MoroteZ28

last night i was out looking for a race and i get to a light and i hear from behind me a ***** soundin exhaust so im thinking alright time to smoke a ***** and up comes a blue wrx sti and i was thinking ah man im done the guy was throwin little revs so i looking over i knew he wanted to go at it so at the light i floored it and got him out the hole to my surprise and i had bout a car or 2 on him from mid 2nd gear and then he just ate me up n put llike 3-4 more cars ahead of me . how much power do those sti's put out?

82knightrider

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Ah man,that sucks you got smoked
Those sti do haul A$* though

Inwo

300hp 300tq stock, if he had any mods then who knows how much he was putting out.

Orr89RocZ

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he obviously didnt launch it cuz STI's can pull some great 60 foots. most rwd cars on street tires cant match them out of the hole

TRAXION

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leeperryracing

go up against an STI in a stock thirdgen and you will create a mess for yourself!

stu

Third Gen with less than $1,000 vs Stock STi = SERVED.

82knightrider

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A stock sti vs a stock turbo trans am=owned

stu

I don't know anything about the turbo trans ams, you'll have to tell me more. The only one I can think of is a heap of crap that wouldn't move out of it's own way. I think I'm thinking of an older one though.

82knightrider

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I dont know anything about the turbo trans ams either.I just said that cuz I was gettin sad of our third gens losing to the wrx dudes.But maybe a tta would give a sti a run for its money.
TTA experts,chime in........

PhAnToMs

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well they haul *** like low to flat 13's stock theres no real advantage with a tpi in any aspect they haul off the line since awd so you would think a uptop race would be best but then you got a tpi and your screwed also

but your modded out the *** it seems with carb so who knows
got any numbers?

stu

To my limited knowledge I'd say 'no,' but I don't know. Now if it was a GNX, that's differnt.

TragicPark

TTAs were freaking fast. Talking 13.5 second cars stock. That's LS1 territory. And with a few mods you've easily got a 12 second car.

The car was rated by GM with 250 bhp @ 4400 rpm and 340 btq at 2800 rpm. In reality the 1989 TTA produced 301 hp on the GM dyno but was underrated because of one of GMs unwritten rules stating that no passenger car will have higher horsepower ratings then that years corvette. The 1989 corvette was rated at 255 bhp.

1989 TTAs were slightly modified from the 3.8 liter motor in the 86-87 GN. These changes being adapted from the transverse FWD version of the 3.8 liter and have the added benefit of improved exhaust flow and combustion chamber design. They did this because the heads from the GN would not fit between the strut towers of the TTA. The TTA also has a cross-drilled crank for extra lubrication during "stressed performance," a larger 12 fin/inch GNX style intercooler in place of the GNs 10 fin/inch intercooler, and specially designed stainless-steel headers, higher Bosch 327 fuel pressure regulator, and a recalibrated engine control module.

The 2003 WRX STi ran about the same if not a little better. So for a car about 14-15 years older it sure can keep pace with these newer vehicles.

~Roger
*sourced from: http://www.89tta.com/ttahist.htm

pvt num 11

Glad to hear it, so I don't get embarrassed in my new toy. I plan on doing subtle mods that are pertty much invisible to the naked eye. The previous owner ran 13.8 STOCK, and 13.2 with just a chip. I have the chip, but it's not installed.

In other words, almost two whole seconds faster then my '88 GTA.

tpivette89

this myth again?

FYI, the highest Vette hp rating in 89' was 245. thats right, LOWER than the rated output of the TTA

this isnt the first time that has happened. in 86' & 87' Buick played some advertised hp games with Chevy... in 86, the Vette was rated at 230 while the GN had 235. the Vette got upped to 240 for 87', but Buick upped their count as well to 245

no car can be rated higher than the Vette

fly89gta

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You're thinking of the '80 which was a steaming pile of ****

The 89 however was ***'s first work before he created the LS1

WTF? Can't say G O D? How ****ing politically correct is that?

82knightrider

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Just say LORD then

fly89gta

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That works

TragicPark

this myth again?

FYI, the highest Vette hp rating in 89' was 245. thats right, LOWER than the rated output of the TTA

this isnt the first time that has happened. in 86' & 87' Buick played some advertised hp games with Chevy... in 86, the Vette was rated at 230 while the GN had 235. the Vette got upped to 240 for 87', but Buick upped their count as well to 245

no car can be rated higher than the Vette


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Not surprising. GM thinks very highly of the corvette. the 80-81 turbo trans am sucked. It really wasn't even fast for the time it was made in. Oh well.

88 350 tpi formula

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ha ha it's not the vette that they base the hp limit on they like to keep it a little lower than the vette for the "vette" status but, they actually have hp ratings that they don't want to go over. remember the old Trans Am? (I think it was the 455 SD?) well.... they put throttle stops to keep the hp down since it would have broke the hp limit that gm had on cars.... people would leave the lot and unbolt it

paul_huryk

Maybe a stock STI might take a dead stock TTA, but no way in hell a mildly moded one would even have a chance - it would cost maybe $1,000 to put a TTA in the the low 12's.

Marc 85Z28

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Unless you can provide a better reason for why the TTAs, GNs, SyTy's, non Y-body LS1's etc were severely underrated by GM, this "myth" will continue.

tpivette89

i dont know why GM underrates its engines. however, the "myth" is that no GM car can have a higher hp rating than the Vette of the same year. i proved this wrong with several examples

freestylzz

Lately I don't think anyone at GM really knows what they're doing. I mean, I used to have a friend working on the assembly lines and the idea was, "if it don't fit, hammer it into place". So what's the big deal about fudging some hp ratings

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urbanhunter44

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I'd have to agree with the myth surrounding the vette hp ratings. GM underrated sooooo many cars that it's rediculous. The vette has not always been the fastest car, not by a long shot.

stu

Yep, the Cadillac Alante was faster one year wasn't it?

tpivette89

even after i gave THREE examples of this "myth" being false?

Charged350

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Yup, those little things move, my cuz jus got a regular WRX, non sti, with cat back and intake adn thats it, he killed my friends 02 trans am with 4:11 out back...he killed a sti one nite too, that thingfs eats everything, but no no more since saturday nite we raced my friends chevelle, dumped it at 7 grand and the tranny took a ****.

But yeah, those little ****in thing move.

fly89gta

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Then your boy in the T/A can't drive

stu

The STi driver was ignoring you and the LS1 race must have been at 14,000 ft above sea level. Also, your friend sucks for breaking the tranny already.

HorseflyDF

A turbo 240sx eats up stock mustangs and camaros and even corvettes.

IF you get a twin turbo v8 then take on a wrx.
other wise you will get smoked and eat exhaust.

freestylzz

It would most likely do the job, but you don't need a "twin-turbo" V8 to take a WRX

HorseflyDF

I would just estimate that to really smoke a wrx
a twin turbo v8 would do the trick and I do mean smoked!

ShiftyCapone

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If by smoke you mean running 9's vs 13's than ye you are correct. STI's are very fast and are quicker than any stock 3rd gen V8, however it doesn't take much to beat one. We are not talking about a car that runs 11's here.

Your statement on the 240sx is pretty vague. There are stock mustangs that run 17's and stock mustangs that run 12's. Same with f-bodies. I would say that they have no problem beating the slow half of the equation but not all of them stock for stock. There are almost an endless amount of power, engine, drivetrain, and ET variations for both of the pony cars over the last 20 years. My cavalier has no problem with mustangs either. Only the ones with the banger though

fly89gta

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You're an idiot...'nuff said.


The turbo 240's weren't ****. In stock trim they wouldn't touch a 'vette.

...and a WRX is a low 14 high 13 second car in bone stock factory trim. Face it...your buddy with the Trans Am can't drive worth ****....he's faster out of the box than a WRX AND he has 4.11(and I assume more mods since most people don't just do gears).

Chrome

You are obviously a Tard.

You are comparing a Modified vs Stock vehicle...

240sx Stock - 155hp DOHC I4

My buddies Iron Duke would probably give it a run for its money...

fly89gta

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Iron Duke baby

HorseflyDF

I own both 89 celca gts and the 86 camaro 350 small block
I can tell theres not much difference in speed also
the camaro is like a boat riode compared to 240sx or the celica.

its like night and day

subject matter was sti which is turbo charged 4banger
240sx turbo can beat the mustangs and camaros
just like STI that was posted .

stu

240 sx can beat those cars, heavily modded. Please shut up now. You're making me look bad.

HorseflyDF

you posted a turbo charged car beat your car.
you started it and the car is a 4banger just like 240sx
with a turbo

ShiftyCapone

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Chances are the 350 in your car is a junk smogger. That is how 99% of all 350 swaps end up in these cars. It is of no fault of yours but you have an old, smogger 180hp hunk of truck/van metal in there. You also have a car that more than likely has worn out shocks, springs, bushings, ect ect which make it float and feel like a boat. You are only comparing to what your car lacks or was plagued with from the previous owner. A few maintenance parts combined with some performance suspension and engine parts will make your 240 seem slow. Just because it is a camaro or mustang doesn't mean it runs a certian time. As I said before, there are millions of these cars with different performance options combined with who knows what parts that people swap onto them. Your car is an example of this. Your car has one of hundreds of 350 combos that were created swaped into it. That doesn't mean that they are all like that. Are you sure it is even a 350? Chances are it is a 305.

fly89gta

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You're still an idiot. You must have some clapped out, smogged up, running on 5 cylinders 350 then

and I'll say it again...your boy in the T/A can't drive.

HorseflyDF

My neighbor looked at it
and said its a 350 engine said should run high 14s
or maybe low 15s.
He said needs to be tuned up. Hasnt been on the road for
around a year.
The body is very solid no rust under either
and its straight looks like a race car.

I tried to find numbers on the block but I cant find any.
IT also has edlebrock manifold and holley 4bbl 2160 series vacumn secondaries
accel distributor vacuum advance.

I advanced the timing to 8 it was set around 4-5
I cleaned up the plugs the choke wasnt working right

It has much better torque now.
I think the car is to heavy so I removed the a/c and smog
and jack tire and the back seat etc..next step is to get
lighter pulleys driveshaft and rims..

ShiftyCapone

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Lets go easy on the name calling guys. Lets have some respect for the rules and others.

Check the casting numbers to varify that you have a 350. How could your neighbor tell? No one can tell just by viewing the exterior of the motor. All small blocks look the same in that raguard. A 305 looks indetical to a 350. There should be a casting number right behind the driver side head on the top rear of the block. Also, pull a valve cover to find out the casting number for the heads. Not all 350's should run 14's or low 15's. Some 350's came with only 150hp. It just depends what the previous owner swaped it from. That is unless it is a 305.

fly89gta

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What Shifty said, well aside from the name calling thing

HorseflyDF

ok so the number should be around where the oil pressure
sender is right?

Ill try to get that number
I dont think its 150 hp
I can spin the tires easy if I hold the brake

ShiftyCapone

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For your sake I hope it is not either. It may only have 150hp but it will most likely have 250lb ft of tq at the very least. That alone is enough to make mince meat out of a set of tires . Even a 170hp LO3 can burn off some serious tread. Try to get the head casting number as well.

There should be a stamping that says 5.7 or 5.0 right on top of the block behind the drive side head. It is pretty hard to see so I hope you have a good flashlight and a nimble back.

HorseflyDF

I tried to find numbers before on the block.
Theres very little clearance from the firewall
to the engine.

Ill try again next few days right now
its snowing alot !

TRAXION

Most people here don't have a clue. In all honesty, you really CAN'T have a clue unless you've owned BOTH a modified thirdgen and a modified STi. Guess What? That's me. My STi has a full turboback exhaust and an upgraded ECU. About 4 hours of work. Engine is now rated at 360hp and 390lb-ft of torque. This car is just as fast as my old thirdgen when it was sporting Airflow Research 190 heads, CC 218/224 Xtreme Cam, 1.6 rockers, SLP headers, Flowmaster Force II catback, 3.73s, and a fully upgraded TPI setup (AS&M SS-LTRs, TPIS Big Mouth Base, 52mm TB, and ported plenum). Get a grip guys. Not all r1c3burners are slow POSs. With the above LTR configuration the IROC was putting down 108mph in the 1/4. The STi in its current form will do about 106mph in this form (but it is about 300lbs lighter) ... and I have a LOT less money in mods and I've spent A LOT less time modifying it .... and it is a safer car with incredible brakes and an AWD mechanism that allows me to go have fun in the snow. Those who can't recognize and appreciate the differences aren't real car enthusiasts. You don't have to like it ... but any enthusiast who enjoys cars will easily respect it.

Tim

freestylzz

LMAO....couldn't have said it better. Most likely the case. It's amazing how much smack he's taking but still comes back cool HAHA.