Alright I've heard alot of talk on this subject. I am most likely buying elderbrock with K&N filter, but I am not sure as to which size to get to replace my stock filter. A good part number refrence or link would be even better. What are some pointers when chosing?? ___________ Two Camaros, and all the time 305 5.0 Black Un4givin 1989 Camaro RS [This message has been edited by un4givin89 (edited July 19, 2001).]

I think you should just go ahead and buy the k&n air cleaner, since you're not using the edelbrock filter anyways. if you have the stock hood, I would go with the 2 1/4 by 14 clearner.

The stock hood over an LO3 TBI will fit a 14X3 filter (non-drop base) no problem. You might want to check out http://www.ramairbox.com I might be changing from my open element to their setup in the near future.

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1991 Chevy Camaro RS TBI w/auto
Mods:
Edelbrock TES Headers, REALLY high flow cat, 2 1/2 in catback flowmaster, 160 stat, hypertech chip, MSD ignition (rotor, cap, superconduct. wires), Bosch quad4 plugs, open air filter, all TBI mods, no smog stuff, no EGR, lots of suspention and alignment upgrades, and a big Chevy bowtie sticker on the back.

Fastest e.t.:
15.68 @ 87.3mph

14X3 non drop and toss that 1" spacer between TBI and stock airfilter. Just will fit under hood.

the problem you are going to find with doing it that way is that if you remove the spacer you will not be able to get the 14x3 open element on, without it hitting the distributor/coil. I have to keep it on otherwise it is not raised enough to properly seat. I do however suggest putting a gasket below the spacer or something to keep it firm to the TBI. That way it is all induction and no waste.

Think I'll go with 14 by 2 1/4 juss to be on a safe side. Thanks guys

don't forget those damn sensors

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster exhaust


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.

I'm doing this tomorrow as well. What sensors??

there is a small sensor attached to the bottom of the stock air cleaner. I believe it's a air temperature sensor. you can remount it in the knock out plug of your open element or just make sure it's plugged in and not interfering with anything. I had to put a new hole in my 9" because the K&N filter was just a bit thicker than the stock filter that came with the Mr. Gasket filter unit. The K&N number is E-3500. 9"by 3" w/ 7"inside diameter. $38.00 for the K&N $11.95 for the 9" Mr. Gasket unit. the car will throw trouble codes and not run well at all w/o that sensor plugged in.

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'92 firebird t-tops
305tbi,670cfm tbi, 2 1/2" Dynomax catback, 9x3 K&N open element

I replaced my stock unit with a 14" Mr. Gasket non-drop aircleaner and used a 14x3 Accel air cleaner and it works great on my 88' Firebird 305 TBI. My only problem is the breather filter right now is looking pretty crappy(stock pipe with stock breather filter)and I want to put a seperate breather filter on my valve cover but the pipe is stuck on the valve cover. Is there any trick to geting the pipe and gromet off the valve cover with out breaking them and having the bottom half of the pipe and gromet falling into my engine? And what size breather filter do I need to work on my stock valve cover? Thanks for the help.

Here is an guide to installing open element in your TBI
http://snflupigus.tripod.com/tech/op...tep1/step1.htm

In the theme of responses of yours to posts by others:

Why dont you go buy a book on how to calculate the correct size and figure it out for yourself rather than asking dumb questions?

who the hell are you? Why don't you go shove it up your ***

Why dont you?

Oh and I guess you can dish it out but you cant take it huh? Still wet behind the ears arent you? Child.

What in the hell are you talking about? Have I offended you some how? If you want to call me a child why are you droping to my level??

You asked:

This was edited to something less offensive:
It read something like this originally:

I didnt check all of your posts, but a few. Generally, helpful responses with no attitude are nice. Responses with attitude are completely unnecessary and wont be tolerated if you keep it up. I figured you didnt like being treated that way, so I posted to make sure and what do you know, you can dish it out but cant take it.

I suggest you lose the attitude.

Umm, I don't have one. Most of those I noticed you re-edited to your own taste and took out of context in a joking manner like the shoot it with a 12 gauge, that was a joke, or the thing about the fuse box, joking round there too. I don't like being pushed around by some stuck up, who happens to be a moderator. Write me a email if you think I'm outta touch.

At the risk of sounding like a follower, Im with madmax. Theres no need for attitude. Theres people of all different skill levels around here. Some have been into the hobby for years and some are just getting started and its real discouraging when some jerk starts shooting his mouth off. Im sure at one time even you had a few "dumb" questions. Or have you always known everything there is to know?

nothing more from the peanut gallery

Edited? Not. And by the way those are copies of the entire text you wrote in those posts, 100% unedited except for the one I said that you had edited this morning about the power steering.

Keep it up, and I'll tell Dirk to take care of you.

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Hey un4givin89,

Don't feel bad. It's just the type of humor you have that can be easily taken the wrong way. I kinda have the same sense of humor. Not quite that harsh, but I can tell when you're joking. Maybe if you just tried answering the questions first, then throw in a joke that doesn't contain the words "stupid", "jerk", or "duh", then it wouldn't be taken the wrong way.

I can tell you that I'm on the other page. I try and help people on here, then some other "know it all" (I dunno who )comes along and tells me I'm a moron, or stupid, and it ticks me off. AT LEAST I TRY AND HELP!!!! Isn't that what we go to this site for? To help and be helped?

"Well why don't you just do it this way?" is a response I get a lot. Obviously I didn't think of it that way, or don't know enough about it to think of any other way. If I did, I wouldn't need to ask, or I wouldn't tell another guy that I'm not 100% sure.

Just remember that it's not always what you say, but HOW you say it.

subject cleared [July 23, 2001 3:23:45 EST]

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AJ_92RS
can't help but be a southern born and raised red neck, always offends the leberals

Well I guess we got a little off topic there, huh. I see both points and I feel both points were made. Now can anybody tell me which is the best open air filter for my '86 305 4bbl 700tranny. I am a layman in this area and need all of the info available. Thanks

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86 Camaro Black SS Coupe, T Tops, Flowmaster, Custom Paint, Dunlop Road Kings S/R tires, Wheel Country Directional Chrome Wheels, New Leather seats, new carpet and headliner, complete front end suspension rebuild, new Valve seals, and more mods to come
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/niterider/86camaro.html
Morgan_Andre@hotmail.com

for TBI, do not get Edelbrock. All the ones I found are drop base. Get a flat base one like a Mr. Gasket or a P.A.W. brand one like I did or similar non-drop base. http://www.pawinc.com/ I used paper filters until I decided what size was good FOR ME. Once I did, I got a K&N for it.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

why shouldn't you use a drop base for TBI??

I just opend this thread, I just *knew* there was more to it than an open element discussion

If you use a flat base air cleaner you can get rid of the air cleaner spacer. This way, the incoming air can come in from the sides of the injectors rather than having to come straight down and around 'em. The flat bottom air cleaner will do the most good if you grind down the ridges around the throttle bores.

-Mark W.
'88 SC Camaro w/ 305 TBI

I'm guessing the proccedure is bout the same, but varies from person to person and there experince

No, you didnt step on my toes, in fact if you did I could care less, I am just looking out for others. A few of your replies were uncalled for, and it seems you are aware of that, so I guess the issue is cleared up.

Ditch the spacer ring on that TBI.

BTW, you really should take your name and phone number off that post up there, no telling what some people might do with that information.

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