primer84z

coming home from my girlfriends house, i catch a light with a black 96 97 ss camaro, really nice car. guys about 35-40. the dude driving has the windows down and ttops off (i would too) so he heres my cam and looks over and says, "hey that 350 sounds good" i said, "thanks, but its just a 305". with an astonished look on his face he says, "too bad, i heard 305s are dogs" so i just smile and say, "wanna find out?" he just laughs and says "you cant handle THIS" with a 4-5k rev through obviously a flowmaster. light goes green and he takes off pretty fast so i just hang with him. after we go over the bridge and through the slight turn theres about a mile and half of straight road. speed limit is 45 and im doin about 45-50 with me slightly infront of him. i hear him punch it, and im in 4th gear so i throw it to 3rd and drop the hammer. with the jump, he went from being his nose about at my rear bumper, to my nose being at his door, and then to my surprise, my car started slowly walking untill his nose was at my front tire. he left off at about 80 and we caught another light. i thought he would be a dick about it, but he was cool as hell. we actually sat through 2 green lights talking cars (practically deserted road). he said he was mostly stock with just basic air cleaner and muffler stuff. come to find out he has a 90 iroc that he races at some of the area tracks. and the reason for talking **** about the 305 is becuase his iroc used to be a lb9 and he said his was a dog. sorry for the long read but i was pretty excited.

vic_V8

sweet dude, this is why I'm puttin a big block in the 86, to put those 'stuck up rich' boys in there place, there are a few around here I'd like to punch and nail there GFs

330hp_91RS

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, W/ THE 305!!!!

HAHA I bet he feels dumb, good run, if you took him on the top end, with him getting the jump, your car is runnin' mean.

List the mods!! I am very curious, I run beefed 305's too!! ( one is a 310 )

Edit: woops, saw the mods, what grind is that cam, I seem to have a similiar setup, you use the L69 block ??

curt86iroc

i would have loved to see that look on his face when you told him it was a 305.

firebird305

.......I think that's cool,But i'm sure someone will be along shortly to say this story is

mtx28

nice race man.. it was a 97 if it was the older body style.. only made the SS that year for lt1's. i guess your car runs low 14's? nice, keep it up and you'll be spanking them course then you got ls1's to look forward to

TexasLT1

no 305 is going to beat an LT1 from a dead stop, and sure as hell not top end!







ok, sorry, just had to beat someone else to it actually thats badass man, like one of the other guys said what mods do you have? I know when I had a 305 it could barely get out of its own way, but with the LT1 its a friggen beast now.

91RS5spd

I make 300lbs of torque at the wheels with just the mods I have in my sig, so IMO yes a 305 can hange with an lightly moded LT1.
And im JUST a 305 TBI.

Mark A Shields

What did you have stock TQ wise, I forget, and how do you know you're pushing 300 now to the wheels?

90Iroc-Zee

305 tbi = 170hp / 245 #ft

dont tell me that a 305 cant run with LT1s...grrrrrr

i plan to layith the smackith down on them when i get my chip, i havent had any arrogant people tho, just too many people that think its a 350. nice kill man, keep it up, sounds like shes a high 13 sec car

84TransAm

Apparently this one got close. You never know on the street, there's way to many variables in place. And since when was 80 mph considered top-end?? I'd say more like 140+ would be considered top-end speed.

Mark A Shields

I'm not seeing 55 #ft of tq with the guy's above mentioned mods to make 300 rwtq.

And I don't see any 305 TBI hanging with LT1s, that is about 2 seconds they need to make up for.
headers, cat-back, cam, gears, tc, and head work or new heads.

90Iroc-Zee

this is the car that beat him

rebuilt 305, wc t5, mallory high performance hei distributor, edelbrock 600 carb, edelbrock performer RPM intake, flowtech headers, comp cams XE262, HOOKER CAT BACK,

ongoing hell hole project.

i dont know anything about the rebuild, for all we know its .50 over or sumthing. perhaps he has heads...hes got a cam. t5, intake/headers/cam would work well...i dont know.

TexasLT1

good G0D people, if you would actually read the entire post before getting all hot-headed because someone is degrading your precious 305, you would have realized it was a joke since someone else had commented about BS.

91RS5spd

Im pretty sure my stock numers were 170hp @ 275 lbs of torque at the crank. Ive done a dyno and im makeing at the wheels 175hp and 300lbs of torque. Trust me I was surprised to but those 305's are pretty torquey. Plus my 305 was brand new with about 6,000 miles so it wasn't your typical run down 305. So getting 300lbs of torque isn't some act of ***. Im not getting upset or mad im actually pleased someone thinks that my car is impressive for what it is. I sold my camaro in july and bought a 1996 TA and ill say that off the line their isn't too much differance. My camaro weighed 300lbs less so it would take off. My TA tho has endless upper end which I consider to be 4000rpm and up and would easyly kill any TBI like the one I had. So with that being said I have no reason to make up the number's of a car I no longer have. I hope people have a new respect for TBI's. Yes their slow but they'll move if you build them right and will be lots of fun too.

eatmydust

Actually the SS in the 4th gen body started in 96 and had the LT1 in 96 and 97 then in 98 the did the diff front end and had the LS1. Thats a good kill btw, bet his credit card is melting as we speak, buying mods to make sure that don't happen again.

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

i agree with mark, there is no way a stock rebuild 305tbi with exhaust, pulleys and a chip could have gained you over 120 ft lbs of torque. stock your car was 255, 305's are torque dogs. everyone knows that, hell every CHP 305 buildup mocked the amount of torque 305's make somewhere in them. 305's will run good times, but a 305TBI with free flowing exhaust and some pulleys is not gonna put 300 ft lbs of torque at the wheels. unless the engine place did something else to your motor or put a 350 in. L98's dont even put out 300 at the wheels.

330hp_91RS

I bet L98's put very close to 300 lb ft @the wheels, lightly modded, Like chip/cat-back exhaust/air filters, it would be no prob.

Where did you get that 120 # from, even at a 30 percent loss thru the drivetrain he's claiming a gain of almost 100lb ft. Stock @ the wheels at 30 percent loss is 180 lb ft. In reality the loss is usually 20 percent, stck= about 205 lb ft he claims 300 @ the wheels or about 365-370 at the crank. None of his mods really add top end but the headers, he definately increased the torque.

Not saying I think it's entirely true but maybe he ment 300 lb ft at the crank, that sounds more like it.

primer84z

thanks for the replys guys. i had to say one thing though. this guy was really a cool guy. he wasnt all stuck up acting like he was the **** or anything, he was just giving me a hard time about the 305. and i wouldnt even really call it a kill, more of a stalemate, but i did have him nosed out.

12sMustang

If it was making 175 hp at the rear wheels, that's just not enough to keep ahead of an LT1 and even pull a bit once at speed. I think the LT1 was in the wrong gear or something.

Chris

primer84z

dude im not putting 175 to the wheels. i dont have a tbi. i have a rebuilt 305 with flat top pistons and a .30 overbore. i should have aruond 285-290 hp. i should be pushing around 245-255 to the ground.

TunedPortZ

i dont know y they thought you had TBI, i knew you had a carb....

12sMustang

I'm sorry, my mistake. Sounds about right to me...

Chris

90Iroc-Zee

wait first off 175hp at the rear wasnt stock #s, thats at the fly for TBI hehehe

but hes not neway good job i got y0 back. how much hp did the LT1s have with the SS and WS6?

vortecss

All I have to say is yeah right!


A 96-97 SS will run 13's you didn't beat it!

quickL98

iTrader: (2)

i've seen a slightly modded 91Z tpi305 5spd run 13.50. and he would beat a few 4th gens from time to time. nothing is impossible these days, and as stated previuosly thats street racing,

primer84z

to who ever asked, the 97 lt1 put 285 at the fly and the ram air is supposed to have 305 at the fly.

Ray87Z

Stock LT1s usually only dyno around 240-250ish rwhp on average. The LT1 just isn't all that, now the LS1 with 300+rwhp stock is a different story. I don't doubt it went down as stated. I beat a few LT1s with my old 86 IROC with a mildly modded 305 (an auto to boot). Especially if you run into a auto LT1 you have a good shot with a decent 305.