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Old 01-06-2004, 04:10 PM
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87 up V8 Stick owners, Crazy question!!!

I used to work for Aamco and I have done hundreds of GM clutches.
Until I did a LT1 I don't remember ever seeing a GM flywheel for V8 cars or trucks that DID NOT HAVE PRESSURE PLATE DOWELS. I know that LT1's dont have dowels! I know they don't need them because of the special pressure plate and special pressure plate bolts they used!

Now my question is; do 87 and up (1 pc rear main) Camaros and Firebirds with V8's (T-5) have flywheels that didnt use the two or three little pressure plate locating dowels? I just can't remember.

I'm talking ONLY about the T-5 1 piece rear main seal cars. I am NOT curious about the 2 piece rear main ones, I know they had them, I am NOT curious about the V6's either. Just the V8 1 piece rear main (87-up?) cars.
If it turns out that they didnt have dowels and were never meant to have them can someone post a picture of the flywheel? The clutch? Are there even holes for the dowels on the flywheel or clutch? Does anyone have a picture of either this flywheel or clutch?

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I've never seen a GM V8 with clutch dowel pins. Granted I've only been doing this and driving 4-speeds and lately 5-speeds for ..... well let's just say a real long time, but that's alot of clutches I've seen in my day with no dowel pins.

I have a 1-piece flywheel laying around that doesn't have them; along with 2-piece flywheels from every kind of Chevrolet from 69 Chevelle big block cars to various trucks to the ones I use on my 83 car, and none of them have dowel pins either. None of the Z28s or other cars I had back in the 70s had them either.

Pressure plate bolts are special bolts, with a shoulder that acts as a dowel pin, by fitting tight to both the hole in the flywheel and the clutch; the bolt holes in the flywheel have the threads recessed about 1/4" to give room for the shoulder.
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no the t-5 ones (1pc) don't use dowels. I won't say how many others don't either as you only asked about the 1pc w/t-5
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never seen a dowel for the preasure plate on a gm
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ive never seen one on a GM flywheel either
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gee I guess theres a first time for everything, scroll up and look at the aluminum one from fidanza for 1 pc rear main seal gm vehicles
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gee I guess theres a first time for everything, scroll up and look at the aluminum one from fidanza for 1 pc rear main seal gm vehicles
pretty sure we're talkin OEM here....fidanza is anything but
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yeah but they build them to take stock clutches or you they wouldnt work
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maybe, but i dont recall any of my clutches having holes for the dowels either
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ive never seen dowels on a GM one at all...


that doesnt mean the holes for the dowels on the pressure plate arnt there though.....
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the holes are there but, no dowels
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My flywheel for my truck has dowels 1PRMS 88 block. The flywheel came from a 90+ 5 speed. Ive seen some that have them some that dont, most cars dont have them, I know the setup in the firebird 1prm doesent have them the car that I got my components from got it's drivetrain from an 89.
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Car: 1992 B4C 1LE
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Transmission: built 700R4 w/custom converter
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thanks you ssc. your answer has helped me solve the mystery. its truck versus car.
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