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Old 01-24-2004, 10:03 PM
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RS vs 96-98 Cobra, Was this a kill?

I seldom post kills as most are generic in the 99 T/A but the following happened in my daily beater/driver an Arctic White 91 RS.

One morning this week while waiting on a red light to change a 96-98 Cobra rolled up beside of my 91 RS. I didn't pay the Cobra much attention as I was on the verge of being late for work. Soon as the light changes we both go. I floored the RS right of the light and pulled about a car length on the Cobra. It's down hill off the light for aways & I think this helped my heavier RS. I could hear the Cobra reving high coming on strong at the top of 1st he pulled 1/2 a car length on me. When he shifted it was like 1001, 1002 and the Cobra lost about about a 1 1/2 car length. My RS being an A4 stayed floored the whole time. Samething happed at the top of 2nd then again at the top of the 3rd. He pull by by 1/2 to 1 car lenght and with his painfully slow shifting loose lead and fall back 1/2 to 1 car lenght. When he shifted to 4th and fell back I slipped in a hole between two slow cars which closed before he could follow and put RS away for good on the top end.

With the RS having 261,xxx miles on the orginal 305 & A4, it would be nice to claim a Cobra kill before the LS1 & A4 swap. I know the Cobra was a much faster car than mine but the Cobra driver was horrible with a stick.

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Not to sound mean but that was more than driver error... that could would have raped yours in each gear. He would have walked past you easily in 2nd (those cars weigh 3300-3400 empty). Must have been short shifting hottibly, and shifting like an old lady!

Nice kill still... but definately something with his car and the driver!
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He probably had a v6 with cobra badges or it was just a gt with cobra badges.
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Good kill. But like elevario said it might have been a Gt with cobra stuff. Mustang guys have been doing before the honda guys with their type r stickers. No matter how hard they try though the sohc 4.6 doesnt sound nearly as good as the dohc 4.6.
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Yes, driver error was the major story here Cobra/GT etc.

Very possible it was a GT w/Cobra badges, I know there are several fake Cobra's in the area.

Saw a fade blue "Cobra" at Home Depot a few weeks back. Had a high starch wing, v6 wheels, car was an auto, but had all the Cobra & SVT badges on it.
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Not to be an ***, but that's sort of a move i pull on slower cars all the time.

If i get a car i know is slow next to me wanting to race. I'll baby it out and stay even with them and then roll on it and gain 1 carlenght on it. Then i'll shift to 2nd but take my merry time. By the time i actually complete the shift (at a lower RPM than ideal too btw) i will now be a carlenght behind the speedy little honda. Then i'll roll on the gas easily again and close in and pass the car again and then as soon as i get 1 carlenght ahead, i'll do the same thing and make a lazy shift making sure i lose a little and end up behind the guy. Then i'll get in third and come up again easily. Then i'll either nail it right there and take off or do it one more time into OD.

Maybe he was doing that, maybe he couldn't drive who knows
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one of my best firends has a 98 cobra granted we did lots of work to it but i can tell u this even bone stock that car would kill u or any stock third gen even mildly moded 350 tpi cars
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You can chalk it up to driver error if you wish...

LOL at the Ford guys - "he should have walked you", "he wasn't really racing" How about, he just couldn't drive, and leave it at that!

But in my book a kill is a kill, and since you were in front when the race ended, that qualifies as a kill
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Originally posted by Marc 85Z28
You can chalk it up to driver error if you wish...

LOL at the Ford guys - "he should have walked you", "he wasn't really racing" How about, he just couldn't drive, and leave it at that!

But in my book a kill is a kill, and since you were in front when the race ended, that qualifies as a kill
Because bad driver or not a 1998 Cobra would RAPE the hell out of a TBI car. He could have gone from 1st to 3rd and still walked him...

My car on street tires is slightly faster than a stock 1998 Cobra, and guess what I wouldnt even waste gas on that car. Bad driver, maybe, but he would really have had to SUCK to lose that race!
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1998 Cobra's were a recall if you all remember. It didn't really make as much horse as it was supopsed to. More like a GT power range. A 98 Cobra only hit mid 14's so I don't see anything all that great about it. The New GT's can beat them so you know.
Good kill. No matter what.
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Originally posted by ThirdGenFire
1998 Cobra's were a recall if you all remember. It didn't really make as much horse as it was supopsed to. More like a GT power range. A 98 Cobra only hit mid 14's so I don't see anything all that great about it. The New GT's can beat them so you know.
Good kill. No matter what.
Ok get your info right...

If you DONT KNOW... DONT POST...

It was 1999 they had the recall, because of an exhaust and intake issue... not 1998, 1998s made the right hp...

They had the advertised 305 hp and were typically in the 13s all day long. Slightly faster than new GTs...

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A KILL's a KILL!

A kill's a Kill. Sounds like somebody had more car than they could handle. The bottom line is that one car and driver beat another car and driver.

Smoke a cigar and enjoy! You smoked a cobra and that's that.

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Re: A KILL's a KILL!

Originally posted by Speedgraphic
A kill's a Kill. Sounds like somebody had more car than they could handle. The bottom line is that one car and driver beat another car and driver.

Smoke a cigar and enjoy! You smoked a cobra and that's that.

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Yes... similar to when I beat the Vette... something was up there too!
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Wowhooo someone is feeling hostile today, putting the big ol'e letters on me, lol.
Sorry if I missed the "targeted" year there 25thMustang, no need to pissed. Go get some calm pills and post in the morning ok. Relax and breath.
Anyway....good kill there bud. Don't worry he sucked at shifting and driving altogether, so his loss your gain right?
Whats been done to the RS by the way? Happy hunting
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To me, it wasn't a kill. That only happens if you know a race is on. If you don't know if he was racing you, then he was probably playing with you.

If it had been a race and he shifted like that, I'm sure he still would have been ahead of you. They are high 13-low 14 second cars new. So figure mid 15s shifting badly. Yours was a mid-high 16 second car when new. Probably a little slower with the miles you have on it...
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Originally posted by ThirdGenFire
Wowhooo someone is feeling hostile today, putting the big ol'e letters on me, lol.
Sorry if I missed the "targeted" year there 25thMustang, no need to pissed. Go get some calm pills and post in the morning ok. Relax and breath.
Anyway....good kill there bud. Don't worry he sucked at shifting and driving altogether, so his loss your gain right?
Whats been done to the RS by the way? Happy hunting
No its just misinformed people such as yourself that spred rumors that 1998 Cobras were low on power...

I stand by my statement, if you Dont Know, DONT post, and most of you guys dont know when it comes to Mustangs, thats why I am here, or you would think 1998 Cobras were recalled.

As far as being calm, this is the internet, not quite what goes on in the real world, seems lately whenever someone gets mad on the net they jump on someones personal life... maturity level has skyrocketed!
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Originally posted by 25thmustang
... if you Dont Know, DONT post, and most of you guys dont know when it comes to Mustangs, thats why I am here, or you would think 1998 Cobras were recalled.
If you want to know the truth (My Opinion of course...) Most of us really don't give a flying rats behind about a Mustang.

That's not attacking you, and that statement was a generalization, but I believe that if the people on this site liked furds then they would own them. I've NEVER liked the Mustang. It has always representated a poor execution of a "great idea."

Thanks for keeping us straight. Don't get all huffy that we don't know something that we really don't care about.
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Originally posted by Speedgraphic
If you want to know the truth (My Opinion of course...) Most of us really don't give a flying rats behind about a Mustang.

That's not attacking you, and that statement was a generalization, but I believe that if the people on this site liked furds then they would own them. I've NEVER liked the Mustang. It has always representated a poor execution of a "great idea."

Thanks for keeping us straight. Don't get all huffy that we don't know something that we really don't care about.
You own a TBI of course you dont like Mustangs... your stuck running 15s and 16s yet the 5.0 was a poor execution of a good idea, give me a break.

And if you uninfromed people wouldnt post RETARDED things like recalls on 1998 Mustang Cobras, I wouldnt have to post this. Do a little research. Maybe it's for your benefit us Mustang owners are here, or you would think a bolt on Mustang runs 14s, and 1998 Cobras were recalled for not making their specified power.
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must have been that stupid ford shifter that dont shift for ****
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must have been that stupid ford shifter that dont shift for ****
Guy probably should have been driving an auto... anyone running that bad with a 4v Cobra is sad, and might be a lost cause.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 25thmustang
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And if you uninfromed people wouldnt post RETARDED things...

Originally posted by 25thmustang

...seems lately whenever someone gets mad on the net they jump on someones personal life... maturity level has skyrocketed!

OK I'm rolling my eyes! AND I'm LAUGHING AT YOU! Who's showing maturity now. All you had to do was point out that the person who posted above was mistaken and correct him. You did not have to accuse him of being an ignorant savage or whatever your mature wording for that was...

I am not attacking you but merely pointing out that in the same post and your subsequent post you resort to the personal attacks you lament in the first. Grow up. Act mature. If you have information to share - please do so. You don't have to attack your fellow posters.

Maybe it's that inferiority complex because you own a FURD?

(Now was that an immature attack?)
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Originally posted by Speedgraphic
OK I'm rolling my eyes! AND I'm LAUGHING AT YOU! Who's showing maturity now. All you had to do was point out that the person who posted above was mistaken and correct him. You did not have to accuse him of being an ignorant savage or whatever your mature wording for that was...

I am not attacking you but merely pointing out that in the same post and your subsequent post you resort to the personal attacks you lament in the first. Grow up. Act mature. If you have information to share - please do so. You don't have to attack your fellow posters.

Maybe it's that inferiority complex because you own a FURD?

(Now was that an immature attack?)
Man good thing Im here... you keep listening to what some thirdgen owners rattle off as facts, you will be thinking Cobras run 15s and GTs are in the 17s...

I cant act mature on this site... acting mature gets you know ehere, you guys (some not all) have no clue and the only way to get you to shut up when you dont know is to gte down to your levels...

Shouldnt have to point out him being wrong, he shouldnt have posted, he didnt know...
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Dang, man cool off. Your anger is preventing you from being able to spell.

Just cuz we don't care about your car is no reason to get so frustrated that you can't type...
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Originally posted by Speedgraphic
Dang, man cool off. Your anger is preventing you from being able to spell.

Just cuz we don't care about your car is no reason to get so frustrated that you can't type...
I cant spell, and then you use the word cuz...

Anger, hahha how can I be angry? I dont care if you care anything about my car, for me knowing I would outrun most members on this board with a few bolt ons is enough to keep me happy everytime I visit. Lets me see which car from the late 80s and early 90s owns the streets...

Keep your 16 second TBI (hey you might hang with my Jeep if I forget to tune it up) and let me keep my low 13 second Mustang, lifes good from my end of the deal!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA, see you at the end of the track.
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Man you're really showing your age. Attack a guys car and what he drives. Real mature. (Hey look at you and your slow car and me and my fast one! ) Contrary to what you believe, some people on this website do know a little something about Mustangs. And yes they are really fast for VERY cheap. We got my friends 87 Gt into the low 14's here in Tucson for 500 dollars. That's used 3.73 gears, used longtubes and flows, and D/R's. That beats just about all stock Lt1's here. We're at 3500 ft elevation. Not bad for a car with 165,000 miles and only cost 1000 dollars! Point is you're on a camaro website. What the he!! do you expect people to know? Out of all the mustang guys here, you certainly won the most not welcome award. What happened to Nic? At least he was a cool guy who didn't turn every post into a Mustang being better then the camaro post.
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Ok Ok man people. Everyone relax. I admitted to my mistake. When I said it I said it as a comment not a attack. If you would like to know I have many friends down here in Got HP racing, with plenty of them in MM&FF mag this month. I am dropping this. I am way to old for this crap. LoL although I do find it very funny. Laters all.
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I had anticipated trading a few barbs with you this evening. Unfortunatly that was not possible. About the time I got home from work I got a 911 page from my GF's Roommate. She had walked in on GF in the middle of a Grand Mal Seizure and they were headed to the hospital. She is having to spend the night there and I just got home. Somehow all this pettiness seems a bit ridiculous now.

Actually, that was what I was trying to make you realize earlier. It is ridiculous to expect guys on a third gen GM board to even care about the history/details of a mustang. What is even more rediculous is for you to post in an abusive manner rather than to inform when something that has been stated as fact is wrong.

As far as seeing you at the end of the track - If I wanted a drag car do you suppose that I would have something other than a Convertible? They don't generally handle high torque that well. My car is set up to have fun on twisty turning roads with the top down and the GF riding shotgun. In all probabability your thirteen second nag could not hang under those conditions.

In the south it is possible to say almost anything about anyone as long as you append the phrase "Bless his heart." Since I have am not going to stoop to your level of attacks and name calling I will skip all of that and simply say

Ford Owner - Bless your heart!

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Hey sorry about your GF, and that has nothing to do with this... I am not cold and heartless, I really am sorry...

but when someone posts information that is completely wrong it spreads like wildfire. Then next thing you know I am reading about this info on other sites, and people actually think it to be true. I see so much of it on this site, sometimes it boggles my mind, where these people hear these things (obviousely the misinformation starts somewhere).

As far as racing on a road course... been there, done that, took out a Vette in the process ().
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It's obvious that camaro/firebird owners don't like the mustangs very much, I can see that. But personally, it's not the car that I don't like, it's the drivers. I'm not directing this at you, 25th, because I don't know you, but every stang driver around here thinks they can just bolt on a flowmaster cat-back and run with the LS1's. that is why I don't like mustangs. Just remember, this is my own personal opinion, so don't go assuming that every member of 3rdgen thinks like me. Attack me with your rebuttals if you want, but I haven't changed my opinions for anyone before, and I don't plan to.

What I don't understand, is why you camaro/firebird owners are siding with the cobra in the race.Who cares? His Stock RS got in front of a cobra, whether it was a fluke or not, it still makes us look good to whoever may have been watching the "race". I think everyone needs to relax and...oh yeah, lets not let stangs into this forum. What would a mustang driver be doing here anyways? This is not 3rdStang.org.
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25thmustang: I'll agree on the 96-98 Cobras running well, and having no trouble hitting high 13s at just over 100 decently driven. But you do need to calm down a little. The guy was mistaken: correct him at leave it at that. I'm sure you've never been wrong in the past

I didn't like Mustangs much back when I was stock, but now that the tables have turned, I like them a lot

Did anyone not read the 1001, 1002 part of the guys story? That sounds like a good amount of time between shifts to me. High 13 second car, with 2 or 3 shifts that each take several seconds to long = 16 or 17 second car or worse.

Would you rather he stated he beat the driver in the Cobra, rather than just he beat a Cobra Get a clue...
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O.K. so here is the question, this is a "Third gen site" right? menaing a G.M. site? so whats up with the holy ford guy talking **** about everyones thirdgens, and especailly a T.B.I. third gen? Mustangs may be quick, but I think they allways have looked the bes in my rear view mirror. If you dont like people tlaking trash about your beloved Rustangs, find the door and see your way out of it! and F.Y.I. you run a what does it say a 13.0? that dosent make you that fast, this isnt a number fight, but you have to realize you arent ***, neither is ford! its a g.m. site, get with the program, or get out! oh and by the way...... G.M. still rocks!






Edit: I just saw the part about you taking a Vette in a road corse, did you have a pig with wings in your car? cus thats the only way that would have ever happened. Everyone knows that a vette , and a F-body will out handle a mustang every day of the week!

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boy, i think this thread has had it

does anyone still care about this arguement?
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O.K. so here is the question, this is a "Third gen site" right? menaing a G.M. site? so whats up with the holy ford guy talking **** about everyones thirdgens, and especailly a T.B.I. third gen? Mustangs may be quick, but I think they allways have looked the bes in my rear view mirror. If you dont like people tlaking trash about your beloved Rustangs, find the door and see your way out of it! and F.Y.I. you run a what does it say a 13.0? that dosent make you that fast, this isnt a number fight, but you have to realize you arent ***, neither is ford! its a g.m. site, get with the program, or get out! oh and by the way...... G.M. still rocks!

Edit: I just saw the part about you taking a Vette in a road corse, did you have a pig with wings in your car? cus thats the only way that would have ever happened. Everyone knows that a vette , and a F-body will out handle a mustang every day of the week!
I gotta agree. It's all well and good to like your car, but it's not good to start talking poorly about the cars for which the site was named. I'd advise some of you to calm down.
Old 01-28-2004, 08:38 PM
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Nope took the Vette straight up, couldnt walk me in the corners, and in the straight away, wasnt much fun for him...

Ill be the first to agree Mustangs suck in th corners, thats why I stick to Drag Racing (what they accel at) but I cant deny the fact that I took out this Vette pretty easily. And before you jump in and judge it was a 1979 Vette with an auto, see... still a vette, still got beat by a Mustang with no sway bar!

And dont worry about me, for those it doesnt affect dont jump in on it!
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Nope took the Vette straight up, couldnt walk me in the corners, and in the straight away, wasnt much fun for him...
:hail: VETTE KILLA!!:hail:





25thmustang: Ive seen you on this site quite a bit over the past months, Ive been visiting this site everyday since I registered. I just dont post much. You have never upset me with any of your posts, and your welcome here in my eyes. However, in this thread it seems that you are trying to prove something. What is it? You have a nice car and it is respectable being that its pretty much a bolt on car. But still the bottom line is, dont expect people to leave the "GM is ***, Ford SUCKS!" comments to their ignorant @$$ selves. Thats just the nature of the beast. I may have some respect for your car, but Im not everyone else. Ignorance runs rampid on all discussion forums, its not a new thing.

Granted, not everyone is completely informed on every subject, so I agree that if they dont have their facts straight they shouldnt post. Thats whats called misinformation!! Its bad in every way.

INWO, wtf? I cant believe you havent locked this thread yet!
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