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Forum: History / Originality
03-21-2024, 10:43 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 674
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1988 1LE Simple Questions

I have never checked if any of the 1988 players cars had 1LE. I will give it a look. That would be quite a surprise. Ill say 99% that none were 1LE.

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
03-20-2024, 11:09 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

My 89 1LE is one of the first made ... and it had the gas tank with high wall reservoir. Odd the later ones did not. My 89 was a GM Engineering car ... so it might have been special order to...
Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:37 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

And the dimples .. 1988 none, 1989 yes. Lots of changes from pre-production 1988 1LE parts to production 1989 parts.
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Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:33 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

1988 Players brakes (same as magazine)

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thirdgen.org-vbulletin/782x658/1988_players_1le_2a9b4e5256d1fc6658c993dbba19094cf673be94.jpg
Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:29 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

And the production version for comparison:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.thirdgen.org-vbulletin/857x577/1le_brake_later_2c5a3e6244283ff1fa753669c2c79ae54e7aafd7.jpg
Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:22 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

The EAR part which is next to the large bolts bolt makes this a 1988 only part. the rounded EAR was removed in later castings. In 88, the parts were ground to fit (on my 88 players cars). 89...
Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:11 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

In 89, only the 1LE cars got the revised tank. In 1990, any port injection should have had it. Racing led to better production parts. You can read the parts books and see the change over in...
Forum: History / Originality
03-19-2024, 10:06 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 19,982
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Brakes - some history

It is an early article as the abutment brackets are 1988 only versions. These are the same one on the 88 players cars. In 89 they were revised to have better clearance to the spindles. I suspect...
Forum: History / Originality
01-30-2024, 09:44 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

Drop me a note and I will try to help.

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
11-16-2023, 09:15 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

There are all part of the Canadian race series. In Oct 1986, there was one race in the USA ... instead of Players, they were logo'd with "HARDEES" and ran one race. No other races in the US.

A...
Forum: History / Originality
11-15-2023, 08:23 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

The Players cars were bolt in. Main hoop and rear bars are welded. Forward bars, halo, and door all bolt in.

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
11-14-2023, 09:18 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

They don't have the front halo or upper bars. Just the hoop and angled down door bars. Which are way easier to get in and out of! For street duty ... the full cage is a pain. no room.
Forum: History / Originality
11-14-2023, 08:20 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

All were bolted in. A plate under the car to match the plate inside the car. And bolted together. Different version existed over the years. 86 was unique and provided by GM. 87-up were made...
Forum: History / Originality
07-27-2023, 06:37 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

Drop me a note. I have all the VINs and suffixes. Which year are you looking for?
Forum: History / Originality
05-27-2023, 08:33 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

There were 2 demo cars made ni 1985 to showcase the race program in 86. They were 305 LG4 cars if I recall. I know of one which has a really low VIN ... 100014 which probably meant it was suppose...
Forum: History / Originality
04-24-2023, 10:26 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 927
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: ISO the lightweight GTA wheel (race spec) ... (pic heavy)

depends on the mounting surface. If it is smooth, then 2nd. If it has the reliefs where the casting date is, then third.

I don't know the breakover ... so curious on your 88/01

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
04-22-2023, 01:28 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 927
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

ISO the lightweight GTA wheel (race spec) ... (pic heavy)

I've always heard and ready about a "lightweight" Pontiac crosslaced wheel. Even the Players tech sheets have an order for for the lightweight wheels. I've never found any evidence to support...
Forum: History / Originality
02-20-2023, 09:23 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 635
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1986 TA Convertible - with recaros

You can share.

I have a slide of the car pacing a racing in 1986. I thought it was pretty cool, but it wasn't a great pic to look at the details. At least this one tags ASC, GM Motorsports. ...
Forum: History / Originality
02-20-2023, 11:24 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 472
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: OEM Headlights for 1991 Firebirds - what was the brand?

I knew Guide was the early cars for sure. Wasn't sure on the later ones ... maybe so but with an updated logo. DRAT ... mine are all GE. Like you ... id just put them in a box but I was hopeful...
Forum: History / Originality
02-20-2023, 11:22 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 635
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

1986 TA Convertible - with recaros

A picture of a pacecar used for the GM motorsport series back in 86/87. I had seen other pics of it ... but this was one of the better ones. Early work between ASC and GM. I like the Recaro...
Forum: History / Originality
02-19-2023, 06:17 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 472
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

OEM Headlights for 1991 Firebirds - what was the brand?

Does anyone have a pic of the OEM headlights for a 1991 Firebird? Who are the manufacturers? A pic of an original would be helpful ... see if any of the ones I have are by chance original.
...
Forum: History / Originality
12-16-2022, 03:35 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 4,184
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1989 IROC Camaro Z28 1LE R7U Players Challenge

Looks good! So nice to see them being preserved!

Mark.
Forum: Canadian Region
11-15-2022, 09:46 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 465
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: Hello from Edmonton

How did your project go? I am around Edm area. Have Thirdgen parts ... and Trans Ams no less!

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
10-28-2022, 08:44 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

Remember, the cars were raced for 1 year, and then teams had to buy the new model for the next race season. So many 87's ended up back on the street, and then a new 88 model was raced using the...
Forum: DIY PROM
10-28-2022, 07:38 PM
Replies: 41
Views: 2,860
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: S_AUJP Version 7 - Now Supports Turbo (August, 2021)

Jumper wire for peak and hold? Maybe I missed that?

I used a resistor in line to simulate same load as port injector bank. It works ... maybe not the ideal design ... but I never followed the...
Forum: History / Originality
10-26-2022, 06:21 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

87 and 88s you could order with or without options. So a power seat could be an option. By 89 it was a standard option grouping with only color as the choice.

Base level cars would have been...
Forum: History / Originality
10-24-2022, 06:50 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

No, that VIN did not come with power seats. Just AR9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,MANUAL RECLINING(EUROPEAN STYLE) MAN RECL FRT BKT ST,DELUXE(AR9). Its not unlikely that the interior was...
Forum: DIY PROM
10-05-2022, 10:05 PM
Replies: 0
Views: 355
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

S_AUJP - Boosted 3.0L

HI All,

I thought I would share my experience with S_AUJP in an uncommon setup. It's all still GM ... but a bit unique. Shows what you can make work.

The project is called "RAT10" which is...
Forum: DIY PROM
09-25-2022, 12:07 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,110
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: AUJP V 5 to AUJP V7 Upgrade Tach Issue

Elky,

As always. Thanks for the details. Once I sorted out what was holding the idle, then it started to behave normal. This is on a 3.0L 4 cyl project, so I need a higher idle than a V8 on...
Forum: DIY PROM
09-23-2022, 11:53 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,110
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: AUJP V 5 to AUJP V7 Upgrade Tach Issue

Hmm, I am running a later version of S_AUJP with Turbo stuff. Wonder when it was fixed.
Forum: DIY PROM
09-23-2022, 09:50 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,110
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: AUJP V 5 to AUJP V7 Upgrade Tach Issue

Sharp38

Curious ... did you ever resolve your "in-gear" thing? I setup a new S_AUJP setup and it shows "in-gear" and caused me grief with the "in gear max RPM" which caused idle issues when...
Forum: History / Originality
09-19-2022, 11:08 PM
Replies: 57
Views: 12,541
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: Canadian Players 1LE R7U questions

Hi. You need to look at stamping on front of the block. If it was a series replacement, then it will have the build date and code. If it was in a car, then the partial vin will be there. My...
Forum: History / Originality
09-10-2022, 09:53 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 2,990
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1LE/R7U

My suspicions ... it was a raced car. Taken off the track, decals removed, or paint changed, and then sold off. Pretty common for the old race cars. Would need to see more pics.

Seems the...
Forum: History / Originality
09-10-2022, 09:48 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,231
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1991 TRANS AM 1LE

OMG ... this is an old post ... doh!
Forum: History / Originality
09-10-2022, 09:47 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,231
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1991 TRANS AM 1LE

Time to do some reading and research on 1LE. Lots of post in history section on this.
Forum: History / Originality
09-10-2022, 09:46 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,231
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1991 TRANS AM 1LE

Yes that was a pipe left over from the GM race exhaust. I didn't recall if that car was raced or not. Looks like it may have been setup ... so time to look for holes from the roll cage install.
Forum: History / Originality
09-05-2022, 08:39 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 2,973
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 9 Bolt BW on a early build 90 G92 5-spd ?

And one with super low miles ... with no reason for the Diff to be swapped.
Forum: DIY PROM
08-09-2022, 10:45 AM
Replies: 41
Views: 2,860
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: S_AUJP Version 7 - Now Supports Turbo (August, 2021)

Sharing info ... depending on your distributor your spark reference angle is going to be base timing, or it will be 90 degrees. I ran a 2.4L iron duke single TBI setup and it needed 90 degrees for...
Forum: History / Originality
04-12-2022, 07:39 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

pm me. I have all the VINs for the players cars and can validate it.
Forum: History / Originality
02-22-2022, 12:59 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 14,914
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Facts & Figures - Number Breakdown by RPO Codes

Lots of work tabulating all those numbers! With all the hype on BOT, I'm sure we will see more 1LE cars show up. I'm surprized how many seem to have been preserved. Saw a Syclone go through at...
Forum: Interior Parts Wanted
02-15-2022, 11:41 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 428
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: Gray GTA seat head rest

I have a set of those. IF you are still looking let me know.
Forum: History / Originality
01-27-2022, 08:31 PM
Replies: 99
Views: 13,171
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Fact & Fiction

This story also goes to the 1990 Iroc made early on .. .Sep ... which came with the BW 9 bolt 3.45 instead of the Saginaw 10 bolt 3.42. I've seen a few folks with the 9 bolts where they should have...
Forum: History / Originality
01-27-2022, 07:31 PM
Replies: 99
Views: 13,171
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Fact & Fiction

Ok cool. Trying to piece it all together. Curious what years it applied to as the racing cars stopped using them in 1990 or 1991.
Forum: History / Originality
01-27-2022, 05:41 PM
Replies: 99
Views: 13,171
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Fact & Fiction

"gas guzzler taxes"

Somewhere I recall reading that ... maybe on TGO. Seems to make sense why they came up with the ligher weight spare and driveshaft (and hollow swaybar and lexan t-tops) to...
Forum: History / Originality
01-26-2022, 01:29 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 1,280
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: Where do you find a buildsheet in a 3rd gen?

And interesting to see on your car ... the job number tag riveted on your rad support will have the 097802 number.
Forum: History / Originality
01-25-2022, 11:00 PM
Replies: 99
Views: 13,171
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1LE Fact & Fiction

Talking with a tech inspector for the race series who worked closely with GM ... the story is about the front sway bars. In 89 the 1LE cars whether TA or Camaro came with many of the same parts. The...
Forum: History / Originality
01-20-2022, 09:34 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 931
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: 1992 IMSA camaro racer goes for $7,700 at Mecum Kissimmee

While a race car is cool, the market to sell them is small. And all the non-stock stuff scares away collectors (IMO).

I bought my 91 1LE TA race car, in race form. Cage, lexan, no interior, not...
Forum: History / Originality
01-16-2022, 03:03 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

I like the original paint still on the car from 1987! Hard to believe it survived all the years.

Mark.
Forum: History / Originality
01-12-2022, 03:54 PM
Replies: 781
Views: 153,475
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)

Part of the car inspections were to have all the equipment in, as well to adhere to corner weights, ride heights, sway bar size and so forth. In later seasons they allowed teams to remove the hood...
Forum: History / Originality
01-06-2022, 09:37 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 1,632
Posted By Mark_ZZ3

Re: Gatorbacks.....

67restoproj Hey those date codes don't match your car. Totally wrong. I mean the judges will deduct points. I'll trade you some tires, um, really good ones too. :-p
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