Is anyone else finding the Mustangs out there on the street too easy? I used to think that they were a challenge, but lately, I dunno, it just seems that I'm roasting 95% of them too easily. What are you guys finding out there? (I'm talking street cars here).

 

95% of ANY make of car will be easy, since 99% of them aren't modded.

 

troof... it takes some major mods to get a NA mustang mod motor to make good power that a budget 355-383 can.

most of your bolt on gear swapped tuned 99+GT's are mid 13's at best at 100-103mph.

i'm near that with a stock L98 with headers/catback and 2800stall/3.27's

but if those guys spend money on boost.... then look out.. they can make real good power. mod motors love boost and respond well. especially the 4valve NA cobras and mach I's.

5.0 fox's are quick if in good condition and bolt ons with good driver. just ask 25th mustang or nick

i wont go into the 03-04 cobra.. those things can take down 95% of everything out tehre with less than 3000 dollars in work.

 

Im not sure where you live but this time of year the fast cars go into storage and the slower ones (usually the daily drivers) are the ones you run into! I know a lot of Mustang owners (the nature of owning one myself) and for the most part, the guys with the faster cars have put them away and rolling around in their daily driver POSs. The guys with the slower cars usually cant afford the DDs, so have to drive the Mustangs year round!

Now if you live in a nice weather area, then I am not sure what to say, other than it must suck to not have any competition! Just dont judge our Mustangs, by a few slower examples out there!

 

Heh, excuses, excuses...



































j/k

 

Stop racing v6 stangs then.

 

modded 03-04 cobras dont even think about it.. I had one roast my T/A by busleanths.....

 

Most of the guys with Mustangs that I roll around with are running 12's or better. Then again, that's about 10 of us, which is approximately .1% of the guys running around here in Mustangs.

 

Sounds like where I hang out... most of the guys are boosted!

 

lol ya stop racing v6s....wheres HAMILTON by the way? and i guaranteeeeeeeeeeeee you their are plenty stangs that could spank you..daily drivers too

 

Maybe it is just were I live, but there are plenty of stangs around here, v8's too, but they just don't have the cajones to back up thier bravado.

 

most of the mustangs around here are poorly kept and have no more than some exhaust, which aint enough to hang with something fast.

The reason you see alot of older fox bodies that are slower than a pile of dog sh*t is because their owners are kids that bought them as a first car and don't know how to mod/drive it. They spend their money on some flowmasters and put the rest into the body/rims and expect it to haul ***. Sorry kid, you're ever slower now because of your fukin 20s. I rarely see a fox break out of the 14s at sacramento. Very rarely. There are even some built ones up there that won't run faster than a 13.7. It's just my personal opinion that the people buying and modding these cars don't know how to do it correctly, so they make them all look slow.

The later models are generally bought by people with a little more money and tend to be a bit better kept because they're alot newer. However I still havn't seen a 99+ GT run faster than 14.0 at the track either. Seen lots of cobras of all years runnin good times though, Machs too. Seems their owners on average have a little more brains. Not to mention the motors are better.

 

true tho, i havent either unless it was reallly modded.

my friends full bolt on/gears/tuner/exhaust car went 13.7 at 100 spinning tires... should be good for 13.5's. so they are more than capable

 

if you really had a fast car, then you couldnt race it on the street anyway.


want to race a challange? stop using the "street car" excuse and go run whatever is out there.

noone said mustangs were fast. most of them... (saaaay 95% lol) are so slow, they arnt worth racing.


go out and get pulled on by a LS1 fbody.... then go get whomped by a LS1 with boltons... then go get humbled by one thats actually modded.





and THEN, realize that you still have a long ways to go before you can go talk trash... lol. come back on here then, with some good questions and maybe we can help you actually be fast.

id start by ditching thoes edelbrock POS heads for something with a 18* valve angle...

 

every mustang guy i hang out with is in the 6s in the 1/8th....

mostly because the local mustang/ford club is a "show car" kind of club........ so the fast 'stang guys hang out with the fbody club.

 

Huh? I never mentioned LS1's. I'm talking Mustangs here. Where I live, most are SLOW. And I don't mean slow slow, just slow by racing standards. What does an LS1 have to do with my statements/questions?

I never used the 'street car' thing as an excuse. Just stating that most 'street' mustangs that are FAST are rare here.

I've seen plenty of 10sec stangs at the track yanking their front wheels off the ground. Those are NOT the kinds of cars I was wondering about.

And what's wrong with my heads? They've been mildly ported, and flow plenty while maintaining a decent velocity.

**** off.

 

It really is where and who you hang out with. Those 10 second cars hanging the wheels, are sometimes the same cars you see sitting in parking lots talking with friends. I can say, a lot of the guys with really fast cars I hang with rarely race them on the street. Its usually the 12 and 13 second guys that go at it from stoplights, the 10 second guys arent going to risk the car!

The Ls1 talk is true, they are fast cars, we get a lot of modded ones around here (Z06s, Camaros with 700+ rwhp etc...) but like he said, he meant the slow Mustangs!

Its more fun when there is competition, but a lot of the competition stays home or doesnt street race!

 

How about the simple truth that the people with truly fast cars are so assured of their iron that they have nothing to prove to the guy in the next lane trying to rev at them and provoke something.

 

Where do we draw that line? I've been 12.59 on motor with an undisclosed amount of extra power available at the flip of a switch if I so choose to take advantage of it, but I have no problems at all bringing Chesterfield's autobahn to a hault at 4 am if the price is right. The car definitely stays parked until the green comes out, however.

 

mrpopo where are you in seattle???? and thats a good statement u made there..

 

my point is, theres always one faster.. so if you're really fast, and you know it, you wouldnt be comparing to other cars on the street anyway..

i guess it was just a roundabout way of saying what mrpopo573 was getting at..
if you're actually fast, it doesnt matter what the other guy has. you dont even waste your time thinking about it.....

 

Again, absolutely nothing to do with my post.

 

um, i know here the fast guys are done for the winter....like me

no seriously, you wont urn into the really quick cars all the time...Hell 95% of the f-bodies Ive urn into Ive whored like a 2 dollar hooker.....but I KNOW there's fast ones out there...hell, theres one sitting right beside my stang in the garage

 

Hi man, I'm on the Olympia Peninsula at Port Townsend, WA.
My family runs a muscle car and harley lot here, and...once January comes around I'll be in Olympia for College.

Where in Seattle are you?

Oh, and I also belong to cascadecrew the local thirdgen website for our state.

 

it has everything to do with your post. Were both implying that the main reason why you feel 95% sure that mustangs are slow is because a certain percentage will never race you, those that are too fast to even care about an ego, so hence the 5% remaining that WOULD change your idea of how slow mustangs are won't even bother racing you.

 

you're sharp.... and you have a very nice way of wording things.. lol

 

hows this for simple?







a more extended answer to that would be a suggestion of another car to race, one thats not so fast that it cant(or wont) be raced on the street, but is fast enough to give you a race or atleast a goal to shoot for...
now with that mindset, go re-read my first post in this thread.

 

oh, and as far as the heads comment... ive seen the light... and its at less then a 23* valve angle. lol

in otherwords, i hate the heads on 99% of the cars here.
the heads make or break the motor, and that 23* angle is one of many things thats going to leave most of the SBCs behind as the newer motors take over.

 

Well thank you very much man. Journalism Major, or, hopefully.

Your post is the one that got me going on that one.

 

You realize im sure that heads with a lesser valve angle than 23* are going to cost much more than most of the people here have to spend on them right? There are alot of castings for gen 1s that are just fine, and make excellent heads for a street car. There is alot more to a setup than the angle of the valves.

Although I will admit there are alot better choices for the cash than edelbrock RPMs.

 

popo im 10 min away from downtown seattle. im actually like walking distance to the UW.

 

My question was neither:

"What should I race for a challenge?"
or
"Why aren't the mustangs faster than they should be?"
or
"Where are all the fast mustangs hanging out?"
or
"Have all the quick mustangs been put away for the winter?"

It WAS:
"Is anyone else not finding the mustangs much of a challenge anymore?"

Hell, even a simple yes or no would suffice.

 

ive raced a 40th anniversary mustang...there not that fast....thats it..

your qoute: "Is anyone else finding the Mustangs out there on the street too easy?"

your fiding sum ****ty ones

 

keep hunting and very soon you'll find one thats gonna blow your doors off!

 

So you're indicating that they used to be a challenge? When? Last week? Maybe it's just local market flucuations due to temperature shock. Maybe people will over react to the cold and do some new things while their cars sit in the garage. Then, in the next fiscal season, you may find that there are now too many "challenges" and the market will be flooded.

 

My guess is your seeing a lot of bolt on older ones, or near stock newer ones! I have seen a lot of slow Mustangs in my area, who I would have handled easily, but I dont street race (much) so I pass them up!

wait till next summer and go out hunting, Im willing to bet you see some faster ones. And if not head out this way, I'll line up 15 of them for you to race!

 

that would be fun!!!!!! i wana come!!!!

 

come down to dallas and pick your favorite color. i hope its black

 

What's pathetic is us L98 guys want to hit 13's, when the same mustang 5.0 owner with the same mods is running high 12's. Can't beat a v8 shoved into a glorified escort.

 

Yea, because we all know the escort came out way before the Mustang







If you'd said glorified Fairmont I'd have smiled and agreed with you...

 

heh, this reminds me...

I was racing a mustang last summer with my stock t-5 and bald tires... he was doing pretty well though we raced about 6 or 7 times at pretty much every light.. he even beat me once or twice (because my t-5 was SENSORED), and the clutch puked on me, but i won't use it as an excuse...

he had three other guys in the car, and asked me "watcha got?" i cackled, and told him... i asked him, and turns out he had pretty much done all the work he possibly could, (asside from swapping his 302) including aluminum heads, and an n20 kit that he said he didn't squirt, but damn.. here i was with my lightly modded 350, and my stock tranny that was toast and bald tires and beating this guy.

Could be the people in the car, as i was alone and cruising.. Or it could have been just my driving, because I was in one of those pissed off at your girlfriend moods. I don't know about you guys, but when i'm angry I drive my car way harder then i usually would.. heh, poor thing.

 

he was talkin about the fox bodys. those foxes share a very striking resemblance to excorts of the same year. I've mistaken them many, many times in my rear view mirror.

 

Yeah, but you also mistook your X key for an S

 

 

I will say this, the Mustang does not look like an escort, and escort looks like a Mustang ! Either way I prefer the styling of it, and its all sibjective and based on opinion anyway!

RedLine, it could have been the 3 people in the car (my car feels a lot slower with more than just me in it) could have been your driving, could have been the wrong parts on his car, who knows. Either way you beat him. And when Im mad at someone (always a girl now that I think about it) I drive the car a lot harder. Not too long ago a "friend" of mine got me extremely worked up, so I went out and did about 30 track passes through 4th on an abondoned road, all powershifting at 5800 RPM. I really felt bad for the car afterwards, but definately feel more confident about street tire launches now !

You can relate that to any car out there. I can say I have personally never raced a fast thirdgen (This is at the track, more or less) and even took one or two out with my Grand Cherokee. I have actually never lost to a Corvette, or even 03+ Cobras (street once, track other times). saw an SRT-4 get beat by my friends 05 GT 4 times in a row, and when they first came out saw one get beat by a Cadillac Seville! There are soo many different cars out there with different mods, drivers, and disavantages going againts them, that its hard to base anything off what you see, other than basing one particular car and driver!

Oh well, you will find a fast one sooner or later!

 

haha oops

 

So does that mean I can refer to 4th gen camaros as "glorified geo storms"? I mean...they kinda look alike

 

I've never once mistaken an Escort for a Mustang, or vise versa, but I have on several occasions mistaken Storms for a Camaro.