draco

Who would win?

1991 Camaro RS
3.1l V6
Flowmaster Exhaust
K&N Air Filter
700r4 automatic

VS

1995 Dodge Stealth (non-turbo, FWD)
3.0l V6
Stock, Stock, Stock!

I mean performance wise I think my car is superior, but I also hear a lot of rumors about FWD cars and straight line acceleration.

Thanks fellas

PHAT89TA

stealths doesn't come in a v8. My friend had a non turbo 3000gt (same as stealth) and he was running low to mid 17's around 85mph

freestylzz

Hold on, I'm still waiting for both of 'em to cross the finish line.......

superGMman

Almost there...

freestylzz

z28z34man

who would win the minivan two lanes over

is the stealth a dohc v6 or a sohc v6

89N10GTA

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keep a hold of that 3.1L v8 it will be worth some money some day.
btw i give the race to the hyundai accent

Zepher

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I guess you would probably tie.

freestylzz

Okay, well I'm going with the 3rd gen on this one guys, only because it probably has the weight advantage.

0uTcast13

a stealth non turbo is fast *** hell and would rape a 305 tbi and a v6 i work on them. my friends gf has a non turbo and my old car which i sold to my friend has the twin turbo rt all wheel drive damn can that car rip out of the hole and get up to 140 mph easy. u have no chance save the gas OK 3.1 is a v6 and so is 3.0

TorqueTilla

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ewwww lol i have a crate 305 tbi and i RAPEEEEEE stealths and my friends 3000gt, your 3.1 has a good chance but a 305 will walk it no problem

z28z34man

i am not scared of the dohc stealths in my v6 camaro but then again that is a striper 3.8 5 speed 4th gen

the dohc 5 speed is a mid 15 second car the sohc auto i can only guess it would run in the low 17s

draco

oh my...

LOL I just realized that I put V8 i know better than that......

WOW

I wasn't down talking the stealth i just wanted to know...

but thanks anyways fellas

yevgenievich

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my stock base stealth is 600 pounds lighter than my 89 bird, so there is no weight advantage. Also i noticed that my stealth will pull up to 140 and little more, i stopped but it felt like i could've pushed it to 150. As far as i know all stock third gens max out at 137. And my stealth is SOHC. I went up to 120 in my bird and it seemed like it wouldn't pull much farther, plus my spedo is only up to 120. I am pretty sure that stock 3.0l SOHC stealth have a chance against early 80's 305 TBI

Zepher

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Are you saying that the 3000GT VR4 is 1100lbs heavier than the GT?
The VR4 gets to 140 quick but goes really slooooooooow to 160.

My friends 3000GT SL was a turd compared to my 96 Camaro V6 5 speed, and my 86 Trans Am LG4 5 speed would just annihilate the 3000GT SL.

where did you get the 137mph figure from?

superGMman

How do all stock third gens max out at like 137 if they came with, let's see, off the top of my head(counting), 9 engines?

Second of all I doubt non VR4's will hit any impressive top speeds. They are heavier than thirdgens. What does your stealth way, 2800, 2900 lbs?? Thats a really light stealth. Was this stealth built by the government? The Dodge B3 Stealth dragster? Ionno man sorry to be a **** but when people have eternity to read your posts you should be a little more careful about the facts that you post.

80smetalfan

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. One pictures Iron Duke cars and TTAs being magically limited to the same top speed.

I mean, shoot. There are magazine articles in the media section of this site that list higher top speeds, not to mention countless stories on here from members pushing L98 cars to 145+. I'd bet a TTA or Firehawk would do 160 without too much difficulty.

0uTcast13

a tt stealth goes to 160 like no other and has room to play when u boost them they are zo6 killers easy with like 10 or 11 psi very fast car

fly89gta

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Fuel pump cutoff/speed limiter
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That just made my head hurt.

..and a non turbo Stealth is NOT fast...it's like watching a turtle run the 400-meter dash.

80smetalfan

If we were talking about 115 mph on 90-92 cars, this might be true.

rik89gta

Their Z06 killers huh?
I don't think You understand how fast a Z06 really is.

yevgenievich

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base stealth is about 3000 pounds, the tt version have extra drive shaft, extra drive axle, turbos, bigger heads(DOCH), trans, and i think that's about it. I am sure i missed something tho. All that weight puts it to about same as the 89 bird with 305. I got 137 from one of the articles on TGO and it refered to 305 tpi car, which as far as i know was one of the best options till 88 or so when they put in a 350. Now, yes when i run the stealth to 140 or so i had more room to play with, when i got the bird up to 120 i had almost no room because the road was about to enter the city. Judging on that stock stealth with 170hp and 200 punds of torque could reach 140, tt with 300 or so of both should have no problem geting to 160-180, but they are heavier. and i think there is 125 or so limit on all tbi cars. which can be deleted(i seen an article here on TGO somewhere). i don't know what is the limit of ron duke but it is not above 137 which is why i stuck with that value. i guess a 350 tpi can push it farther to 145, but stock stealth goes to 145 as well. If you compare base stealth to base v6 hird gen, stealth have a very good chance at it. But stealth was made when fourth gens came out, so against fourth gen v6 base stealth is no match, but the DOHC version might have a shot. I don't know how much power were rare v6 turbo thirdgens puting out but i think it was somewhere near 300 or i would gess so. That would put it close to stealth tt . anyways, i still think that base v6 on stealth is almost as powell as base 305 tbi in 83. Next time i am home i will get somebody to drive the bird, and race it with stealth.
EDIT: short version:i didn't know that 350 tpi could get to 145 but now i do, base stealth can top that figure too. And base stealth have a good shot at any third gen up to base 305 tbi from 83 or so.

yevgenievich

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exactly, the best i ever got out of it was 7.8 0 to 60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpXZngtNHA the first part of the video is accel to 100 shifting at 4500 rpm's. when the true dual was put on it it started to sound like crap when you floor it, and that is why i been saving up for two years to get a third gen. Ans for now the stealth just sits there until i can afford to stick a 350 tpi in it and make a car out of it.
and sorry for double post.

DuronClocker

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You guys saying a stock Stealth is fast are just....hugely mis-informed? I don't really even know the words to use. The base 3.0L SOHC motors were dogs. A 3.1L V6 thirdgen shouldn't have a problem with one I wouldn't think. The DOHC motors on the other hand, would probably have their way with a 3.1 car I imagine. If you think that your 3.0L SOHC car was fast to 140mph...you should stick to driving Civics or something along those lines.

A stock T/T 3si car runs somewhere in the mid 13s in good shape, and would never hit 180mph in stock trim. They'd probably top out somewhere around 160....either way, since when does top speed have to do with how quick a car is in a race? I mean, they are somewhat related, but not really, unless you're going to be racing to 160mph or something. Then I guess it matters..but who does that anyways? And even then, those cars are NOT quick up at those speeds. Pit one against an LS1 on the highway, and there will be buslenghts differences.

EDIT: Oh, and where did you guys get off thinking the T/T AWD models are similar in weight to a thirdgen? Those things are heavy pigs, upwards of 3700-3800lbs. The BASE cars are 3100-3200lbs....which is a bit heavier than a stock V6 thirdgen should be. I think the fastest 3000GT VR-4 is still in the 10s right now? Its that sunset orange car...don't remember the driver's name.

riceater

my governor always cuts me out at 112 how do you get yours bypassed to get to 135?

yevgenievich

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I never said it was fast, in fact i pointed out that it is slow as a turtle and gave a video to prove it. btw when i took her up to 140 i was racing a fourth gen, looked like a 96 firebird or something in that range. Now i am absolutely sure it had a v6 with 300k+ miles that is falling apart because i stayed a car length ahead of him all the way until we had to slow down. Or he wasn't trying and just kept up with me

3700 sounds pretty close to my birds 3600

EDIT:
if it's TBI then there is an article in tech section on the main page, TPI's didn't have limit, at least not that i know of

Zepher

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this is me in a 96 VR4 racing my friend in his 95 Supra TT.

Best I got of out the car was a 13.7@100mph.
I weighed the car at the track with 1/4 tank of gas, no spare or tools, and me out of it and it was 3890lbs.

On the way home from the track I wanted to see how fast the car was so I ran it hard to 165mph. 70-140 was quick, 140-165 took a long time and my friend in the Supra behind me had to keep hitting his brakes so he wouldn't run into me.

Oh, and here is a bone stock 305 going from 70-129mph (I would've gone faster but I was getting off the highway).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZIeHa-LwaE

yevgenievich

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hmm... i don't remember my 305 getting up to speed that fast. Now i have to find empty road which is hard since i moved and try again.
btw was your vr4 moded? and was the supra moded?

EDIT: i still like the looks of 91,92 vr4's and base stealth's

draco

Personally I don't have any problem with the stealth.

I actually encouraged my GF to get one because they are one of those "one off" cars much like the thirdgen camaro/firebird.

As soon as i get my front clip back on, we will run them and I will give you fellas a definite answer.

yevgenievich

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good luck with the race, personally i think it would be a very close race

draco

Yeah besides my extra .1 liter and my experience...

It should be very close.

Stephen

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Bypassing the TBI speed limiter

I developed it, but was too lazy to write it up, so Bradley wrote it, and probably in better detail than I could have anyways.

Zepher

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VR4 was stock with gutted cats.
Supra was an auto and had an RMM Downpipe, HKS Super Dragger exhaust, and T-Bleeder Mod with BCC. 395rwhp.

yevgenievich

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well, no wonder he whooped you

camaro91boy

ok
1. 3000gt is alot differant than a dodge stelth. a stelth is dodge's poor excuse for a 3000gt so stop comparing them.

2. my camaro smoked a stelth turbo and i even hit the brakes to let him catch up. now when i raced a 3000gt i t gave me a run for my money but i still got him when my z-28 shifted to third, then it was gone no chance.

3. every one is getting there v-6 and v-8s mixed up and now im a bit confused but either way a third gen would eat the stelth alive.

and as for the third gens feeling like they can't go faster, thats just the way they are. they do go much faster. my camaro went well over the 145 on the speedo.one of my friends dad is a cop and he let us use his radar gun.

yevgenievich

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</p>the only difference between the stealth and 3kgt is the front bmper and rear bumper and spoiler, everything else is pretty much the same. Altrough i will say that i read an article a while back and i think 3kgt had 5.4 0-60 and stealth had 5.6 0-60. I would guess that the stealth you raced was either r/t or with poor driver because it should've gave you a good run if not won.(the r/t tt).
EDIT: well, i see you said that it was turbo, but was it twin turbo? alot of guys with r/t's put turbos on them so they could compete.

z28z34man

there are the same car they just have a different skin like a fire bird and a camaro are the same car with different skins

draco

Check under the hood sir, The motor has that nice big Mitsubishi stamp right on the intake.

yevgenievich

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in fact every part on my stealth have the mitsu stamp on it
EDIT: i wish the post i made about cooling problems that i have generated so many responses

riceater

thanks

DuronClocker

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Sorry I meant to type 3800-3900... either way, your bird shouldn't be anywhere near that. The only thirdgen that should be close to 3600lbs stock without a driver is a loaded GTA. Most decently optioned TAs come in around 3400-3450, with the Camaros being 100lbs or so lighter usually. That's quite far from 3800+.

And a non-TT/AWD 3si car doesn't have near 600lbs weight advantage on any thirdgen as 3200lbs is right around a stripper V8/5spd model, or a well optioned V6 car..

Bandit4142

If she has a DOHC, manual, you'll lose.

If she has a SOHC, or an automatic, you'll probably win.

draco

bandit she has a sohc auto, no turbo

Bandit4142

Then you should beat it.... pretty bad probably. The SOHC's are quite underpowered, and the autos shift entirely too soft, and completely out of their own power range for any kind of racing situation.

Lucid

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My buddy and i have raced a couple times

My mostly stock TPI 305 with 3" exhaust with the 2.73 gears and a slush box against his 93 Stealth SOHC 5 speed was a pretty good competition. When i added the 3" Borla muffler and a CS144 alternator it was no comp at all. His car i s completely stock though.

Those Stealths are much lighter than the Thirdgen's, i pushed his car when his starter gave out to give him a running start, and i didnt have to push very hard at all. We took the tranny out of my my car and pushed it up a driveway, it took about 3-4 of us to get it going up the driveway. I am 6'2 and can push a car too.

Some good mod's and even a SOHC Stealth could be made to move, even without a turbo.

fly89gta

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The ignorance and misinformation in this thread is classic.

Some of you people need get out more often and race your rust buckets instead of internet racing. Christ....

yevgenievich

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my stealth was able to outrun 300z and people on other post are saying that 300z will kill the guys 305TBI. And here &quot;Lucid&quot; is saying that his friends stealth gave him a good run and he have a 305 TPI. So far there been a lot of facts pointing that stock v6 stealth will even out or outrun a stock v6 camaro.
but because it's auto and stealth's auto as somebody else pointed out are daily drivers, so i guess v6 camaro have a good shot at that stealth

86firebird350

IMO, the stealth would outrun any non-turbo V6 thirdgen. the 3.1 was quick because of its 3.23 gears but runs out of steam real quick even compared to my top end deprived 305 TBI. a SOHC stealth would be a better match for a 305 TBI car but i think the TBI car would win because of the stealths weight and amount of torque the 3rd gen has. a DOHC however would more than likely beat a TBI car and prolly even a TPI car.

draco

Alright fellas, the news you've been waiting for.

Last night, on grand central avenue from the grand central mall entrance to lake view drive. It was a stop light to stop light race at a distance of about 4 city blocks.

She left the line hard in low, I spun a little longer than I expected to. The ground was still wet from the rain earlier and we had to feather the pedals. She stayed a nose in front of me after that until i shifted my car from 2 to drive, she was already in her last gear and i breezed by her. I stayed ahead by about 1 car length clear to the end, and she was very pissed off, haha.

But there you have it, camaro won. I know you all are wondering "what RPM were the shifts at" and "how fast were you going." Honestly I have no clue, I never look below the dash when I am racing, and I'm pretty sure she didn't either.

GG Stealth.

lol

z28z34man

that's awesome good kill