I was coming home from working out and I was stopped at a light and it turned green and I just took off regular. Then this newer yellow (I hate yellow) Mustang GT came to the left of me and he had a front windshield banner that said "Horsing Around". I was tired and wasn't gonna race but I couldn't help testing it out. He came up to by door and hit the gas and I heard his exhaust, so I put it in 3rd gear and floored it. Of course he got a quick jump on me, but after about a second I put 2 cars on him then let off cause I already caught up to the people in front of me. He let off too, but did a ***** fly by. Nice race though. I guess we did some Horsing Around

Nice kill, he should have known not to mess with an F Body.

kiddin stang guys.

You seem excited you beat a SOHC GT. With the mods you have I should hope you beat him. Good kill anyways, GTs stuck (sohc version)

awesome kill. Gotta love showing the competition up.

I'm not that excited, just felt good to get a kill. This was a N/A race of course, can't wait to get a remote bottle opener!!

Hey if the guy in the stang wants to race, it's his fault. He should choose his oponents more wisely! And I wouldn't consider his mods alot!

I know Monkey, I don't have alot of mods. The only mods I can really feel on the street are the headers and K&N FIPK. I know that Mustang had an exhaust and maybe a few more bolt-ons, but nothing major. Still a good race.

maybe someday he will be lucky enough to own a heavily modded 13.5 second car...

You sure he wasn't Monkeying Around

Maybe there was a Monkey driving it, when it ran 13.5!!!

The new GT's are not that slow. Guy at my track ran a 13.37@103.2 with just 70mm TB,MAC Prochamber, MAC catback,cold air,3.90's and MT E/T Streets. This is on a full weight car. I've only raced a few...one was a GT vert 5spd and an auto coupe..beat them both.

That seems slow, because my dads 1991 LX with near identical mods went 13.31, and he doesn't have the Tbody or CAI!!!

I would think that after all these years they could have improved the car enough to be going that fast stock!

And your dad's LX probably weighs 500 lbs less and has some suspension work to it...

I agree. I own a 96 SOHC GT, and I know damn well its not the fastest thing out there, as well as who I'm for competition and who I'm not. And a STOCK LT1 car is easily outa my league let alone modded, especially since I'm 100% stock and gonna stay that way till its paid for. But you know what, compared to my TBI 305 and auto and 136,000 miles on it, the 4.6/5 speed hauls bigtime ballz I like it and really enjoy driving it, thats what matters right now. Had it 5 weeks and never been challenged to a race, its weird.

His 2000GT is loaded with options, has 17" rims in front with 16" rims in back with ET Streets. ALL stock suspension and full interior. I really don't see many 5.0 GT's running that fast those mods. Mine with slicks would be a 13.5 maybe. But he doesn't even have headers OR pulleys. He is running no short belt either. All accesories intact.

My dads car does have weight removed, but has a full interior, with the back seat, and had before the last race, 16" ponys up front when he went 13.31, and 15" Turbines out back! Oh ya not to mention the 45 less hp, but that is my point, the newer GTs didn't seem to improve that much. If you look at the difference b/w an L98 and an LS1, it isn't even close, but if you look at a 5.0 and 4.6, it is! Just my opinion, but Ford could have done better, and that is why I think I'm buying an LS1 soon, and not a newer Mustang even though they are cheaper!

Smart man I paid $22k for my firehawk which was a steal IMO and a new GT would have been roughly the same price. But I also have almost 100 more HP and a meaner looking(imo) much better handling ride. But i've seen 98 z28's as low as $13.5k with 45k-50k miles on them. And you're totally right about the 5.0 and 4.6. I've seen my friend's mildly modded 91 notchback(full exhaust,3.55's,CAI and a couple other small things.) Run circles around SN95 stangs whether they're the 5.0's or 4.6's and alot of them had similar mods to his or more mods than him.

Stock for stock and bolt-on for bolt-on, the 99+ GT's are faster than the 5.0's, even with the extra 500 lbs. There's no getting around that fact.

tell me if this makes sense: how can a car with almost 100 more RWHP than mine be beaten by me in the quarter mile?

TPI, I meant the LS1 Camaro vs the L98 Camaro, the difference b/w those two is much greater than the difference b/w a 5.0 Mustang and a 4.6 Mustang! All I am saying is that similarly modded 5.0s and 4.6s are much closer than similarly modded L98s and LS1s. Basically GM has improved much more over the years as far as performance than Ford!

Nic I know 4.6s are faster, but not by too much. In our Factory stock class, the 5.0s dominate and the fastest 4.6 goes 13.6 while the fastest 5.0 goes 12.3! The new GTs with exhaust, gears and tires are running what I am running, high 13s!

oh, ok. i thought you were trying to say that L98s and LS1s are worlds apart when it comes to performance. on paper (dynos), ill agree with that statement. but on the track its a different story

Yeah, its always different at the track because your timeslip depends on so many things. But when pro's are driving there is a big difference between the L98's and LS1's, almost a second. The 91-92 are the fastest L98's and they run 14.0-14.2, but LS1's are running 13.1-13.3. Of course the Corvette L98's run a little better with alum. heads and less weight.

My friend ran a 13.26@108 with his stock 2002 Z28. Thats moving. Thats with stock fiter and all...he did cut out bottom of airbox but thats not enough of a gain to say so. He had a 2.2X 60ft too! With better tires than the stock 245/50 Good Years...easy 12.9 . But my friends 2000SS has quite a few mods and is runnign the same times...I guess that LS6 intake was a better gain than they say!

This is my point. Look at the difference b/w a 10 year old Camaro and a new one, and then the difference b/w a 10 year old Mustang and a new one! GM has made many more performance upgrades, and has improved much more in 10 years, that was all I was saying!

So what are we comparing? an '01 Cobra to a '91 5 speed coupe? There's about a second difference in those...

I'm not too impressed with the new GTs. And I agree with the other posters. The mustang should be alot faster than what it is.

Of course, I think the '03 Cobra makes up for all that. Cant beat the bang for the buck. 12.88 for $35k

No, look at a 1991 Mustang. Stock it will run on average 14.5. A new GT stock will run on average 14.0. That is a .5 difference.

Look at a 1991 350, stock it will run on average 14.5. A new Z28 will on average run a 13.5. That is a 1 second difference.

It just seems that GM has improved more in the 1/4 than Ford has!

compare a 97 SS to a 97 Cobra. Compare a 03 Cobra to a 02 SS and see who has done better. The GT is no longer Mustangs power house.

yeah everyone knows the 99 cobra is the fastest car out there. i mean hell, gears, intake, exhaust and you can run mid 13's. damn thats fast...

Did I say anything about the 99 Cobra? Infact if you want to get into that a 99 (with the fix) and a 01 Cobra with nothing but gears can hang with a stock LS1. But then again we all know the LS1s run high 12s right out of the box Like I was saying before some retard HAD TO come in and make a immature and stupid post, the GT is no longer the power house of the Mustangs. You have the new Mach 1, Cobra, Saleen, Roush 3, and the Boss to soon come back. I think the GT now is just for your average guy that wants a Mustang that can get from point A to point B with no problems.

Actually lets compare the Z28 to the GT for ONCE! The Z28 will wipe the floor with a GT, and the Cobra (besides 2003) will also get beat badly! The only car to compete recently has been the 2003 Cobra, and it is a great car, but GM has been going mid to low 13s for nealy 4 years! And lets see, you have one year (1997) where the Ford was faster, but before and after, for EVERY year the 4.6 has been around it has been slower! And if I have to special order a supercharged Saleen or Roush to run with some guy who bought a used 1999 SS, than Ford has a little work ahead of them!

And remember I started comparing older Ford vs Newer Ford, and older GM vs newer GM, Monkie came in with lets compare Ford vs Chevy, and he only came up with ONE year of the 4.6 where Ford stood a chance!

I don't think Ford's main concern is how fast their cars can get down the 1/4 mile. The 99+ GT's are superior to the 5.0's in every way, shape, and form and there's no getting around that fact.

so why is yours so damn slow?

I know they are faster, they are newer with better technology, I am just saying that they are not that much faster!

lmao unknown_host!

They do, you just said it, the SS run's high 12's out of the box!

More SS do than any 99, or 01 Cobra, and that is a fact!

LMAO 13.1 slow? And backing that up with a 125 shot and sitting 20 feet from me is a ATI Procharger? Yes, let me tell you I'm slow as piss. :sillylol:

then please by all means tell me why I have yet to see a stock one hit low 13's to high 12's. Not saying it hasn't happened cause I know that GM is known to make freak cars but the best LS1's can pull around here is a 13.1 on ET slicks. And believe me last time I was at the track there was many LS1's. I'm not gonna sit here and bench race with you guys over a car that I don't even own. We know that they are capable of 12.9. I get sick of you guys making me out to be after your asses. I would race any of you, lose or not. Cobra Killer, I hope he can break 12's, that would be awsome. Just sucks for me that I can't on street tires, off the bottle, and N/A. Put some Nittos on my car and I should be making 12.7s (atleast to the ET Estimator)

i saw the post where you ran a 13.5 with gears, intake and exhaust so dont bs me. you talked so much **** about how fast your car was and how you took all these fast cars in street races, and yet your car runs a 13.5??? i think you are either a troll or a spoiled little rich boy who needs to learn how to drive his "fast" cobra.

It is not even relevant comparing times from one track to another really. A stock LS1 may be able to run a 12.9 but I've never seen it happen and many don't. I know the only one I've seen(in a mag) is Evan Smith running it in one at E-Town..one of THE fastest tracks. It is sticky as hell and the elevation is less than 100 above sea level...almost perfect conditions. He also ran in the mid 13's with a stock 88LX with just free mods and gears on stock tires...not the norm. My track is fast and the best I've seen is a 13.26 with my friends stock 2002 Z28...not an SS. The SS is not that much quicker if any really since they weigh more. My friend's has no power options at all..crank windows and all. Just has T-tops,A/C and chrome stock 16's...that's it. I think the cars are capable but most of the drivers are not. My car is faster than 75% of the ones at my track with same mods. It weighs only 100lbs less than my other buddies fully loaded 2000 SS!! I have all options and haven't even ran a short belt before. I run it just as it is on the street.

umm..that kinda doesnt make sense. Considering one is an 03 new model, and the f-body isnt made anymore.

BTW, if you think LS1s cant hit high 12s out of the box you're nuts. They are for a fact at the worst...mid 13 second cars.

99 cobras sucked. Factory recall king.

Monkie finally posted timeslips...?? Last I heard, there was debate over which of his and his family's cars even existed...? Not trying to start stuff, just curious, I've missed out on the soap opera recently...

Well according to a couple g-tech runs last week i hit a 12.9@110(mph is messed up cause of the g-tech). But i'm hoping to install a driveshaft loop and fix my u-joint and head to the track and get it on paper either next week or the week after. And honestly the 13.1 you ran monkie isn't bad. You are launching a manual IRS car which definitly isn't easy. And as far as putting ET slicks on a LS1 car. yikes..i wouldn't try it on my car stock. Too many people leave their rear ends behind easily. Yes the LS1 motor is great but the 10 bolt rear end that is virtually the same as the ones in the thirdgens doesn't like 340-350 HP being pushed through it like that. I don't plan on doing many more power mods to my car before i invest in a 12 bolt most likely. And as far as the chevy vs chevy and ford vs ford. Ford is alot better IMO cause atleast they still have their pony car around. And keep making it better. Where's our muscle car? gone..sad if you ask me. But what brian said is right. There is alot bigger difference between the L98's and LS1's than the 5.0 and 4.6 . But as Nic said the 4.6 especially the DOHC motor is far superior to the OHV 5.0 . But if i was building a mustang it would be a 5.0 LX it's cheaper.

uh huh...

I'll concede that point when you show me a new GT running 11s with an N/A SOHC 4.6...

If you think that is impossible you don't know what you are talking about.

Sure, let's port the heads and put some money into a couple cams. A 5.0 isn't going to run 11's n/a on the stock untouched heads or cam you know

Your right, but it will run 9s N/A. Obviousely the block isn't going to handle that much, but N/A they are more powerful! Look at Factory Stock! It is dominated by Justin Burcham, and Robin Lawrence. I know a few guys who are close with them, and those cars with GT-40s and Cobra intakes are putting down 340 rwhp! I know there is more than just bolt-ons but still, for a 10 year old design (1993 Cobra parts) and heads that aren't made anymore, they run much harder than a SOHC GT! I will not buy a new 4.6 for a long time, until they impress me, and I have yet to see an impressive one, besides Bob Cosbys car.

And Monkie, 13.1 isn't bad, but then again, NOT impressive at all. Until you are running 10s with the juice and much lower with the blower and juice, I won't be impressed.!

Hmm...with 11:1 310 cubic inch motors with competition valve jobs, lightweight pistons, pro-shifted transmissions, and all the other goodies that nobody wants to talk about.