TylerLT1S10

I have been doing a lot of research lately on flex fuels. I am very tempted to rework my fuel system to run on ethonal/e85. The main reason for this is because I can get the the price down to 75 cent a gallon on the high side if I produce it in-house. The cost is kinda steep like $1500 for a brewers for startup, but it can produce about 5 gallons a day. There has been a lot of misconception on ethanol like it eats @ your fuel lines and rubber seals. Witch is true only in its pure state 190 proof ethanol but mixed with 15% gas or additives the problem is solved. I was wondering if anyone here knows a good source for tuning a car performance oriented on ethanol. I plan to spray the motor and using 12.5 compression and ethanol as a fuel I have herd the results are great.

Making your own E-85

Building Your Own Ethanol Still

SchwarzCamaroRS

go on the southwest boards, synapsis did it to his 92 Z28 and he is tuning and everything with it, might pm him and ask him.

92rs85berlintta

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And keep us posted .. everyone of us on this board wants a cheaper fuel!!

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Tyler, how would you get the price as low as 75 cents.

it appears that the price of any feedstock
would be more than that.

FYI, I would not make E85 with 190 proof,
the ethanol must be 99 percent waterfree,

which can be done by treating 190 proof
with zeolite

azvolfan

I think the Saudi's aren't letting on about how much is left in there oil reserves. I think it is a lot less than they would have the world believe. This keeps the development of alternative power sources on the back burner in most countries, like the good ole US of A. If an alternative and viable power source was developed it would severely decrease the world wide clout of the arab nations.

Vader

Not to dealve too far into the political ramifications of alternate fuels development, but I believe you are spot-on with your analysis. The OPEC members already realize that they would have a LOT less global significance and voice if the demand for their only viable marketable product is reduced or eliminated. If we don't need their oil, (and we probably don't) we have little economic use for them, and a lot less tolerance for the problems in their way of life. I can envision a near total western abondonment of the region with no need for middle east energy. About all that would be left there of a "western presence" would be Jimmy Carter swinging a hammer.

Further, the OPEC members really have no clue about global oil reserves. They have no control nor handle on presumed vast reserves in Russia, North America, and the North Atlantic. If we could get past the environmental obstacles long enough to just drill some TEST wells (not production wells) in Alaska, just the indications of large quantities of crude in that area could be enough to drop global oil prices, even without pumping one barrel for production. I think that's what the current administration has wanted to do for some time, but I can't really be sure of anything the current administration wants to do. And the implications go a lot farther than the middle east. Venezuela would find itself in a similar situation. They'd have plenty of oil for themselves and near neighbors, but far less of a market for larger exports.

All that drivel aside, even reducing the U.S. demand for crude oil another 15-20% by supplementing with alternatives would be plenty of market pressure to drive the prices lower, and subsequently reduce influence from OPEC. As this conversion takes flight (and it already is, whether you realize it or not) you'll see the global changes. OPEC is already concerned that their prices are too high, and that alternatives are being researched. I'm thinking they should be afraid - Very afraid.

Derek The Great

eugh... Hybrids to me are a bad idea, pairing an electric motor with a gas one in a quest for better miliage seems like a good idea but then when you analyze it, it gets worse. No i havent researched them much, but heres what i have to say anyway.. This gas motor works part time, and i guess both motors will work at the same time to provide acceleration when needed, and when the car is braking it charges the batery. The battery is also charged by the gas motor.. Sure the motor is small, between 1.4-1.6 liters i dunno exactly because when i drive i fly the american flag, but the "big" savings on gas is when this motor isnt being used. Ok the motor is constantly being started up and shut down, the thing never has time to fully warm up the oil and disolve the moisture in the crankcase. Sure they have pcv systems but that stuff is only gonna work for so long, and the hippies that buy em wont replace that stuff when it goes bad anyhow.. so by no more than 45k miles the end result is a sludged up motor.. Plus then u gotta change the batteries, and thos things are expensive. And no, there isnt vroom vroom, i perfer the sound of my 305 V8 in my Firebird to my 143 I4 in my Grand Am. See its not going fast that gets my adrenraline pumping, its the the process, gears shifting, engine winding... or at idle, a nice lopey idle... buring tires... you just cant get that with a hybrid their like r/c cars and even have charging idicators inside em.. so E85 wins in my opinoin...
and you say ud put them against 90% of all third gens?? thos things run like 25 sec in the quarter if not slower, sure it might beat me outa the hole but watch me smoke one of them things twice, once by passing it, once more by blowin some oil in front of it (gotta love a 305 )

DENN_SHAH

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there isn't too much wrong with hybrid cars, expensive to buy, expensive when its time to replace the batteries. they seldom get the mileage they claim. but they do have advantages for some people. im not one of those people. but really, just how often do you leave a pair of black marks when you take off?

i don't think E85 is a long term answer for energy, but can easily fill in the space between oil & what ever comes next.

there are other emerging technologies out there beside E85.
what i think may be the best long term answer to oil is hydrogen.
they seem to have found a safe way to store & transport it, which safety is really its biggest draw back to me.

United Nuclear - Hydrogen Fuel Systems

how about a hybrid fuel cell car that runs off of both E85 & hydrogen?



we are not now out of oil,... we are not running out of oil anytime soon.
its just a little harder to get.
these are a little old but still good links.

About Oil Shale
Oil Shale

rx7speed

why not just call it good and use nuke power. honestly do you think one of those power rods is going to go bad in my lifetime with how little power my car would need


ok so that was kind sarcastic but it would be cool

Vader

Umm... Yeah...

I think that only works in clapped-our DeLoreans with a digital alarm clock for the engine control.

Derek The Great

Well enough to get tickets for it... bsides its knowing that i can leave black marks is what makes me happy. Hydrogen, while it seems like a nice answer for emissions and such has its problems. there are only two ways to make hyrdogen, hydrolisis (i cant spell that) and through a reformer process. hydrolisis takes a lot of power, and how do we get that power, from oil or coal which will polute the enviornment just a like our cars do, especially if this catches on.. And the reforming process produces carbon dioxide which will pollute the enviornment too... Not to mention that the fuel cell which uses hydrogen to produce electrical energy is very touchy touchy as of today and is expensive... too expensive to replace or repair. you will have to repair them if the insides get contaminated with gunk or what not...

DENN_SHAH

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i like knowing i can lay a patch of black when ever i want also
but i don't do it much,.. tires are just too expensive.

on hydrogen, in the link i posted they have a generator thats solar powered, although it doesn't produce a lot of hydrogen at this time, im sure sooner or later someone will figure out how to get more out of it.
but for now around 100~150 miles worth per week using solar isn't bad.

although this doesn't look good for the future of hydrogen.

United Nuclear - Site Stats

mjwadams

On 9/11, I watched flight 77 fly into the Pentagon. Kind of gave me a new perspective. A lot of the gas we get comes from the same people who highjacked those planes. Anything we can do to reduce our dependance on mideast oil is a good idea. I now put E-10, which is widely available in the DC area, in my Camaro. It seems to run better, a little more kick when I stomp on it.

One thing about ethanol that hasn't been mentioned here is that since it is produced from plants, which consume carbon-dioxide and produce oxygen, it should reduce the effects of global warming.

Right now, there are 2 alternative fuels to oil that will run in current cars:
1. Ethanol
2. Natural Gas/propane

Adding natural gas/propane is also easy You can also convert a car to run on both. GM used to sell pickup trucks that did. If Washington metro can convert their entire bus fleet to natural gas in one year when they cant even fix escalators, it must not be too hard.

Ironically, the only E-85 station in the DC area is right next to the Pentagon where flight 77 hit. I plan to use as much of it as my Camaro likes.

We need as many different fuel choices as we can get.

10 gallons of E-10: $29
New fuel filter at Jiffy Lube: $30
Not funding Bin Laden and his friends every time I fuel up: Priceless

1991CamaroRslow

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Amen to that one

nathan2003

mjwadams i agree with you totally hell yeah man