can get it. OH ALSO, I just recieved an email from ssautochrome stating that using the exhaust wrap on the headers will cause them to break and crack, is this a load of crap? I use them on my hedman hedders and there is nothing wrong with them...

ttypecamaro

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I got my book from the Barnes and Noble near my school, I've seen the book on the shelf at my local one as well.

the reason they say don't wrap it is because the wrap can hold moisture causing corrosion, weakening the metal. Welds are especially succeptable to corrosion.

junkcltr

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Welcome to the forced induction world. Here is something to read while waiting for that book

http://www.theturboforums.com/turbotech/main.htm

Turbo manifolds run hot. After a good WOT run my manifolds glow slight orange. The extra heat is harder on manifolds/headers.

manifoldsrme

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Did you get the kit yet? Opinions? Enquiring minds want to know!

firstfirebird

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Pipes for even cheaper...
http://store.racing-solutions.org/index.html

gibsongod716

yes its here, Im not going to install it yet, everything seems pretty good and cool, i want to get thru the hole book first. if some of you remember correctly, i had purchased a cheap ebay turbo kit some time in may when i first joined, i had mounted the manifolds, but i gave up on the project and gave it to my friend, hopefully ill be able to get a little further with some more reading and research, wish me luck, ill post pics as i progress too