jamienoel

My uncle is a Ford nut and he keeps telling me this every dang time I have problems and it's driving me insane! Any snappy comebacks so I can shut him up? lol

Also, my car misses really bad, bucks and pops through the exhaust if I give it more than just a little gas. It is ESPECIALLY bad on a pull like going up a hill.

Fuel pump is a year old and I just changed the filter. Most of the Ignition system has been changed, including the distributor (with module/pickup coil), coil, wires, cap and plugs, but nothing has helped.

Could the ESC module not be advancing the timing correctly? Vacuum lines, EGR and injectors seem ok, so the ESCM is the only other thing I can think of, other than the fuel pump going bad again.

Where is the cheapest place to get an adapter to hook up a pressure gauge? Another uncle has the gauge, but I need a TBI adapter.

Thanks!

90 camaro cj

ask him how good ford is at math? the 302 really being a 4.9 that they called 5.0 for ever? or the fact that some fox body GTs have 4 lug wheels? even my dads corsica has 5 lugs.... or that wierd 7 lug for truck they had for like one year. lol

JamesC

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Speed kills. Drive a Ford, live forever.

JamesC

lunati397

f*cked over rebuilt dodge
found on road dead
the fastest fords have chevy engines in them Proof in the southeast or hell just google it
thats not even getting into the trucks LOL look at the new 2500 vs the f250 the 2500 came out and had more power and tq than ford so they reprogram their trucks and being a good tester all the diesel mags decided to retest them and well the chevy still kicked its all all around speed braking weight handleing mpg it goes on and on

look on youtube for the frame test between a 3500 and a 350

lunati397

and you can always say at least they circled the problem

gmstrong

the timing is to far advanced.All i would say is LINE EM UP!!

Dyerseve1988

fu*king on road disgrace

DiabolicalRS

well i can only think of this.
"mustangs are like tampons every ***** needs one!"

sofakingdom

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Instead of vulgar childish "sayings", ask him how many ball joints he had to change out in F-150s TODAY that came in on hooks.

88fastgta

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if you had a firebird i would say "mustangs can run but birds can fly"

affliction1

how many miles are on the engine...?might need a new timing chain,sounds like the cam may have jumped a tooth.if thats it id put a good cam in while your in there

jamienoel

I used a timing light with the spark advance wire unplugged and then cleared the computer. And of course plugged the wire back together.

I have a new chain and gears.

It has a 350 in it now that came out of a big 4x4. I changed the injectors, spark control module and the 350 knock sensor was already on the engine.

As far as how many miles the engine has on it, I have no idea, but it's not smoking or anything. I am also using the zinc/phosphorus replacement for the flat tappet cam.

I need to check the chip in the ECM and make sure it is actually for a 350. My uncle said it came out of an 89 Caprice with a 350 in it, but I'm just wondering now if it was actually a 305 and the spark control module is not advancing correctly when I try to take off or get on a pull where I need to give it more gas.

I'm going to temporarily put the 305 ESC-M back on and see what it does.

It is NOT throwing any codes, which makes me think it's either fuel related or the timing advance. It is slightly better when the engine is cold or on colder days; hot days are terrible.

I just have to barely give it gas when taking off and it's ok, but as soon as I give it a little more, the missing and popping starts. It absolutely does not miss and sounds good with just a little throttle.

MY87LT

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Found On Road Dead = Ford

jamienoel

I put the 305 spark control module back on and it improved, but is still not right.

So I guess I either need a Caprice 350 ECM chip or the 350 ESCM is bad.

I didn't get a chance to pull the computer to get the code from the chip. Hopefully it has a sticker. My old one does and it matched to a 305, but only by luck from reading about someone else talk about the numbers on the web somewhere when I did a search on them.

There does not seem to be any available cross reference on the chip codes after they are burned, although I could simply be overlooking it.

affliction1

id try pulling chip from a pick up prolly easier to find a 350 truck then a caprice,because most caprices had 305's impallas had 350's

SKELITOR117

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The biggest and badest motors out there are GM And Mopar, not ford. 502s, 572s, 672s, 392 Hemis, 440s, 600 Hemis.

affliction1

its not about cdi its how you build it,ive seen 5.0 stangs push 850rwhp,ive seen 305s 600 -800hp,theres 289s pushin serious power,none vary cost effective but nither are 500+ cdi engines

jamienoel

I tried a truck chip many years ago and the check engine light just kept flashing at me while it was running, so I would probably need the whole computer from a truck if it would plug into the existing connector/harness correctly.

It was an aftermarket performance chip for an 89 truck that I bought through JC Whitney. Big long story as to why I assumed it had a 350 in it back then, but it basically boiled down to my stepfather lying.

It plugged in fine, but I think it went right into limp home mode because of how the CEL continuously flashed. It didn't like something on that chip and that scared me because I didn't have a spare computer at the time, but once I put the original chip back in, it was ok.

Aftermarket chips cost way too much for me right now, but in a couple months or so I may be able to get one since my housing cost will go down a bit when I begin buying a house on payments cheaper than I'm renting.

Primetime91

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Wouldn't it technically be the sudden stop that gets ya?

Sorry for not contributing anything useful! Just couldn't let that one slip by...

87 player bird

Friends don't let friends drive fords?

Dougs91

With it afterfiring out of the exhaust, your timing has got to be off. Look at this way, the exhaust valve is open when the plug is firing. I would check to make sure the dist is in correctly.

88gta3508

PS
ask your uncle why FORDS are using CHEVY LS1 heads on the 351 they only need to drill the head bolt holes slightly

affliction1

i would just play with it by sound losten dis,rotate clockwise a little if it runs better.take it for a wot run and see if it pings,if so keep retarding it until till all the pinging is gone,new cam may need different timing.

jamienoel

Could this still be the case even though I timed it with a light? It improved a little after putting the 305 spark control module back on, but it did pop once today.

I did not know that. Thanks.

I'll give it a shot with the timing, but I'm too afraid to open it up to WOT. I've only done that a couple times and with a different engine. I've had too many problems and am paranoid when it comes to another engine going bad.

gwarren007

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When you timed it did you disconnect the computer (timing wire?)

affliction1

if your oil preasures good,no weire vibrations or knocks,youll be alright,if wot blows the motor it was going one way or another,only do it for a few secs,to get rpm up to like 4500 while driving,hard to do in park cant hear pinging

jamienoel

And also reset the computer when I was done.

DENN_SHAH

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[QUOTE=jamienoel;5033429]My uncle is a Ford nut and he keeps telling me this every dang time I have problems and it's driving me insane! Any snappy comebacks so I can shut him up? lolQUOTE]


this is in reference to the commercial "have you driven a ford lately" and to ford ignition switches, underhood cruise control switches, and 2008 super duty 6.4 liter diesel engine tail pipe fires.

"have you watched a ford burn lately?"
"lets have a bonfire later, i'll use the cruise control"
"i don't recall any GM ignition switches burning people to death."
"i never heard of a chevy pumping fire out the tail pipe from the factory"
"i don't need a grill to cook with, i'll just use my ford."
"drive a ford, burn the house down"

knowing how they burn, he must be a nut to own one.

darkhorse91

I have three little letters that I like to throw in all the ford, dodge, import, and euro nut's faces. LSX.... that's all that needs to be said. new hemis are garbage compared to their namesake (there's a magnum in my shop with 15,000 miles and the bottom end is trashed), ford keeps making their v8s crazier ( 3-4 valves sohcs and dohcs) but can't make more power, and gm is rocking the ohv monkey motion dinosaur and destroying them on race days. 320cfm from a truck head? VVT v8? everybody gonna hate when they cant touch and lsx from the factory.

jamienoel

Well I have somewhat of an update on this aggravating problem.

I advanced the timing and with the breather off and using my hand to test throttle response, noticed gas was leaking over the top of the left injector and down into the TB.

I put a kit in and changed the regulator and it improved a little, but is still present.

Also, advancing the timing made things horribly worse and I had to take it back down. What's up with that?

Where can I get a cheap fuel pressure gauge adapter for TBI? I really need to check that somehow and one of my uncles has a gauge.

lunati397

A "HEMI" in its name has nothing to do with an engine it was short for hemispherical combustion chamber which means the combustion chamber is spherical or half circle shaped with the plug dead center

SO every import just about every dohc engine ect can be called a HEMI then

hdis2002

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Cause you can't fix a ford...

jamienoel

SOLVED!!!!!!!!!

After lots of aggravation and extra money for all the gas it was using, I found the problem!

I tried so many things and I EVEN made my FPR adjustable, which scared the kaka out of me when the screw + cone piece popped out and fell on the floor when drilling. I thought I busted it for sure. I started out with a small bit and worked my way up one size at a time. If anyone else decides to make theirs adjustable and the whole thing pops out when drilling; don't panic! The screw does not need to be attached to anything other than the cone spring tensioner, but don't use too large of a drill bit where it reams the bottom cover hole out because a larger part of the tensoner screw needs to sit against the bottom of the cover correctly to control the cone tensioner. What I did really worked out good and the hacksaw did an excellent job on slotting the screw!

THE PROBLEM WAS WITH A BRAND NEW ACDelco SPARK PLUG!!!!!!!!

One of the new ACDelco spark plugs was DEFECTIVE!!!!! The top center electrode came all the way out and stayed in the spark plug wire when I took it off to check the gaps. I had to temporarily put an R43TS in until I could get another CR43TS. I'm amazed at how much thicker everything is on a CR and it's also just slightly hotter than the regular R.

Anyway, my RPM gauge had been flickering and now I know why. I now know something extra to check if anything like this ever happens again. Nothing hit the metal piece on the spark plug when tightening it, so it was simply defective.

It doesn't miss a lick now!!! I set the timing from 0 to 4 degrees before TDC and it seems to be doing well. It is running fine where I have the FPR adjusted, so I'm not going to mess with it unless the need arises and it's getting so much better gas mileage now with the miss gone.

I'm extremely happy and can now concentrate on painting the outside and fixing the interior. Finding the correct color with my current financial ability is proving difficult though.

That just goes to show you that even a brand new AC COMMERCIAL spark plug can be defective; I've never heard of one doing that before.

The porcelain was not cracked or anything, the top metal electrode just came out.

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Dougs91

I bet your uncle the Ford nut is not going to let you for get about that defective AC Delco 'GM' spark plug being defective and causing the problem. Glad to hear it's fixed.

ninetyone

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Ford backwards= driver returns on foot!

duf6

A friend of mine had that happen on his F150.

jamienoel

No he won't and he just did it to me again the other day when I was at another uncle's and he stopped by. My other uncle has a 99 Malibu that that cam broke on and he was having a difficult time with it and he said it again and all I could say was "yeah yeah yeah."

Last night the only thing I could come up with when he says it is: "That's because they needed him too much and he finally just gave up on them!"

I dunno... Perhaps a variation.

formulax4

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I think cars pick the owners I personally would rather drive a chevy than push a ford.

five7kid

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Me thinks this has gone on long enough.

Glad you found the problem.