Originally posted by Confuzed1
Update: I called them, and nothing but bad news on my part.

I just wanted to confirm what was stated earlier in this post- and yes, the upgrade is for WC only. (88-92)

They won't even take my poor old Borg-Warner in trade.

In short- this kinda sucks for me. Looks like I'll have to pay the full 1950 bucks plus 130 for shipping if I want the tranny and G-Force upgrade, so I'm down to getting a few opinions.

So - If you had an older T-5 like me - would it still be worth it to get this tranny ?? Or should I try the T-56 swap??

Moneywise, I'd still most likely end up spending more on a T56, with the tranny mount, clutch, flywheel etc. that I'd have to change.

At present, it seems like my tranny is on it's way out - and just in time for summer. When I push in the clutch, I get a grinding noise most of the time and no amount of clutch adjustment seems to get rid of it. Good Times !!

Opinions appreciated...

Originally posted by Confuzed1
At present, it seems like my tranny is on it's way out - and just in time for summer. When I push in the clutch, I get a grinding noise most of the time and no amount of clutch adjustment seems to get rid of it. Good Times !!

Opinions appreciated...

Originally posted by Fevre
You can buy a used w/c t-5 for $300-500 and get the kit for $1,000 then buy 'How to rebuild a t-5' from Hanlon Motor Sports for $25 shipped and build your own for far less (and easier) than a T56 swap. I bought the video and it isn't rocket science to rebuild one.

Originally posted by JAYDUBB
Let me get this straight... you only here the grinding when you push the clutch pedal down do the floor? You dont hear it when you let the pedal up from the floor? If this is the case, it sounds like you have a bad Throw-Out bearing. If all is quite while the engine is running in neutral and your foot is NOT on the clutch pedal, then all is O.K.

Now let me ask this, does this noise only happen while you're shifting, or does it happen whenever you push the clutch in?

Now let me ask this, does this noise only happen while you're shifting, or does it happen whenever you push the clutch in?

Originally posted by Tom84L69
No one should want a dog ring trans for the street, they whine like crazy and are hard to shift. I want a synchro one but I have the same problem as confuzed1... my trans is non-WC. And what is the deal with not having a chevy case? That kinda sucks.

I'm sure they are just getting a little busy from this kind of publicity, I want one though.

Originally posted by Scott C
You Guys will be the first to know :lala:

Originally posted by Scott C-2
Hi Guys, it's me! My account was disabled for some reason, so I've registered under a new name...

Anyway, I sent my WC T5 to G-Force and already got it back!! They only had it for about 1 week. I dealt with Bubba through the entire process. He is a good Guy. He returned each of my calls if I didn't catch him live, and he even called me a couple of times to get my approval for additional parts! I needed 3 sliders and he called just to make sure I was aware...That's customer service!

I haven't installed the T5 yet as I'm doing a complete auto-manual swap. I don't expect to have any issues. but if I do, I am confident that G-Force will stand by their product.

BTW, the total cost including return shipping was $1,435.00. I'm quite pleased with the deal so far!!

Originally posted by 89formula#1
Hey scott c-2, did u get the 1st-4th gear set and the hardened mainshaft? also does the kit come with syncros? and is there anyting i should know be4 i send mine out? oh yea how did u send it to them? did u have to build a crate or something?? thanks man

Originally posted by Confuzed1
Glad to hear it Scott C-2. Bubba is the same guy that's been saying he'll return my call!! They must be doing good business, cause so far, they don't need my money!

Guess that goes to show you that two people can deal with the same guy, and get completely different results.

Maybe I scared them when I asked about any warranties....I don't know. Whatever. Bubba was supposed to call Friday, he didn't so I seriously doubt he'll call Monday either.

Happy to hear you are confident they'll stand by their product.

Hello,

I'm sorry it took so long to get back to you but we've been totally
buried with work around here. We made our first 25 T-5 kits and sold
them before they were even finished, so I wanted to get some more on the
shelf before I replied to your email.
Our T-5 kits are avialable in either synchronized or dog-ring
versions and the dog ring kits can be selected in either straight-cut or
helical configurations. If your mostly going to drive it on the street
and the lowest elapsed times are not the primary objective for the car,
then the synchronized kit would be your best choice. The synchronized
kits are only available in helical configurations, for reduced noise.
The dog ring kits are best suited to cars that are primarily used at
the track. They can be driven on the street, but they are a bit
"clunky" when shifted, especially driving through town. I have a
dog-ring kit in my personal car (a 2000 Roush GT with about 550
RWHP-check out the cover of the upcoming MM&FF tech guide) and it's not
bad at all around town if you don't mind a bit of clunking in the gear
change. A had our synchronized kit in the car before I put the dog-ring
kit in and both work excellent, but I opted for the dog-ring kit so
other people could see and feel how they shifted.
The synchronized kit utilizes 9310 high-nickel gear sets, input
shaft, countershaft, and mainshaft gears. The dog-ring kits utilized
the same 9310 parts listed for the syncro kit, plus new dog-ring
sliders, hubs, and bronze shift forks. We've made bronze forks
(aluminum bronze-very tough) that are optional on the synchro kits but
mandatory on the dog-ring kits, mostly because of the increased shock
load of the dog-ring operation.
We also have optional upgraded mainshafts made from either 9310 or 300M,
depending on the application (and how much you want to spend).
Both kits are rated at 600 crankshaft horsepower with the 9310
mainshaft, but this is only an ESTIMATE. It is based on running drag
radials or a small slick (something like a 26 x 10), with a moderate
clutch setup in a vehicle that weighs approx. 3000-3200 lbs. Use your
own judgement to determine if your vehicle will be more or less abusing
to the trans based on what you have for a setup. I can say, however,
that we did have a car in Florida this past weekend with our helical
gear kit running 10.0's and didn't hurt it (with the 300M mainshaft).
They are realistically the best horsepower per dollar purchase that you
will most likely find for anything over 300 horsepower.
All kits are either finished or in process and we should be ready to
ship everything in the next 3 to 4 weeks, but most are available today.
The prices for the synchronized kits are $1,000 using your trans and
$1,600 using a good core that we supply with the kit already installed
(assuming you don't have a T-5 to start with). The price on a dog-ring
kit is $1,550 using your trans and $2,100 using a good core that we
supply. You can also purchase the kits installed using a NEW T-5 for
approxamately $400 more. You can also send us your T-5 and we'll
install the kit for an additional $250 above the price of the kit. All
prices are without a shifter. We also sell Pro 5.0 shifters if you need
to get one (must have aftermarket shifter with stops for the dog-ring
conversion).
If you are a dealer and are looking for a buy in, contact us by
phone with your tax # and we can give the information that you need.
Thank your for your interest in our transmission components.

Michael Long
V.P. G-Force Transmissions/Long Shifters

Originally posted by Scott C-2
I simply called Bubba, spoke with him about their T5, told him I was dead serious about getting it done right, and told him I would ship it to him ASAP. I bought their prototype input shaft as well. That's all they had available in stock so I took it (at a discount). Otherwise, the wait was at least 2 weeks...

If you're straight forward and let them know you are serious about the trans work, then you should have no problems.

Originally posted by Stingraye
Anyone have a spec list of a tremek tko Vs. the g-force tranny as far as what costs and handling capabilities would be between the two? He does raise a good point, but $1000 is $1000 that a lot of us probably don't have, but I would like to see what one can handle against the other.

Originally posted by Stingraye
just to look up specs and prices for myself, how sells the tko's? I'm about to check jegs and summit, but if they don't have them who else does, and maybe for cheaper? thx

Originally posted by 383backinblack
i have a tremec tko in my car, and id rather pay the 2000 bucks for that and bolt it in like 2 hours than take a t5, pay 1000 bucks for a rebuilt kit and spend the time pressing gears and rebuilding the internals, and still have a t5 case.

it took me 2 hours to install the tremec, all i did was bolt the plate to the tranny, bolt the spacers in the car and slide the bitch in there.

no need to modify the shifter hole, no special driveshaft needed the kit comes with a 1350 series yoke for the driveshaft which is way stronger than the stock size yoke.

that doesnt sound like much of a deal to me

Originally posted by Confuzed1
Can't say I feel bad at all for buying the G Force trans so far. Shifts smoothly (synchronized), I also got a Pro-5.0 shifter and what a diff!!

Only took me as long to install as a stock trans would, and no "adapter plate", no shifter hole relocating, no special driveshaft yokes. As for the stock case, If what they say is true about having them installed in several 10 second or better strip cars, and they still hold up, well.....you be the judge.

Plus I got the .59 ratio 5th gear which helps big time on the highway. Instead of pulling 2800 on the road doing 70 MPH, I now pull 1800 RPM's!!

Oh........and it's rated higher in both torque and HP then a Tremec, and cheaper too.

Doesn't sound like much of a deal???

Originally posted by Confuzed1
Quite the response..... I really didn't expect words like "retard" or "nutjob" to appear on a simple discussion board about trannys.

I agree with the use of a 1350 series yoke, vice the weaker one. I'm pretty sure that the stock rear wouldn't hold up either.

But, If you think I am trying to convey that "my trans is better than yours", then you'd be mistaken. There's no "trying to expound greatness" anywhere in my post.

So far as the casing flex goes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, nor a professional racer such as yourself to figure out that if you apply enough torque, either case will flex, and either trans can be destoyed. Besides, it's the torque that kills them, not just "800 plus HP".

If a Tremec can handle it - great. I'm not here to "put down", or brag about "what I got".

But just for the record, I didn't say anything about having to relocate the shifter hole for either trans??

Anyhow, there ARE other options out there for trannys and to boldly state "Doesn't sound like much of a deal to me", is just an opinion and should be treated that way.

I don't feel as strongly about my G Force trans as you do about Tremecs obviously, but people will still come to thier own conclusions.

Originally posted by 383backinblack

the reason im trying to drive the point about the t5 home, is that this argument happens about every 3 months, and its always the same thing.....like i said before im not taking aim at you, im making general statements about opinions on transmissions at large.....there are alot of trannys that are better than my tremec, most are very expensive, some aren't. However, there arent many transmissions that good that dont require alot of work to install in a 3rd gen

if you hang around automotive enthusiasts and racing for very long, you'll understand what i mean about arrogance in relation to what people use.

id also like to be on record as saying that i wish i had a real racing g-force or jerico 5 speed tranny, but i dont wanna shell out 4-6 grand for one

Originally posted by graebz28
What is a tremec case made of opposed to a stock T-5?

Originally posted by Confuzed1
OK - I understand what you're saying, but for a response like the one above, and to add some type of disclaimer that "I'm not taking aim at you" ......well...If ya read it, I certainly felt like I had a target on my back.

I've read numerous times about casing flex on T-5 trannys, but I've personally never brought it up on this board. So please don't catagorize me with people that bring this argument up every few months.

When I contacted G Force about the probs I've read about with T-5 casing flex, they basically told me that it's not the biggest issue these trannys have, and that they are not really any worse than others. He then re-inerated about having these trannys installed on sub 10 second cars, and they are doing fine with it.

Hey - these guys do this for a living.....everyone I spoke with said they were a reputable company, and they say they'd back up thier work, so I got a trans from them.

So I'm not here to debate over the casing issue. Besides, I don't trailer my car to the track and it's street driver 95% of the time anyway.

My only future plans with the car is to build a SBC 400 over the winter that'll hopefully crank out around 400 ft lbs, and hopefully around the same HP. And I knew for sure a purely stock BW T-5 isn't rated for it.

Regardless, I looked at getting either a Tremec or the G Force. The G Force was rated higher in both torque and HP, and I got it a few bucks cheaper. Will it cost me more down the road?? I'm sure the guy that installed the first Tremec in his car asked the same thing. And fact is, this trans is a pretty new thing from G Force, so the jury's still out.

Just try to not sentence me to death without a fair trail!

Originally posted by graebz28
.... and make enough $$$ for a truck and trailor. I know you can try to find a friend with one, but like the quote said, the car is street driven 95% of the time. I would one day like my Z to sit on it's own trailor, but there are too many other priorities in front of that idea right now.