STIFFLER

Ok I have talked to Dan's89IROC and he is in for one from Mike forte in the US and i have heard some people talking about needing a tranny aswell.. and we all know the WC T5's do not hold up once you start making some power.. And I talked to Mike forte on Friday and he quoted me $2165US plus shipping... I know its alot of cash but its kinda like insurance buy once or buy every 2 years if your lucky... So maybe we can get some kind of GP going for the serious guys who have some cash saved up...

Let me know on this thread or pm me..

Dan is talking to Forest and Forest about getting them shipped there so we save some of the brokerage fee's..

IROC_Canuck

why not get t-56, i have seen them sell new for 2200, and that is one more gear, and i hear its just as strong if not stronger

DABE

im up for it...i need to scrap up some funds...

STIFFLER

Ya well everything I have heard about them is not guaranteed.. some guys are running 12's with a T56.. and then some guys blow them up in the 13's...but all the guys I have talked to say you can't brake the tremec's guys are running 10's and one mustang running 8's on them... and I don't do alot of highway mileage for a 6th gear... SO iam sold on the TRemec TKO until someone can give me a guarantee on the T56..

DABE

the t56 has 2 overdrive gears...who needs two??...

IROC_Canuck

i want two, ithat saves gas money, but stiffler. i see what your saing, but if your buying new wont it have a warrenty or somehting/.

STIFFLER

well probally but I am not driving to Burlington, Mass if something breaks.. If I do the tranny this year the 350 will wait again for another year..

Stang Eater

Next time I build up a car thats exactly what I am doing, then there won't be any worries once the motor is done!

D's89IROCZ

Honestly ...where can you find one of these for 2200 New !!!!!!!!?


the cheapest I have seen is a richmond for 2999.99 and that is in US funds


I will not pay that kind of money for a USED one

Time is running out boyzzzzzzzz the cash is on its way to my house .......I'll hold out untill April if others say they are in ....if not screw it ....but we'd be saveing cash

seriuosly ...let me know where I can get that tranny IROC_Canuck .....I like 6 speeds too .....but I can't find one brand new for anything close to what the TKO is worth here in Cananda

George

Tremec T56 at JEGS is $1950 USD - did a search on it a few weeks ago.

What I want to know is - if you have 4:11s or something won't the DS be spinning at one hell of a rate in sixth gear - like maybe you'd need a better DS so it doesn't end inside the car with you.

D's89IROCZ

here are soemthnig s to look at when getting a 6 speed

a used T-56 ..... price out a normal t-56 clutch vs a T-5 " centreforce II "--------> the TKO uses the stock T-5 stlye clutch ( HUGE saveings )

the used T-56 requires
- the bellhouseing
- shifter
- flywheel
- clutch disec
- clutch pressure plate
- sealed master/slave cylinder
- and all associated hardware
from the donar car ..........I seen this all for 2400 used ...not rebuilt


the TKO ......bolts right in .....kit come with new
yolk ..... and you can use the stock T-5 clutch and everythnig!!!!

easySPEEDcamaro

here you want a T56 for 1000 us? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33733

D's89IROCZ

see......that just for the tranny



George ........ I don't think that comes with everything you need ......I also wonder why it is 1000 USD cheaper than a Richmond 6 speed

George

Yeah it's just the tranny but it's new and bolts into the existing T5 set up.

As for the price that's about what they go for - Spohn sell the same one for $2300 - I may have got that JEGs price from an outdtaed link though as I don't see it there now.

6speedIROC

iTrader: (3)

Here's what I'll add:

"...the used T-56 requires
- the bellhouseing (should come with tranny)
- shifter (get a stocker for cheap from one of the TFBM guys $25 or Pro 5.0 for about $300)
- flywheel ($50 used + $50 resurface)..only bolts up to an 86+ crank!
- clutch disec ($50 used..might last first summer, or about $750 new)
- clutch pressure plate (see disk)
- sealed master/slave cylinder ($156 cdn at GM)
- and all associated hardware
from the donar car ..........I seen this all for 2400 used ...not rebuilt ..."

Don't forget about hooking up the mechanical speedo or the new cross member needed, I started with a 4th gen camaro one. If someone needs it I have drawings to add the mechanincal drive (required welding and machining)
You'll also need a 4th gen torque arm mount for the tranny.

Oh ya, the mileage isn't actually that much better from a 700r4 with 3.23 gears, so don't bank on that. It is a LOT quieter on the highway if you have un-corked exhaust...that's a nice bonus.

Not hard to install.

D's89IROCZ

thanx for the real world experience man !!!!!!!\




I want one sooooo bad but ...... Dam I just need somethin to hold up for now ! ...................... Hay anyone want to buy my TKO in about 4-5 years

Hawk92z-TDZ

http://www.spohn.net/index.cfm?fusea...t&productid=16

Makes it a little easier. Best i found for a used T-56 was $2000, included everything but the torque Arm or cross member.

Y do u need there flywheel?? Y wont our's work? My flywheels an oldy that used to be in a 67 vette race car.

D's89IROCZ

I am told ...... that the T-56 clutch setup will not allow us to use our flywheels. Sorry that is all I got ....... I'll get back to ya

Acceld Z

One of the big GM parts houses in the US sells T56's that bolt up to the stock T5 junk.

D's89IROCZ

try and find that link for me .....I was told only the aftermarket 6 speeds would bolt up to the stock " t-5 junk"

:sillylol:


I'll take my junk ( with a centreforce II) to ANY t-56 clutch set up any day ....... by the way they are they same junk ......execpt for some minor details ....it is not a new revolutionary design or anything LMAO

Hawk92z-TDZ

Let me know anything ya's find out. I was gunna do the T-56 swap somewere in the future, glad to know its not that easy before i ran into the head ache's.

Acceld Z

Lol, I didn't mean "junk" as in the T5 stuff is ****, relax. I'm quite familiar with the 2 systems.

GMPP sold that tranny, briefly. It's either Pace, Scoggin Dickey, or one of those other big parts houses. They aren't cheap.

6speedIROC

iTrader: (3)

Are you guys referring to the T56 clutch pressure plate bolting to the T5 flywheel or the T5 clutch working with the T56 trans?

The T56 clutch is very differend from the T5. It's a pull release, the opposite of the T5 and almost every other GM clutch made.
The splines are the same. Its the reverse actuation thats a PITA.

The new 4th gen slave bolts right up to the 3rd gen chassis and T56 bellhousing, just have to shorten the rod from the pedal about 1/2".

Acceld Z

Neil, one of the big parts houses in the US used to sell a T56 that worked with the stock T5 components. Summit used to sell them as well. They cost about $2800US if I recall correctly.

You gonna bring the IROC out to play with the rest of us this summer?

6speedIROC

iTrader: (3)

Oh ya man, I'll be out.

I don't park it where I live, so its a pain sometimes to get out in it for a spin. I barely drove it last year....just long enough to spank a few LS1's

I guess that kit just supplied a different bellhousing. Could most likely mod a skattershield for a T5 to work for cheap. Someone should try that.

D's89IROCZ

Ya Acceled Z I think it was that richmond that you are refering to ......not positive .

anyhow ......don't the t-56's have a shorter input shaft ? ( hense the different bellhouseing ) .....again ......not sure



sorry acceled ....didn't mean to come off that harsh ....I WAS smileing as I read it .

6 speed ...I can't wait to see this car of yours .....I love old school ( our cars ) kicking the new ones but ( LS1)

take'er cool

Acceld Z

Dammit, i'm not dreaming this thing up Now i'm gonna have to find it so I can show it to ya

Hawk92z-TDZ

Any chance of finding out if thats the one that works with my t-5 "junk" I woulds luv to go 6 speed, but want to keep my own flywheel and our cheaper clutch. Not that i am donig it this year, but be nice to know for the future.

D's89IROCZ

ya the Richmond .... keeps the t-5 clutch and flywheel . .... you need a speedo adapter , x member and I am not sure ...but drive shaft as welll .

Acceld Z

I'd take a T56 or TKO any day over a Richmond.

Hawk92z-TDZ

???? y? They have a bad rep?

D's89IROCZ

Ya ...... but I have no experience with them . I hear some old gear heads say the got shifting problems ......but I don't have first hand knowlege of this so .......




so ...back to the whole reason for this post ( I think )

Anyone want a TKO .....I AM definatly getting one ....I figured we could all split shipping costs as well ....who knows maybe get a deal on them as well .

thanx

Acceld Z

The T5, TKO, and T56 are internal rail shifters. That's why they shift as smooth as butteh. The Richmond 6 speed is a "linkage" shifter. It uses rods to actuate each gear. It's also somewhat loud from what I understand. It's more of an old school tranny. I think they're pretty much un-breakable though.

Given the choice, i'd go with the TKO.

D's89IROCZ

OKay , I just talked to Forest & Forest Raceing ....they are out . the only one they want to deal with is the mustang version. Now I gotta get a hold of the Fortes end of the deal . I will try and see if he will give us some sort of deal ....but this will be a " come and pick it up at my house " deal or where ever we decide is closest for all of us . .....I think I should phone UPS and find out the hidden shipping costs . I'll get back to ya


TTFN