foney_email

from what I have heard (i.e. read on the internet)...

The only thing that kept stock (new stock) 5.0 stangs from reaching the 12's was suspension. I am trying to find the site that I am quoting, but to no avail. Many of the fox forums I just searched claim I/H/E will get you in the 12's. I am not entirely sure about that.

One was even claiming the superiority of the 5.0 over the LS1. Yeah, they are fast, and some sound really good, but comparing it to an LS1. I know the 4th gens are pigs, but still...

Honestly I have never had to worry about beating a fox with my trans am. Mainly because I never raced the saleen here in town, or the supercharged lx. Primered black no gfx or spoiler, with a 3 inch cowl hood.

It is intimidating when it takes off, sounds like a jet. Would I trade? Nope. Everyone has a mustang. How many have an 82 t/a.

roughskinjrz

exactly.

urbanhunter44

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Holy moly I bet it hauls.

Superior over the LS1? Hardly. Nothing beats cubic inches. That's what really holds the Ford 302 back, imo. It's displacement.

Now the Ford 351, there's a fun motor

codemonk84

on the original topic...seems I have one person who always seems to want to race at stoplights...

It's a little brother! o_O

White Trans Am....4th gen...

My car's a White Trans Am...3rd Gen. I found it kinda funny "young whipper snappers"/old man voice

It's fun...I generally end up with my hood about where his door is and stay there. ^_^ Not bad for a stock engine that's 20+ years old with no mods :P (his was a v8 by the sound), otherwise probably stock? :P dunno, only see him on the streets here and there at a stoplight (so far 3 times...same result every time lol)

Sidewayz28

well **** he has a while til he can drive alone then...he still has to get his liscence and stuff

foney_email

Yes, I seemed to forget what the original topic was.

'round these parts...

Everyone seems to want to race. With my trans am everyone from minivans to pickups to imports, and caddys wants to race.

I really think it has a lot to do with exhaust note. If you have a loud exhaust, they figure you want to run 'em. I have flowmaster with 3 inch mandrel pipe, and it is loud. Not stupid loud, but it sounds really nice. When I pull up next to someone at a stop light , they start looking over, and start to edge up a little, and I know its on. Some of my favorite races were a turbo sunfire (crazy fast in town), a third gen eclipse with a turbo kit, and a 70 nova with a 350. I had many kills, but those were the best.

The sunfire guy was cocky, really really cocky. Talking crap about me and my car, and I didn't even know him. We raced at a stop light, and at about 60 mph or so, suddenly a van decides to pull out from a driveway, and cut infront of us into the oncoming lane. That was a very scary time.

The eclipse guy was following me for a long time. This car is super import styled. The headlights are painted the same metalic flaked red and everything. like 3 hood scoops, fender scoops on all 4 corners, and a big aluminum wing. He had just payed 4k or so for the kit, and I had my car badly in need of a tune. The lifters were rattling the whole way past 3k on the rpms. I figured what the hell, and went for it. I beat him, but not by enough to feel comfortable. He was maybe at my rear bumper, if not at my back tire. It was close. Very fun.

And the nova was just sick. Completely decked out, painted, and had a huge aftermarket rear. Fortunately for me it was a new engine that he hadn't had the time to get all the kinks worked out yet, and still had a smogger carb on it.

That was close too. Which makes it all the more fun.

when I smoke someone by a lot, it isn't quite as exciting. It also kills the fun when I get left behind like I was standing still, which has happened more than I would like to admit.

basically I figure that the exhaust is the key to getting a race. Make it loud and everyone, including cops, figure you are out for no good.

These stories seem dangerous and irresponsible, and they were. Since then, I do not race on the street. I have learned early without any dire consequences. three years ago I wouldn't have said that, but cops are really cracking down, and I have had several close calls just so I could inch away from the next guy. i don't think it is worth it any more.

All I can say is be careful and use your brain. If it doesn't feel right at the time, then DON'T RACE! I is better to chicken out then to kill someone or yourself. Besides, cars and engines are expensive to replace.

-Jay

freestylzz

Hear hear. And never under any circumstances get behind the wheel if you've been drinking. Later

Flash

I agree, anyone who drinks and drives is stupid. If wanna drink that's fine, but don't put someone else at risk because you wanna have a good time. Imagine having to knock on the door of some house and be like hello sir, tonight i had a few to drink and then i drove home and now your little boy is dead cuz I felt like having a good time and was too lazy to do it responsibly.

Sidewayz28

ya.....

mustbeatmopar

wow....this thread gt depressing real quick. but its the truth, had to kick my older bros *** one time cause he wanted to drive drunk.

on a happier note, my favorite kill to date was a cavalier. it had beat my friends plymoth satilite witnha 400 a few weeks back ( the cav has nitros plus engine work) and i saw him on the high way, pulled along side him looked over and then i took off. i let him get to about my back b umper and then i took off again. he couldnt keep up. even though my goal is to beat my friends plymoth, i still enjoyed gettiing some revenge for him.

urbanhunter44

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I killed an LS1 Firehawk on the track a few weeks ago, that's probably my favorite to date. The guy was an idiot too, and paid for special 5" exhaust.

stu

Must have done a diesel swap.

urbanhunter44

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sure ran like a diesel haha. 14.2@99.

parks911

I get challenged by everyone. Mustangs, Camaro's, Hemi's.

I don't take them up on the offer though. Don't need the embaressment of losing or the police after me for winning.

ShiftyCapone

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This is a smart attitude to have. It is better to race at the track where they give you official time slips that can be rubbed into opponent’s faces.

Screamin86

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i havent even gotten my trans am put back together yet and im getting offered races. my best friend just bought a 86 iroc w/ 305tpi auto w/ 2000 miles on new motor that is bone stock and he is already saying that he will stomp my car into the ground and all the pistons arent even in the motor yet. but id like to think that i should have a good chance of surprising him hell i was taking my daily driver honda w/ a spun rod bearing to go get it fixed (drove very slow of corse) and i had some guy in an older integra w/ rims cruse along next to be then gun it real hard to say he had somethng i just pointed and laughed but was sad because even though i was in the bone stock civic dx w/ no muffler i would have still liked to of put him in his place for being cocky

87TPI350KID

That like our cars running vortec heads, Superram and RR and full exhaust. Thats enough for a low 13 high 12 run..

parks911

I'm not into racing. On the street or on the track.

I don't need to prove to anyone what I have or for people to accept me or my car. I have reciepts for everything & I know what it can do.

That it all that matters. Besides, a 11K investment in just engine & drivetrain ~ I have to much money involved to screw around with. Don't need to blow anything gaining approval.

Blu91Z28

What's the point of spending 11K on an engine and drivetrain for a '91 RS if you're not going to enjoy it like it's meant to be enjoyed? I hope it's not investment!

Similar but totally different scenario when you consider the vehicle value. I had a boss who bought a '96 Viper GTS new. The car has less 1000 miles. Leaves his garage maybe twice a year and will unfortunately never be driven as it was intended as long as he owns it. Sad!

parks911

Why pay 30K for a new piece of plastic when I can take the same money & rebuilt the one I currently have paid off, enjoy, & can have it my way?

Why??????


Because I like the feeling of climbing out of the hatchback when I get a urge to lauch that SOB. I also love performance, but don't have a desire to race.


By the way it doesn't sit. Engine has been done & running for about a week. I already have over a 1000 miles on it just cruising around & fine tuning it.

Blu91Z28

To each their own! I've only been Drag Racing for 5 years and I'm 35, but if I'd only known what I was missing. It's not about proving anything to anyone else. I just enjoy the whole track atmosphere and the competitive nature. It's always a good time, win or lose! Of course you'd always like to get the win but it's the losses that make me take those little road trips out to Summit Racing!

firebird45331

as soon as I put my stock 79 350 in my firebird I only had open manifolds a friend and I took it for a quick spin. I pulled up beside a girl in this 4th gen SS. She looked at me and smiled. I told my friend that we were going to get our asses handed to us. Light changed, I took off. I had her up until eh 20ish , she shifted into 2nd, broke her a$$ loose her posi kicked in and she was gone. Pulled up next to her at the next light. She was laughing, I was laughing, we all had fun. I admit I got owned by a girl, but she was hot.

Psycho_91Camaro

Damn you got a badd *** camaro!!! I love it!!! this is my inspiration and motivation!! to get my Camaro running and looking as good as yours!!! damn thats nice!!!

Psycho_91Camaro

Damn you got a badd *** camaro!!! I love it!!! this is my inspiration and motivation!! to get my Camaro running and looking as good as yours!!! damn thats nice!!!

25thmustang

Funny, because I wouldnt trade my mid 12 second Mustang for a 14 second GTA... but plan to for a 13 second Cobra!

I couldnt see spending money on go fast parts, and then not going fast. Granted restraint on the street is smart, but to not go to the track or ever take the car and make some passes on it, you will never know what your $11K did. I for one like to know what my $3K has done, but Im not the norm, as stated before!

Gunny Highway

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I hardly ever get challenged, especially since I got the car done. Most people not matter what they drive: Camaro, Mustang, Vette, muscle car, Honda etc; they just tell me how nice my car looks and give me a thumbs up . . . or sometimes just stare.

80smetalfan

I get a decent amount of challenges in both cars. The Camaro is perpetually clean and nice looking, so it gets challenged, though I only accept if it's a race that seems like it could be close, which most aren't. I had an LS1 WS6 trying to run me last night, but wouldn't do it. No point in it, even if he has an automatic.

My Cutlass gets a lot too, but it's very loud, and that gets people's attention as well. I do most of my street racing with it, as it's a lot less embarrasing than my RS is.

Most r!cers ignore my Cutlass (probably don't know what it is), but they'll flock to the RS because it's recognizeable and clean.

80smetalfan

EDIT: Deleted my contribution to a discussion that's been had a few times too many on the old boards, lol.


This reminds me of an argument between two of my buds at work, and I want to get your guy's opinion on this out of curiousity.

In one corner you have an A4 2.73s LT1 Formula

In the other you have a 92 5spd GT Stang

$1000 into each car, which is faster?

25thmustang

Umm give me any stick shift 5.0 and I bet it goes 12s with bolt ons... Its not the cars its the owners that ruin them!

$1000 and no power adders, slicks, gears, exhaust and I'm willing to bet the 5.0 goes 12s! Not sure if $1000 in an Fbody will go 12s, but it very well could for all I know!

80smetalfan

The $1000 could go towards anything you want.

What are the magic 12 second bolt-ons you speak of, by the way?

25thmustang

Exhaust, 4.10s or better gears, things like pulleys, TB, MAF if need be, some slicks and some key driving will go 12s in good weather at a good track! Been happening since the late 80s early 90s!

lilbowilson

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What gears are you running in your mustang?

89rsragtop

I find I don't get challenged often. When it happens it's mostly by kids in cars with coffee can mufflers. They seem to come up on you in heavy traffic where it would be very stupid to go for it.. They rev at you then take off cutting in and out of traffic like a lunatic. Then wonder why you didn't chase them. I just slow down so I won't be in the wreck they cause.'

25thmustang

3.73s, soon to be 4.10s!

mustbeatmopar

well, to each his own i guess. i think those cars are ugly as sin, but yes they are fast. but there are fast third gens as well. and they have just as much potential. i'll agree with you on one thing though. i dont see any point in building up a fast car, and never running it, on the street or strip. i dont go out looking to drag race on the street, but it happens occasionaly. i have been to the track, and i want to build up my car to perform better.

25thmustang

I agree, I respect all cars and say buy what you like and mod it how you like. Without people buying and modding different life would be boring!

mustbeatmopar

besides, we american car guys got to stick together. my friend was telling me the other day how happy he was because GM was going down the tubes (they have made alot of over statments in earnings and and such) why is that good? just cause you like ford? well, if GM goes down its just one less company to compete with forigen auto makers. plus it means alot of people will lose thier jobs.

80smetalfan

this is the best and most important post on the boards in quite some time!

jimmy_mac

Gears are the holy grail sp? for mustangs. The 302 was a nice motor but nothing spectacular. I can always tell a quick mustang when I'm cruising down the highway because they rarely travel over 50 mph. I don't like the idea of having a car that cruises at 70 mph at over 3000 rpm even with an overdrive. Some do, the each their own.

I do believe changing gears in the fords is much easier that all the set up that you have to do with the GMs. Probably another reason you see so many mustangs with really low geared rear ends.

And back on topic, I haven't had anyone mess with me in probably over a year till a couple of nights ago. A freeking turbo diesel ford truck on the highway lol. Pulls up right next to me and starts jumpin it up and down making all kinds of noise. Sad thing is I've pulled a lot of so called fast cars in the past a lot harder than I did him.

25thmustang

You dont need that much gear, my car has 3.73s and in 5th gear on the highway its at 2500 RPM at 80 mph (what the speedo reads, probably 75-77 actually)! Over 3000 RPM and I would be upwards of 90 maybe even faster! Even with a set of 4.10s I wouldnt be anywhere near 3000 RPM at 70 mph!

Most stock 5.0s will perform best with a 4.10 gear and 26" tire. Even if the car wanted 4.30s it wouldnt be unbarable on the highway!

The reason Mustangs are easy to make fast, the rear ends, trannys and motors will handle the power for 11s and 12s. Bolt ons and suspension and your in the 12s, Heads, cam, and intake on that same car and your in the 11s (on a tire) without much hassle!

I would hate to see GM go under, but I really doubt any major car company goes down any time soon!

firebird45331

And back on topic, I haven't had anyone mess with me in probably over a year till a couple of nights ago. A freeking turbo diesel ford truck on the highway lol. Pulls up right next to me and starts jumpin it up and down making all kinds of noise. Sad thing is I've pulled a lot of so called fast cars in the past a lot harder than I did him. [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't ya just love that? I especially like it when it's summer. You're cruising with your windows down and a jacka$$ like that does that and blows all that black diesel smoke in my car. Veins pop, tempers flare, then it's game on.

jimmy_mac

Yes, I hate driving behind a deisel. The smell makes me nauseous. But at least I knew exactly what his intentions where. There was no mistaking that, lol.

Orr89RocZ

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LT1 only needs a big cam and tune with sticky tires to run 12's . the intake is good till 6500rpms but the cam aint much bigger than a L98 which is only good to 5000-5500 rpms.

so you throw 1000 bucks into the right LT1 car... in form of a cheap 99 dollar take out posi 3.42 gears from a 98+LS1 car taht SLP sells, or ebay it up to find some gears, get some drag radials on the stock rims, cam and valve springs, and a good tune with headers, and i bet it will do 12's. if there is money left over, then throw in a cheap B&M converter for 350 bucks... 3000stall and it def will be 12's

a mack6

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Wow havent been to this section of TGO in awhile and it looks like i missed alot in this topic!!

I'll give you guys an update. Still never got a true challenge, atleast by someone i could even come close to taking..but heres 2 interesting/funny stories nonetheless.

1.It was after school sometime in late september and for some reason i had my moms 03 4runner v8 instead of my camaro. I go to leave and my friend in his 85 Firebird (5 speed/305-most likely lg4) gets behind me. Hes following me on the way home and when it gets to 2 lanes, I'm just chillin waitin for him to come up for the pass, and right when he does he zips past me, gives me this stupid look, and all of a sudden ALL of his papers from school go flying out the t-tops. I laughed my *** off the entire ride home because there he went tryin to be all cool, and he lost all of his homework, notes, worksheets, etc.

2. Just like 2 weeks ago i was leaving school, and i made a left at the light in front of my school. Some girl gets behind me in a bonneville, and behind her is a 79-81 primered camaro with a cowl. I thought nothing of this car (even with its cowl hood) because i knew that if it had a stock engine from that period it was absolute ****, and it wasnt even loud (atleast i couldnt tell if it was from my position). So at the first stretch of two lanes on the ride home, im taking a casual pace of about 55 MPH to pass the slow *** buses, and so is the girl and the camaro guy. After it had already merged back into 1 lane the camaro guy zips into the shoulder and gets right in front of the girl and starts riding my ***. Well i knew he wanted some so i was anticipating a race at the next 2 lane stretch.... Well right before the 2 lane stretch he backs off alittle and stupidly i wait for him to make the first move before i get on it. Well i see him coming up hard and i floor it..I was doing approximately 70-80 right after i floored it and he darted by me like i was standing still. As he passed me i heard his exhaust absolutely SCREAMING and i saw his incredibly wide tires that he had out back. Wow i was wrong about that car. Hahaha. He was out of sight within seconds too. Must have been going well over 100 MPH and accelerating.

Now there wont be any stories from me for awhile because my car is stored for the winter . Im such a loser driving a minivan now!!!

Insaniac198

been getting a lot of SRT-4 challengers lately

Street Lethal

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Well said!

17camaro83

don't feel bad about not getting any attention, sometimes thats a good thing, the only attention I have gotten so far was from the cops when on the way down to texas I was pulled over and searched. For 2 hours and then they let me go like nothing ever happened, they said my car was suspicious because it didn't sound normal. I hated cops before, now I hate them even more, especially when they are bored like those retards were.