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Old 07-30-2007, 10:31 AM   #1
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Carb to TBI conversion (non third gen)

Fired up Carb to TBI conversion on my '75 C20 for the first time on Sunday morning. Short video on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxuOOliRdg

Wow, a lot more throttle response, much smoother idle, etc etc.

Still plenty of work ahead:
In cab wiring harness (you saw that mess didn't you??)
P/N switch mod
TCC mod
TV cable check
Air cleaner assembly yet to be determined

But 8 month of hard work finely paid off - it fired on the first try thanks to TGO for all the help and support.

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Old 07-30-2007, 03:17 PM   #2
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Re: Carb to TBI conversion (non third gen)

are you running a stock 350 chip/bin, or a custom?
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:56 PM   #3
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Re: Carb to TBI conversion (non third gen)

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During initial fire-up I used 7747 with ASDU broadcast code. I have not had a chance to do perform any data logging due to (to put it mildly) unfinished in cab harness. I have not driven my truck yet, as I still have to modify P/N switch, connect TCC, install auxiliary fuse panel to make installation less than a science experiment!
My engine is basically stock 350 (8.5:1) with a mild RV cam (at least that's what previous PO told me). I'll try to data log this coming weekend while parked - not much help there. I hope this helps.

I do have burn capability and Romulator for real time PROM modifications. But first things first.

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I hope you have better luck than me. I am using the same broadcast code and way too lean. I would appreciate an update once you have logged some data.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:46 AM   #5
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Fired up Carb to TBI conversion on my '75 C20 for the first time on Sunday morning. Short video on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxuOOliRdg

Wow, a lot more throttle response, much smoother idle, etc etc.

Still plenty of work ahead:
In cab wiring harness (you saw that mess didn't you??)
P/N switch mod
TCC mod
TV cable check
Air cleaner assembly yet to be determined

But 8 month of hard work finely paid off - it fired on the first try thanks to TGO for all the help and support.

//RF
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Doing the same thing on my '84, but its a Th350 so no TCC.

Did you wire up the VSS and get that working properly?

I haven't started the wiring yet. I have a harness and suck from an '87 I stripped, I figure I'll go to town on it soon. I need a schematic from an '84 truck so I know which wires are the power, vss, and so on so I can splice that stuff in.

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Old 08-09-2007, 10:29 AM   #6
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Re: Carb to TBI conversion (non third gen)

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If you have complete harness of '87 it should be used as a whole.
I do not know '84 truck details - is it CCC Q-Jet?? If it is you can use existing dizzy - just re-do 4-pin connector between dizzy and harness.
CCC also used the similarly spec-ed CTS
In my case I am using VSS from JTR - it is a small unit and bolts up right to the transmission. I have not finished verifying VSS at this time. You'll need 2k pulse unit for 7747 ECM.
Other than that I would use a separate circuit relay (30AMP) - ignition on enabled and several in line fuses to provide power to injectors, ECM-IGN, and heated O2. Fuel pump relay circuit must be installed separately since ECM will controll it.

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If you have complete harness of '87 it should be used as a whole.
I do not know '84 truck details - is it CCC Q-Jet?? If it is you can use existing dizzy - just re-do 4-pin connector between dizzy and harness.
CCC also used the similarly spec-ed CTS
In my case I am using VSS from JTR - it is a small unit and bolts up right to the transmission. I have not finished verifying VSS at this time. You'll need 2k pulse unit for 7747 ECM.
Other than that I would use a separate circuit relay (30AMP) - ignition on enabled and several in line fuses to provide power to injectors, ECM-IGN, and heated O2. Fuel pump relay circuit must be installed separately since ECM will controll it.

//RF
Well I have the small cap dizzy and all that from the '87. I figured I'd run the harness as normal through the firewall, locate ECM power from the CCC ecm. The injector power I can wire direct to battery with an inline fuse, same with the fuel pump relay. Just need the schematic for the in-dash end of the wiring.

I was told the speedo unit in the dash on the CCC setups has a VSS output that could wire into the ecm ?

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Re: Carb to TBI conversion (non third gen)

Looks like you got everything covered. VSS is probably is built into dash and signal is delivered via DRAC module?? which has 2k pulse/mile output?

In my case I swapped dizzy gear with melonized gear. My disco era 350 uses a hydraulic lifter cam shaft which does not work very well with dizzy gear designed to work with steel roller cams. I could not find melonized gear for 0.428 diameter shaft used by a small hat dizzy.

If you are doing direct transplant ('87 engine into '84) then disregard my comment above.

What are you doing for a fuel pump??? '87 used in tank FP. I use Carter in-line CRT-P5001 3/8" I/O - use at least 5/16 fuel return line. Do not use 1/4 vapor return for fuel return!

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Looks like you got everything covered. VSS is probably is built into dash and signal is delivered via DRAC module?? which has 2k pulse/mile output?

In my case I swapped dizzy gear with melonized gear. My disco era 350 uses a hydraulic lifter cam shaft which does not work very well with dizzy gear designed to work with steel roller cams. I could not find melonized gear for 0.428 diameter shaft used by a small hat dizzy.

If you are doing direct transplant ('87 engine into '84) then disregard my comment above.

What are you doing for a fuel pump??? '87 used in tank FP. I use Carter in-line CRT-P5001 3/8" I/O - use at least 5/16 fuel return line. Do not use 1/4 vapor return for fuel return!

//RF
Well. The L05 had a small dizzy and flat tappet hydraulic cam. So there is no problem there. I'm not doing a direct transplant, I just am using a lot of stuff off the '87 to do the swap. Motor is a 350 block, thats at the machine shop right now gettign machined up. Hyper pistons, 64cc heads, and edelbrock 2102 cam.

I grabbed the whole tank off the '87 and it's going in the '84.

The '84 has a 5/16" return line as well as a 1/4" vapor line. So that part of it is not too bad, and at 14 or so PSI hose clamps shouldn't be a problem either.

As far as the VSS, i'm taking what I was told on the fullsizechevy boards, that the drac output will work. But I'm not 100% positive. If the pulse is different I can mod it in the chip.

Once I get the motor back from the machine ship, I'll assemble it and start the wiring process. I'll be sure to post some pix.

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