zupmanZ28

its been raining all day here in Delaware, and i was coming home today, i come around a soft corner doing like 45 or 50 in fourth gear, i hit a slight bump, and it was all over from there. The rearend slid out, ****ed the car sideways, through the ditch, into a field, then the tires caught something and the car slingshotted the other way, cam back across the road and into the other field were it dug in and stopped about 20 feet into the field. Luckily my girlfriend was behind me so she gave me a ride to my friends house who has a surburban, then we drove back, pulled it out of the field with the truck, and i drove it home. I put it over a pit to get under and check everything over, and there aint a damn thing wrong with the car anywhere. I guess im lucky in that area. camaros sure can take some abuse, but im still worried about the suspension so im gonnA rebuild it. Does anyone sell a complete rebuild kit for front and back? if so about how much $ am i looking at?

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back.
Homemade cold/forced air intake.

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Bort62

Dont Go So fast around Turns In the Rain
Lucky U didnt Fubar it

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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Z28 LG4 - Daily Driver
**Mods**
MSD Superconductors - Vaccum Advance Distributor
14" Open Element - Mech Qjet
KYB all around - Smog EQ Mostly Removed.
Best ET as of yet : 3 hours + to Drive To the Nearest Track

zupmanZ28

...50 around this corner is nowhere close to fast, 80 mph, now thats fast for this corner, like i said, it was very slight curve....

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back.
Homemade cold/forced air intake.

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Nightcruzer

Other than the advice of slowing down, try better tires and remember our cars (as most sports cars) are simply not designed for maximum wet road traction.

Monkie

No 50 mph is fast around a turn especially when you drop it into 3rd and punch it. Rain or no rain you will get dead sideways. Been there done that. Ended up looking at the car behind me. It was my friend tho and he was laughing his *** off at me. It was fun tho!



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

TomP

I don't know... for a car to shoot sideways "through the ditch, into a field, caught & slingshot the other way, back across the road and..."- that sounds like you took the turn way too fast- or maybe someone dumped a case of 10w30 on the ground?


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

biscwgn

Hey look at the bright side you could have been driving a family sedan(BORING)but instead you chose to take 3rd Gen which proved to give you one HELL OF A RIDE correct me if i'm wrong thats why we drive them is for the Ride (YEAH!!!!!!!)

junkyarddog

LOL... I wouldn't worry about the suspension,I'm rebuilding mine for $1100-1600 depending on what I do. I off roaded so many times when I first bought my car(I was 17)nothing ever got destroyed exept for a tire once....when the roads are wet and your taking a corner,especially with bumps!!!,it's time to S L O W way down,who cares about that goofus in the 6ton SUV that want's to tailgate you through every turn.save the speedy driving for sunny days I have pirelli formula all-weather tires,I have no problems in the rain.are you sure that wasn't a patch of black ice?

jaymz

Just be glad you were not driving a rustang.I had one and could not keep the rear on the ground in the wet or dry.Why do you think in the 80s most cops went in for the crown vics when it started to rain.After that I got a camaro,and love it.

JoeG-89RS

Hell, I'm driving down the street and someone spits on the sidewalk and my car wants to do donuts down the block. Welcome to the lovely world of criving 3rd gens. Glad you weren't hurt.

junkyarddog

try peeling out of the car-wash........fun

zupmanZ28

monkie, who said anything about slamming it in third? I was shifting into fourth doing no more than 45-50 when it happened.
tomP- i went back and looked at the scene today, and i saw where it really went. it never got to the first ditch, just the grass and dirt on the side of the road. the mud on the tires was responsible for the car spinning back across the road and into the other ditch, it wasnt as bad as i thought, but when your car is flying off the roads, with you in it, you tend to exxagerate things in your mind. it was one Hell of a ride though, the best part was the damn thing lived through it and i drove it home. One tire did finally go down last night though, owell they were terrible tires anyway, they were new, but they were cheap garbage, so its time for some real ones....

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back.
Homemade cold/forced air intake.

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Monkie

No thats what I do. I just dont hit a field fly to the moon then back across the road and hit an old lady. Sounds to me like bad driver and not the car. I seem to be able to correct myself rather well in rain or not.



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

junkyarddog

no really man,you need to chill,tires won't help.I have the cheapest tires and I can hold my own in the rain,especially in So. Cal where rain is so rare that people don't know what to do,I just wait for the residue to wash away and drive like a Wyoming/New Englander normally drives in the rain.the fact that it was raining all day means that the roads were clean as can be,unless you cought hydro plane which doesn't normally happen with f-bodies you really shouldn't have been off roading.

monkie,we really should race, so you can have the opportuinity to race a real V8....I rock V6s all the time..ha ha to you V6 guys

zupmanZ28

we can all talk about our driving skills ( or lack of) till were blue in the face, but were not gonna get anywhere. personally ive had my car powersliding around corners doing 80 with it pegged in third and its never gotten away from me. I can also sit here all day and try to think up excuses as to why it did it this time and never before. even when driving the car normally in the rain, it likes to lose traction all the way through third, this is the first time it ever broke traction in fourth though, and it did catch me off guard, hell i was shifting into fourth to keep it from spinning in third, cause it likes to do that. and yes i too can correct myself in the rain, i have to be able to with my car, after all it does have a REAL engine in it. had i been driving my old 87 with the 2.8, i would have had no problems correcting that cause it never would have happened, it had nowhere near enough power- EVEN in the rain, and again you can try to tell me otherwise, but im just speaking from my own experiences with my v6 third gen....

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back.
Homemade cold/forced air intake.

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Monkie

oooo that one stung!

hehe j/k. Ill race ya! Why not? Its fun even if you do loose. But why dont ya let me get my TCed 3.8 first?? Then you can race a real V6....I will rock alot of V8s all the time..ha ha to you V8 guys



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Monkie

zupmanZ28

I know what ya mean about the rain thing. But you are wrong a V6 has well over enough power to get loose. When it rains here I have to be really careful going after a stop. If I gun it I can spin 1st 2nd and half of 3rd. And still be going only 20 mph. But then again my back tires are almost bald.

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

zupmanZ28

Monkie,
i can agree with you there. when i gunned my old v6 from a get go, it did break loose, especially in the rain. the cool thing (or not so cool depending on how you look at it) is with the 350, you dont have to even come close to flooring it, hell just letting the clutch out the wrong way will spin the hell out of the tires- ESPECIALLY around corners when it wet ....

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam. Edelbrock performer cat- back.
Homemade cold/forced air intake.

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

Ovrclck350

Tell me about it...I wrecked my car Friday in the rain, and i WASN'T gunnin it or anything. In fact, I was going slower than the car in front of me. The cop was understanding, and didn't give me a ticket. He said he used to own a thirdgen. My car's fine, but it still sucked. I can just feel my insurance rates going up. Ah it sucks to be 19.....

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92 Bird 3.1L Auto
Best $750 I ever spent....

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!

Kills:
93 Mustang LX (Before Mods)
AIM name OVRCLCK350

junkyarddog

rainy days are good days to punch it and swing some crazy fish tails,evey time my car slides,I just laugh,then i just down shift and spin it bach the other way,if it gets out of control I just let off the gas completly,that gives it sudden traction,even on a wet road from 4000rpms.

dnovotny

Tires are the key. We all can recover our cars most of the time, but there might be that one instance when we can't. I've tried several different tires, and in wet weather, ones with better tread design make the car much more consistent in the rain.

Dave '91 T/A

zupmanZ28

Thanks for all your input on this subject, but nearly everyone has failed to answer my question. does anyone make a complete front and back suspension rebuild kit for third gens? if so how much is it gonna cost? My KYB gr2 struts and shocks went on the car today so thats out of the way, other than that, everything needs to be replaced....
thanks

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
MSD igniton,
3.73 posi rear

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Honda Accord (just barely), countless many ricers....

deadbird

Energy suspension does, called Hyper-Flex. it's a master rebuild kit(has All bushings) for about $120. You can buy it from JEGs


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Da Boid

- 4 out of 5 people think the 5th is an idiot

Monkie

Oh I didnt know you had a question I thought you were just telling us that. But YEA alot of places make suspension mods for our fbodies. I would go with Hotchkis tho. Its like the Lingenfelter of suspension . Thats what Im gettin!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

AIM screen name - Stopsign696
Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

junkyarddog

monkie,if you want me to wait for you to get a 3.1 TCed then you can wait for me to get a LT1 TCed,that would probably be better because my engine is running on borrowed time,it burns oil and smokes..he he ,it's always fun to get you V6 guys all worked up

TomP

It is? No kidding.


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

Monkie

You know there is no way you can outrun me, so why would you try? I will ALWAYS get better mpg so when you run out of gas and I keep going past you....then what? HAHA got ya there!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

AIM screen name - Stopsign696
Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT
94 Mustang GT
91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me)
2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!
1992 RS 305 TBI (good race)
More to come

Monkie

correction...3.8L TCed!!

MikeDwhoROCZImports

iTrader: (1)

My car used to suck in the rain.

Then I bought Dunlop Sport 9000's.

Now I can't tell the difference between in the pouring rain or a hot summer day, my car feels like a slot car wether it's raining or not. If I do FLOOR it I can get the backend sideways, BUT the second I let off the gas you can feel the rearend actually pull back to center and then lock in, it doesn't slide back the other way. NO OVERSTEER.

Best tires hands down, rain or shine.