thirdgenner05

alright got a friend who just got an 04 wrx, all stock and from what Ive heard hes not a great shifter I have an 89 t/a lb9 with pretty much all the free mods, and non engine internal mods, with a rebuilt tranny and a 2200 tq stall who do yall think will win?? thanks

IROCThe5.7L

I think he's got you. If I recall correctly, they run very low 14's stock. But I guess you stand a chance if he can't drive...

PhAnToMs

iTrader: (2)

is it auto or manual cause they are awd and you dont really need to know how to drive to launch them

i think he has you easily i dont think you have a chance even if he cant drive

Crayz9000

You could still put up a fight, the LB9 isn't that bad of an engine. Though you'll likely be a full second or so behind in the quarter mile.

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

Lb9 with stick aint bad but the auto cars got less power

wrx's stock will go lower 14's if driven well. it wont take much to go high 13s tho

but since he cant shift good yet, he might be high 14's. launch makes or breaks it and can be real tricky, rpm dependent

off the line, unless he knows how to launch it, which i doubt since its new, it should be close

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I am pretty sure the WRX has you on this one.

TBI92Camaro

Gotta say the WRX STi car, they are low 14's cars and with a good driver can hit a 13.8-13.9 You have a lsim chance but liek its been said, AWD cars arent hard to launch really, the whole point of AWD, they put down great 60 fts but leto ut a little in the top end...TPI lets out in the top end, falling flat on its face...so yeah gotta say WRX here.

87tpi

iTrader: (5)

The wrx is a mid - low 14 car while the sti version is mid - low 13 car.I got wasted at the track last month by an sti with just exhaust.He ran a 13.1.

MoroteZ28

ah man ur toast i raced a wrx n i have a 350 with exhaust and i was smoked im goin to go with the wrx

freestylzz

Him.



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InsaneIROC

Thats right

Saigon_Bob

iTrader: (2)

let me just say the LO3 vs wrx = me getting pwned.....he ran away from me, nuff said

PimpWillis

iTrader: (1)

If you don't spin and he really can't shift you MIGHT have a chance. My buddy has a 02 WRX with nothing but a body kit and I think its the best race I could have. I've raced him a few times and everytime i pull (not much i tell ya but i pull) So you COULD have a chance just get him off the line.

thirdgenner05

what about from say a 40 roll what do yall think??

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

i think you have a chance from a roll, probly better than from a dig... all depends on his shifts

wrx's run 14.3 to 15.0's all depends on driver

Ray87Z

What exactly do you mean by having most "non engine internal mods,"?? Bolt ons?

If you have a few bolt ons like headers/catback, free mods and a 2200stall you could have a shot at a WRX that doesn't launch at max potential...

thirdgenner05

heres my rundown
electrical:
optima batt.
8 mm accel wires
new cap/ rotor
accel coil
exhaust:
1 3/4 headers
3inch y to a 3 inch cutout
or
2.5in catback to borla muffler
intake:
custom ram air
ported manifold
siamesed runners
ported plenum
52mm tb
airfoil
fuel:
24lb injectors
holley afpr
free mods:
gutted cat
tb bypass
3.23 gears on a posi
about to swap trannys for a 2200-2500 stall

blacksheep-1

They aren't that tough: car #32
http://www.sunridersautocross.com/sr...ultsByTime.pdf

stu

What does auto cross have to do with drag racing?

berly83

Even if he beats you now his transmission will blow up in like 2 years just like every other wrx so just wait 2 years and then race him.

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

thats kind of a ignorant statement to make... if not abused the tranny will hold up fine but just like any tranny, if its beat on, it will break

lots of things break on cars...doesnt mean that a wrx will have to break in 2 years, all depends on how its driven

auto Lb9s got the weaker cam so they are slower than the manual cars.

with your mods tho, it will be a good race as long as the car is running in great condition..

you should be mid 14's or so, thats WRX terriotory

nick418

I agree with this statement. my friend bought a 2004 WRX, by 900 miles it had tranny leaks and oil leaks everywhere!!!!!!!! And hes a pretty good shifter

stu

Isn't this the new driver who just trashed his car immediately?

Mcdamit

i ran one once, i took him, i got him on the launch (by a nose, feathering the clutch), got him till sixty he walked me. then as the speed went up i passed him. but that was a high speed race and I had a death wish. You will lose with the auto and the peanut cam, cause he was kicking my *** most of the way.

Lo-tec

I think it's been three months, did you race him or what?

thirdgenner05

sorry I forgot to post back....obviously he cant drive b/c with a failed o2 sensor I walked off on him like nothin. I really wanna take mine back to the track to see waht it runs now because that same day I had a 04 mustang gt that beat me in third gear but I had him up to sixty or so. Remember the failed o2 sensor too which is now fixed and the 04 is supposed to run a 13.7? I think??

TPI

I raced a 04 WRX (non STi) about a month ago,
I posted on "who would win"
(everyone leaned on the WRx)

I took him w/ a TPI headed L98.
but this is a lb9 so..

the race was rather close .. he kept with
me at the line, then I pulled about 3/4 of a car in 2nd
around 3200-3500rpm if I remember correctly..
and he never really caught up after that

your toast, that was a rather stock wrx
(only exhaust and a CAI.)

... against a mild modded l98

you got him!??

thirdgenner05

yeah we hit it at about a 40 roll and his was BONE stock so yeah It definitely put a smile on my face for the day. Remember he couldnt drive that well either...

TPI

raced from a roll huh ..

that took away his launch capability, and yours as well.
Im surprised you beat him from a roll even if hes a
"new" or learning motorist.

thirdgenner05

hey now wrx with a prof. driver runs a 14.4 with a bad kid probably around a 14.8 and Ive even seen some run 15s so with an lb9 that has a def. capability of running a high 14 it is definitely possible.

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

yeah, wrx's only go to about 14.3 to 14.4.... that seems to be about the best i have seen and i am on a WRX forum so i would know... now i heard a 13.9 out of one but dont expect that from most people and that tranny doesnt like that too much

just cuz its AWD doesnt mean its easy to launch... in fact its abit tricky and alot of experience gets the best launches. new drivers will have to take some time getting it down right. lots of guys are not very consistant with it and their times show it.

TPI

were not talking 1/4mile ETs anymore,
you raced from a roll, meaning all those
numbers would be inaccurate.
(for this scenario)

all I was saying is you raced WRX from a 40mph
roll with a TPI headed LB9 with a 700r4 (right?)
rear-end gear ratio?? that coulda helped ya

Ive been playing with TPI Vettes and F-bods
for awhile now, and I had a LB9 a year or 2 back..
I think we all know what our tuned port LB9 305s
can do from a roll at 40mph+ ...
(even more sickening on a freeway doing 75mph)

the only reason TPI engines even get good times is
the 60footers, rear-end and proper suspension mods
on the car, torque has alot to do with your start..
afterthat, the need for up-top HP is far greater.

you eliminated your engines strong point by
racing him from a 40mph roll ..
hence, why I was surprised

a LB9 is a high 14 second car if driven correct..
I agree.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Count your blessings.

Mcdamit

he is right they do kinda suck on the high end, hey hey much power would be lost if it wasn't a batch fire system? Ie if the injectors didn't fire every time the pistons go tdc? But rather a sequential, it would just be changing to a multiport ecm and rewiring the injectors and what ever doesn't use the same style connectors. correct?

TRAXION

My buddy has a 2003 WRX. The tranny is in perfect shape. Yes, the WRX tranny is very weak. However, don't assume that they will just break. It depends also on how you drive that 5 speed. He has added 35% more horsepower TO THE WHEELS and it is holding up fine. But, then again, he isn't a stupid driver either.

Tim

TPI

what??

you dont think a TPI 305 can hit 14s??
well .. they are more than capable of
high 13s when modded.

DuronClocker

iTrader: (1)

We'll see how mine does tomorrow at the track. One of our buddies with a basically stock '02ish WRX should be there.

I've hung with one before on the road, he was in front of me in the lane (2-lane road) and I stayed right on him. I was figuring around a 14.7 or so then. Hopefully lower 14s now.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Where did I ever say that?

I was running 13.8's all day long in my L98

tpivette89

actually, i have on video, my old stock motored L98 Vette beating a nitroused LB9 Trans Am and a near stock 94 Formula from a 60 - 110mph punch. my Vette put about 3 cars on the Formula and about a car and a half on the 3rdgen. the view is from the Formula (the car at the back of the pack), so you can definately see my white Vette pulling on both cars. it was pretty cool

i realize this is not the norm, and my TPI intake did have some light siamesing done to it... however, TPI owned from a roll that night

Orr89RocZ

iTrader: (20)

TPI isnt bad from a roll, if the right speed...and gearing

for instance....my TPI L98 with 2.77 gears likes to go from a 40mph roll and a 65-75mph roll.... at those speedsl, it runs in 2nd gear from 40mph and in 3rd at 65+mph. its in its power band and pulls nicely

TPI

hey fly89

you said "count your blessings"
I dont know if that was directed to me or not

or the 305 for that matter ..LOL
just the vibe I picked up.

tpivette, thats really cool you owned those guys up-top.
I dont hear those success stories much ..
my car however seems to mope when punching it around
55-75mph. Seems I have new motivation to queeze some
extra top-end ponies outta the L98... hehe

off topic:

I have a huge problem and all you guys combined
probally know everything .. so

I lost my keys for my 79 Chevy Cheyenne
pickup (nice truck) that im using till the T/A gets
buttoned up ..

can locksmiths re-key a older truck like that ????
or is a new ignition my only option ..

the truck is stuck at work

thanks for any suggestion in advance

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Dude my "count your blessings" wasn't even freakin directed towards you.....if it was directed towards you I would've quoted something you said.....

TPI

whoa now

its not a big deal, just a misconception.
no need to get all crazy..

Lo-tec

Some locksmiths can make a set of keys from scratch, no key codes, just whatever special tools they have to do it. For what it would probably cost to have that done, I would get a pre-coded set from an auto parts store. New ign & 2 new door cylinders with keys. Change them out and be done with it. WAG, but probably around $30-$40 plus your labor. There's no need to re-key it, because a locksmith would charge more to re-key your existing locks than buying one of these new coded sets.

Good luck!

F-Bobby

my bet is you are gonna get hosed by the rex. With mine i can walk away from one on the highway, but then again my car isnt stock at all. cept for the transmission. you gotta catch him at the bottom of his gear from a roll so the turbo isnt spooled, or at the very top of a gear so when he shift it loses its spool. if you catch one in their powerband you are all done.

TPI

thanks for advice, I know its in the wrong forum
I just wanted to toss it out there.

the cheapest way is to get a new ignition and slide it in.
locksmiths can do it, but they charge for labor and travel.

its a 1979 truck so, you cant re-key with
the existing ingnition.

keys and lock tumbler were $13.99 at a local checker
and labor is free by me

alot better than $95-125

Mcdamit

i have been told by wrx owners that they die in the high end i dont know how true this is.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, similar to a TPI motor.

Killer low end, just like a TPI motor lol

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

A large part of that is due to the parasitic losses AWD yields at speed.

stu

I wouldn't say that they die in the top end, that's just not where the sweets are.