onebadwagon

i need to find a car that runs 10s or 11s naturally aspirated with 4.11s or taller. in a 3200 or more car. does anyone have one?

this is to win a bet with a GN guy. come on. im trying to make chevy look good.


adam

rezinn

Some guy I worked with had a 383 LT1 in the 11s N/A but sprayed it and broke some things to run 10s. That's 23 cubes bigger, but you couldn't tell by looking at the engine.

I think some AFR headed 350s running the super ram and LPE 219 cam are in the 11s.

onebadwagon

yup, i need nothing bigger than a 360, its my whole argument with my buddy. come on people, na in the elevens, shouldnt be that hard, post websites if you know of anyone doing it.



adam

f-crazy

iTrader: (-1)

how about a 305 tpi running 12.2 and 11.77 on a 90 shot?

fast83camaro

I know of a stang that runs an 8.42 in the 1/8.....

94-6spd

Me and a friend of mine put together a 355 that has 10.9 compression, dart iron eagle heads, torker intake and a 650 dp holley. The cam was a crane solid flat tappet. .518 .536 lift.

This ran high 11's with 3.73's and a 3000 converter.

rx7speed

here ya go

almost all stock ls6 motors from the z06 vette

I think one of them was stock

but yeah I think they might work
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http://z06vette.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=25689

onebadwagon

94 6speed, that is what im needing. thanks, gotta be a small block or lt1, no ls1's

how heavy was that car

adam

94-6spd

The weight is about 3300 lbs. That cam is in Jegs. Just look at the Saturday night special Crane cams. If I remember correctly.

onebadwagon

anyone else? youve got to be kidding me, only one nonstroker medium inch small block in the elevens n/a streetably? come on now.

adam

tamu130

i THINK about having something like that alot. does that count for anything? probably not.

i think that wouldnt be too hard to do though. just my 2 cents.

JMatlock88

There are people out there faster than me, but I think I fit your criteria...
I have a natural aspirated 355, 10.7:1, AFRs, Fuel Injected, dyno verified 460HP and 520ft lbs (and air conditioned!) Weight is 3300 lbs.
It's never been to the track as I just finished it in October. It will run 11s I'm fairly certain.

titeride85

okay matlock, how did you get so much torque with those hp numbers on a 355? I am considering a 355 as a toy to go in an s-10 but I want to go n/a. every mockup I have seen to get 520 ft-lb has well over 500hp also. Can you share some mods so we can see how to get those tq numbers?

onebadwagon

his sig says hes got spray, that would explain the numbers, however that wouldnt explain the N/A PART!!!!!!!!!!!!!


adam

badgta

iTrader: (4)

build ya a 355 with 10.3: comp, comp off the shelf xe282hr cam, afr 190's a single plane intake, with a speed demon 750 and all the other goodies..

that thing should throw out around 500hp and 490 lbs fts

that should easily throw ya into the 11's, and that cam is perfectly streetable... power brakes too!!!!!

ede

al corda runs in the 11s with a 4th gen ta ls1

ronterry

I can't believe no one said an 840HP 358CIN Winston Cup Engine (Say one from DEI). Geeessss....

I think the Cup cars are right at 3400 pounds, so gear it right, and wala...
...I think those cars are running around quarter mill though If not more now-a-days...

Ron

88IROC350TPI

I can name COUNTLESS cars with smallblocks running better than 11's.

Here is one example (I can go on ...but this guy fits us the best since its a thirdgen): http://www.ltownracing.org/featured_ride_december02.htm

That thing runs single digits on spray and is a STREET car. 350, 10" tire, 3.70 gears .......

onebadwagon

i said no ls1's we all know they are capable of those times.


adam

Marshall89ws6

with the motor im building now i shold run low 12s..... with my last motor i ran consistent low 11ss.... it was also a 355.

JMatlock88

Read the sig closer, jerk. I have a 150 shot, yes. IN ADDITON to my natural numbers.

1969 350 4 bolt main .030 over
all name brand bearings, etc
all arp fasteners
forged crank and trw forged pistons
polished aftermarket ibeam rods
afr 195 68cc street CNC port
224 224 560 560 retro hydro roller custom grind cam
1.6 Crane race gold rockers
hardened pushrods
moroso pan
sfi 8" balancer
sfi flywheel
ministarter
stealth ram
58mm BBK
afpr
SVO 30s
msd pro billet distrib
crane hi-6s with timing retard **** for boost
accel supercoil
alum waterpump
alum 3 piece udrive pullies
hooker supercomp 1.75" longtubes
dual exh w/ 2 40 series flows
stage II 700r4 w/ torco 3100 lockup stall w/ antibalooning
150 NX shark nozzle w/ 10lb compucar bottle and solenoids
completely full interior w/ a/c and all options except ttops, rear defrost, foglamps.
brakes are stock
wheels are Ronal Firehawk 17s
aluminum 1le driveshaft
10bolt w/ 28 spline moser axles, 3.73s, cclip elim, alum stud girdle
spohn control arm lowering brackets
hotchkis control arms
ssm sfc's
tokico adjustable struts
all poly bushings

oh, I'm getting ready to bolt up mufflex's 4" catback instead of the duals this weekend.

rx7speed

if you are arguing with your friend why not use the Ls1 or ls6?

it is a small block isn't it?

and it isn't like there is anything done to it that makes is so exotic or anything

SSC

My Camaro ran up and down 13's NA "non corrected" at altitude 4800ft in street trim nothing really special 12.1 compression 355, comp 270H 670 SA carb headders with dual exhaust.

My 76 C10 runs consistiant 12.7's NA "non corrected" in full street trim.

350camaro

JMatlock
Which TRW pistons are you using with those 68cc chamber AFR's, do they have a dome?

nosibear

This is to win a bet with a "GN" guy ?? And the Chevy has to be N/A ???

Kingtal0n

3600 Lbs...
360 cube motor...
11.06 @ 120 Mph...

yeah i got one, you need pics or somthing? how about a video or 4? I got some. Kingtal0n@aol.com email me and ill email you.

its a simple buildup too. 76 camaro, 360 sbc, th400 (w/brake), big slicks.

its been done and re-done and re-done. the whole N/A 11 second thing, that is.

hell in 1969 the Beefed up Z-28s with the dinky 302's that spun 11,000 Rpms would run 11's. not the stock ones (those were 13 second machines) the real beefed up ones. I wasnt around back then but i got plenty of literature on that time era.

onebadwagon

thanks kingtalon, thats what im talking about,

yes, the ls1 IS bad *** and exotic, the different valve angles make it dramatically different from a small block, the complex fuel injection works magic. it is a work of art.

yes, this is to win the bet with the gn guy.

send me videos or links to
the_wagon_that_zigs@yahoo.com


tell me what you guys think ill run

3500 lbs with me,

355, forged ross pistons, h beam rods, fully balanced.
victor jr 23* heads, well ported to over 300 cfm at .625 lift intake and 230 ish exhaust(not sure on the exhaust)

victor jr.
custom solid roller
Grind # CS 4876/4877 SR 109 + 4
Duration @ .050 254/260...Valve lift .582/.588 LSA 109 W/ 4 degrees advance built in

hooker super comp 1 3/4 headers, open

th400, 4k ish stall, havent bought it yet.

3.73

adam

im looking for high elevens on motor, on BIG drag radials

JMatlock88

Yes, they are domed. The compression ratio is about 10.7:1. The heads had to be clearanced to clear the dome.

Kingtal0n

<b>3500 lbs with me</b>


if you hook correctly you can run an 11 on that setup. thats a 7K rpm setup, in my opinion, should be good for about 600-650 horsepower N/A. Add nitrous and you've got a pretty mean machine.

onebadwagon

ill have a 250 shot plumbed, but i plan to keep the nitrous use to a minimum, i gotta make this motor last a while. this crap is expensive

adam

rx7speed

fuel injection does work fairly well but almost any motor comes stock with fuel injection...

also as far as the heads are going the ls1 might use different valve angles but it is still a small block chevy... also if I went out and bought a 350 right now, you know the most common small block, I could get heads that have an 18 degree valve angle to them. granted they cost mroe but I wouldn't call that exotic.

so why can't you use it against your friend for the argument?

onebadwagon

dude, what is wrong with you?
an LS1 is NOT a small block chevy, an lt1 i could see. but the only thing an ls1 shares with its predecessor would be ROD BOLTS.


not exactly the same aye?
the fuel injection that comes on the LS1 is about a million times more complex than that found on most cars. especially the beloved TPI system.

thank you drive through.
adam

this is my post, dont argue with me on my simple question, i just wanted to know what people had done.

rx7speed

first off you need to carry less of an attitude around here.
second you said that you wanted to know what ppl have done to there cars, but yet your original question was stated as such



[b] [b]

being that the ls1 is a under that 360ci displacement IT DOES MEET YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION. therefore I posted about it as did others.

the fuelinjection system found of the LS1 even though it might be more complex then a TPI shouldn't disqualify it from the arguement... if this was the case then why not get rid of the TPI setup due to it being millions of times more complex then the mechanical fuel injection system used on the vette back in the day.


as for the LS1 not being a small block chevy I could have sworn that it was still a small block chevy albeit a new generation of small block chevy. but still a small block chevy and regardless still under your 360ci displacement rule you posted at first.

but please I don't know why you have have an issue now I tried to remain polite while just offering some help, and yet you become rude with me. I just hope you get your issues figured out rather then going off on people who are trying to give you some advice

onebadwagon

lol, i dont think i was "going off"

yes, i should have mentioned that this was for NON LS1 cars. my fault, but after i say no ls1's because they arent what im trying to find out about, telling me that i should want to hear about ls1's isnt going to get anywhere.

fact- ls1's rock, but we all know, a converter gears and cam, you have an 11 sec ls1

i wanted to know what people have done with small block chevy powered vehicles.

PhilM

How about a 302 Chevy...in the 11's? That should impress him....

There is one in my garage, but it isn't quite finished and hasn't run that number...but in a few weeks or so....

onebadwagon

tell ya what, run that bad boy, then lets hear it.

RedFirebird

People can spit out 10 and 11 second combos for NA SBC's all day. Most of these combos are NOT streetable. If you want a ton of streetable power, get a 383. There was a guy with a c4 vette with a 383 with dart 2 heads, an LPE 219 cam, super ram, headers and exhaust, and surprisingly low compression (~9.8). He was making roughly 450 hp. This car also passes CA smog and gets good gas mileage. Because of all that torque (500+), he's got himself running well into the 11's. With more compression, some port work, and maybe some better, more matched parts, there's a ton of power left in that motor.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c4/bea...eResults.shtml

BuckeyeROC

I wouldn't say mine is anywhere near the fastest, but it's quick and drives VERY close to stock, which makes it a great daily driver/street car. All my runs were made in full street trim and my street tires (BFG DR's). I'm shooting for 11.9's N/A when it's tuned and then adding a 150 shot.

An mini-ram or LT1 intake with a Comp Cam 306 or similar grind in a 350 should get you into the 11's pretty easy and still be a streetable car, too.

Marc 85Z28

iTrader: (3)

http://www.badrap.net/times.htm

Read the legend. 360 NA cars in the 9s. I'm sure there are a ton more out there, but I'm not searching all day.

Remember, because you typed "streetable", it's left open to interpretation.